2014 - Real World RP (OOC/SIGNUPS/OLD THREAD)

[Imperium Nova]

Come on, will the whole world be a big hole? I mean, Russia would then also become a hole by the British and French nukes, and probably American too.

Guys we are escalating the situation beyond belief. This is not that big of an issue. Lets simply allow Belarus and Lithuania (RP'd by the OP) to fight on their own with an agreement of the EU to step out of the situation if Russia does.

But would that happen, IRL? I mean, would the US allow one of it's NATO members simply fall to a communist regime, not only causing immense prestige damages, but also breaking their treaties, and allowing further spread of Russian influence into the very west-leaning Baltic States. As Belarus attacked without UN mandate, and a NATO country, it is only to imagine that NATO will step in on this.

[Imperium Nova]

Except the Republic of Ireland and the UK are friendly toward each other. Belarus and Lithuania virtually hate each other.

Do you see Iran hopping from one to another nation? declaring wars all over?

There's a differnence between hate and actuall we're going to war hate.

Still, why would Lithuania just attack Belarus, besides a grudge against them?

Also, still the matter at hand is that Belarus said that Lithuania attacked them, no one else did that. Which points to one thing and one thing only, Belarus themselves ordered the attack.

[Limborg]

Guys we are escalating the situation beyond belief. This is not that big of an issue. Lets simply allow Belarus and Lithuania (RP'd by the OP) to fight on their own with an agreement of the EU to step out of the situation if Russia does.

But would that happen, IRL? I mean, would the US allow one of it's NATO members simply fall to a communist regime, not only causing immense prestige damages, but also breaking their treaties, and allowing further spread of Russian influence into the very west-leaning Baltic States. As Belarus attacked without UN mandate, and a NATO country, it is only to imagine that NATO will step in on this.

NO, and the EU wouldn't back down either, and Russia wouldn't either. However in RL Russia basicly commands Belarous and the EU basicly commands Lithuania.

[Columbion]

Guys we are escalating the situation beyond belief. This is not that big of an issue. Lets simply allow Belarus and Lithuania (RP'd by the OP) to fight on their own with an agreement of the EU to step out of the situation if Russia does.

But would that happen, IRL? I mean, would the US allow one of it's NATO members simply fall to a communist regime, not only causing immense prestige damages, but also breaking their treaties, and allowing further spread of Russian influence into the very west-leaning Baltic States. As Belarus attacked without UN mandate, and a NATO country, it is only to imagine that NATO will step in on this.

Belarus isn't a "communist" regime. Its center-left statist.

[Limborg]

Do you see Iran hopping from one to another nation? declaring wars all over?

There's a differnence between hate and actuall we're going to war hate.

Still, why would Lithuania just attack Belarus, besides a grudge against them?

Also, still the matter at hand is that Belarus said that Lithuania attacked them, no one else did that. Which points to one thing and one thing only, Belarus themselves ordered the attack.

I know right... I don't think it makes much sence either...

[Bujahla]

What do you guys want to happen, I'm writing a resolution.

[Empire of Symphonia]

But Colombion declared that action by himself. It is no different than Australia saying that New Zealand will join a union with Australia.

Is it?

As much as I would like for a United Commonwealth of Britannia stretching from Canada to New Zealand, I think the OP would say no.

Not the Eurasian Union thing, but the Lithuanians attacking a school. You can't just say what a NPC does. If that were allowed, I would crush Ireland in an instant.

Except the Republic of Ireland and the UK are friendly toward each other. Belarus and Lithuania virtually hate each other.

1) There are certain Irish who are part of the IRA. You think they wouldn't jump at the chance to assassinate the Queen?
2) From my research, even though Lithuania and Belarus hate each other, there is nothing even close in their historical relations as to what you are attempting. Once again, only the OP can decide on what NPC's act and a player-made crisis involving a NPC falls under that.

You can have your war if the OP decides that it is fair game. But you shouldn't start one without his consent.

[Limborg]

Here is the basic problem. Lithuania would never attack another nation without knowing that its backed by others. This part was skipped.

That also counts for the major naitons, does the US declares war on nations wihtout seeking allies first? ofcourse not.. Its just the usuall buisness to consult your allies first..

This all got into such mess becouse the part of Lithuania seeking support was skipped. On the otherhand, Belarous also skipped that important part.

[Machtergreifung]

You can have your war if the OP decides that it is fair game. But you shouldn't start one without his consent.

I'm the co-op.

He's not getting his war.

[Bujahla]

So what do? Say it never happened?

[Waztaskio]

Alright here is a problem i have with the school bombing and the whole thing about lithuania and Belarus.

Belarus has trade relations with the country of Lithuania, as well as a minority of Lithuanians living in Belarus. And on top of that, Belarus and Lithuania are apart of The Council of the Baltic Sea States:

The Council of the Baltic Sea States (CBSS) was established in 1992 in Copenhagen as an informal regional political forum, which main aim is to promote integration process and to affiliate close contacts between the countries of the region. The members of CBSS are Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Germany, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Russia and European Commission. The observer states are Belarus, France, Italy, Netherlands, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, United States, United Kingdom and Ukraine.

Belarus language is also spoken in Major Lithuanian cities with 1.2% of the population Belarusian:
The official language is Lithuanian. Other languages, such as Russian, Polish, Belarusian and Ukrainian are spoken in the larger cities

So my question comes in at here, why would Lithuania openly go to hostilities with you after being apart of the CBSS and having minorities of both countries in each others borders? Doesn't make to much sense.

[United Kingdom of Kent]

I say we keep it as a event but leave who did it unsure. (I for one thing it is a Belarus conspiracy )

[Imperium Nova]

So what do? Say it never happened?

Perhaps. There is no need to retcon it though, as Belarus could indeed claim this, however seeing how the IC Lithuania has not done anything (since it is controlled by the OP, who has not said such), it is safe to assume that Belarus themselves attacked the school, claiming it was the Lithuanians.

I believe Russia should be very worried about this question, as Russia can not risk stepping in on Belarus, therefore making a war between Russia and NATO a matter of time.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Sorry for not posting in the IC. Because of work and stuff I won't be able to post until Wednesday. But I still want to be Colombia and I will still participate in the OCC

[Imperium Nova]

I say we keep it as a event but leave who did it unsure. (I for one thing it is a Belarus conspiracy )

Sure, IC it may be unsure, but OOC it is definite as long as the OP does not say the Lithuanians did it, then it was the Belarus, because they were the ones who stated that Lithuania had did it in the IC.

[United Kingdom of Kent]

I say we keep it as a event but leave who did it unsure. (I for one thing it is a Belarus conspiracy )

Sure, IC it may be unsure, but OOC it is definite as long as the OP does not say the Lithuanians did it, then it was the Belarus, because they were the ones who stated that Lithuania had did it in the IC.

Yep I agree we know who did it OCC, all I'm saying is I don't think we should wipe it as something that never happened but also not let the Belarus player just have it as Lithuania.

[Machtergreifung]

So my question comes in at here, why would Lithuania openly go to hostilities with you after being apart of the CBSS and having minorities of both countries in each others borders? Doesn't make to much sense.

Not much of what Colombion does makes much sense to anyone.

[Columbion]

So what do? Say it never happened?

Perhaps. There is no need to retcon it though, as Belarus could indeed claim this, however seeing how the IC Lithuania has not done anything (since it is controlled by the OP, who has not said such), it is safe to assume that Belarus themselves attacked the school, claiming it was the Lithuanians.

I believe Russia should be very worried about this question, as Russia can not risk stepping in on Belarus, therefore making a war between Russia and NATO a matter of time.

A you and that god modding. Are you and the entire government of Sweden omniscient?

Now onto the matter of god modding, since people are allowed to change their government to pro-west and know things that they shouldn't be able to know. I should be allowed to maintain the original story, Lithuanian artillery fired on the school.

[Bujahla]

How does this work out:

To: United Nations, Security Council, United States of America Date: 24th May 2014 United Nations Security Session [Resolution Number:(0-12367543)] Preamble NOTING the situation between the Belarus-Lithuania border, EXPRESSING CONCERN for the risk of escalation of the situation, FURTHER NOTING the alliances behind both Belarus and Lithuania, FURTHER EXPRESSING CONCERN for the likelihood of war if nothing is done, RECOGNIZING the desire for no nation to go to war, FURTHER RECOGNIZING the recent shelling of a Belarus primary school. Operative Clauses Hereby: 1. CALLS for a ceasefire of both Belarus and Lithuania, assume shots are fired at each other. 2. CONDEMNS any action by either side to escalate the situation. 3. ENDORSES the creation of a council (United Nations Special Committee on Belarus-Lithuanian, UNSCBL) to examine the situation within both nations. 4. REQUESTS that this council is given permission by both the government of Belarus and Lithuania to figure out an appropriate solution to the problem. 5. FURTHER REQUESTS that the council presents its findings to the UN in a timely manner to a special session of the Security Council. 6. SUGGESTS that the Security Council acts on this information in an appropriate manner. 7. EXPRESSES ITS HOPE that the situation does not escalate while the UNSCBL is working. What should we expect if this is enacted? If this proposal is enacted a ceasefire, assuming shots have been fired, will be in place. A special committee will review the situation at the local level and present its findings to the UNSC. Upon these results the UNSC will take action based on this information. Signed, Russian Federation

[Columbion]

So my question comes in at here, why would Lithuania openly go to hostilities with you after being apart of the CBSS and having minorities of both countries in each others borders? Doesn't make to much sense.

Not much of what Colombion does makes much sense to anyone.

Neither does your bossy attitude but you know, I haven't said anything about it.

[Waztaskio]

Now of course, if this is staged by the Belorussians, I will allow it. And through investigations later, we would find out Belarus bombed themselves and they would be in trouble then, so yea.

[Imperium Nova]

Perhaps. There is no need to retcon it though, as Belarus could indeed claim this, however seeing how the IC Lithuania has not done anything (since it is controlled by the OP, who has not said such), it is safe to assume that Belarus themselves attacked the school, claiming it was the Lithuanians.

I believe Russia should be very worried about this question, as Russia can not risk stepping in on Belarus, therefore making a war between Russia and NATO a matter of time.

A you and that god modding. Are you and the entire government of Sweden omniscient?

Now onto the matter of god modding, since people are allowed to change their government to pro-west and know things that they shouldn't be able to know. I should be allowed to maintain the original story, Lithuanian artillery fired on the school.

What is the god-modding? The Swedish government knows only what has been said in the UN and other reports. A school in Belarus has been bombed by artillery. However, as the Swedish government is sure that it is Belarus, they blame it on them.

Also, OOCly, according to you, was it Belarus who fired, or was it Lithuania? Just curious

[Graknopia]

Perhaps. There is no need to retcon it though, as Belarus could indeed claim this, however seeing how the IC Lithuania has not done anything (since it is controlled by the OP, who has not said such), it is safe to assume that Belarus themselves attacked the school, claiming it was the Lithuanians.

I believe Russia should be very worried about this question, as Russia can not risk stepping in on Belarus, therefore making a war between Russia and NATO a matter of time.

A you and that god modding. Are you and the entire government of Sweden omniscient?

Now onto the matter of god modding, since people are allowed to change their government to pro-west and know things that they shouldn't be able to know. I should be allowed to maintain the original story, Lithuanian artillery fired on the school.

They have much more reasonable arguments the Jesus-Venezuela or Suicidal Lithuania

[Imperium Nova]

How does this work out:

(Image) To: United Nations, Security Council, United States of America Date: 24th May 2014 United Nations Security Session [Resolution Number:(0-12367543)] Preamble NOTING the situation between the Belarus-Lithuania border, EXPRESSING CONCERN for the risk of escalation of the situation, FURTHER NOTING the alliances behind both Belarus and Lithuania, FURTHER EXPRESSING CONCERN for the likelihood of war if nothing is done, RECOGNIZING the desire for no nation to go to war, FURTHER RECOGNIZING the recent shelling of a Belarus primary school. Operative Clauses Hereby: 1. CALLS for a ceasefire of both Belarus and Lithuania, assume shots are fired at each other. 2. CONDEMNS any action by either side to escalate the situation. 3. ENDORSES the creation of a council (United Nations Special Committee on Belarus-Lithuanian, UNSCBL) to examine the situation within both nations. 4. REQUESTS that this council is given permission by both the government of Belarus and Lithuania to figure out an appropriate solution to the problem. 5. FURTHER REQUESTS that the council presents its findings to the UN in a timely manner to a special session of the Security Council. 6. SUGGESTS that the Security Council acts on this information in an appropriate manner. 7. EXPRESSES ITS HOPE that the situation does not escalate while the UNSCBL is working. What should we expect if this is enacted? If this proposal is enacted a ceasefire, assuming shots have been fired, will be in place. A special committee will review the situation at the local level and present its findings to the UNSC. Upon these results the UNSC will take action based on this information. Signed, Russian Federation

The Government of the Kingdom of Sweden would approve.

[Graknopia]

And is this "war" approved by the OP? If it is, I need to add stuff to my post