2014 - Real World RP (OOC/SIGNUPS/OLD THREAD)

[Graknopia]

Even it got to bolivia, the Us has a base nearby that probably uses drones for checking the situation in Bolivia

[Hobbesistan]

Do you want a in-depth report on your whole issues and the parts defeated by facts/realism? Sure!

North korea woulden't send anything to Bolivia - North Korea already is supplieing many partisan groups, regardless of political orientation. The socialist being replaced by socialist is entirely possible, as with Stalin/Lenin.

As I've noted it's a pretty drastic jump from equipment and instructors to nuclear weapons, that isn't merited by the circumstances or the relationship between Bolivia/Bolivian Stalin/Lenin.

As I said, thats your opinion, and I don't see myself changing it, so i'll leave this and address the other issues.

Woulden't get through argentine customs - Do I need to link the facts again? Or would you prefer wikipedia?

Well, it either goes through the normal channels at Buenos Aires or Dock Sud and is deteted, or unloads at a grain import-export dock and is detected. They're both pretty entreched facts, care to dispute them?

Sure, I didin't know Argentina had ship-sized scanners capable of detecting uranium on a ship in the channel. It's a rather small freighter (thus it can fit up channels) and would fit perfectly in that kind of enviorment.

[Zeinbrad]

Even it got to bolivia, the Us has a base nearby that probably uses drones for checking the situation in Bolivia

Fuck he's back and Siaos hasn't posted.

Engage operation buy MANPADS from Iran.

[Waztaskio]

Even it got to bolivia, the Us has a base nearby that probably uses drones for checking the situation in Bolivia

And drones know of all the secret institutions of every government to tell the USA. That's why USA knows where all of N.K's camps are, and where there nuclear weapons are. NOT. So that is not true.

[Hobbesistan]

Even it got to bolivia, the Us has a base nearby that probably uses drones for checking the situation in Bolivia

My point still stands - You are debating it objectively from a IC standpoint, Nothing here is saying godmod.


You can say its a stupid plan all you want, but its still possible, and thats the point here.

[The New Lowlands]

Speaking as someone who formerly lived in Argentina, I can't imagine it'd be too hard to introduce any questioning harbour officials to the smuggler's greatest friend, Benjamin Franklin.

[Hobbesistan]

Speaking as someone who formerly lived in Argentina, I can't imagine it'd be too hard to introduce any questioning harbour officials to the smuggler's greatest friend, Benjamin Franklin.

This as well- Argentina is pretty well known for bribable officials.

[Machtergreifung]

As I've noted it's a pretty drastic jump from equipment and instructors to nuclear weapons, that isn't merited by the circumstances or the relationship between Bolivia/Bolivian Stalin/Lenin.

As I said, thats your opinion, and I don't see myself changing it, so i'll leave this and address the other issues.

Woulden't get through argentine customs - Do I need to link the facts again? Or would you prefer wikipedia?

Well, it either goes through the normal channels at Buenos Aires or Dock Sud and is deteted, or unloads at a grain import-export dock and is detected. They're both pretty entreched facts, care to dispute them?

Sure, I didin't know Argentina had ship-sized scanners capable of detecting uranium on a ship in the channel. It's a rather small freighter (thus it can fit up channels) and would fit perfectly in that kind of enviorment.

I'd imagine that rather than scanning the entire ship, the cargo would be scanned as it left the port complex itself? Did you even read those links you posted, or were you under the assumption that those types of scanners operated by scanning entire ships?

Also to my above, you stated the dock is used for grain and such and the titanium would look outta place. There are crates stacked up as high as the back of the truck can carry. And there are twenty trucks and most crates are filled with food and medical supplies. I doubt when the open a few crates, if they even try to...that they won't search every crate there. And ontop of this, I highly doubt anyone would search every crate without a probable cause, as we could Sue the Argentine government over this.

EDIT: And ontop of that, THEY DON'T SEARCH. They screen, so it won't make any sense to do so as they have no equipment to screen for radiation.

In all likelyhood, they'd no neither. They'd impound everything for inspection for being so utterly out of place, then crap themselves when they realize what they're looking at.

The entire plan is a B-grade Hollywood movie.

If it's not perfect, your shipment gets intercepted.

Your plan is far from perfect, so there will be some suprised Argentine dock officals that question why there's a bunch of North Koreans unloading black spray painted trucks and titainium boxes in the middle of the night in a grain import/export dock and end up discovering a nuclear weapon.

I hope I'm highlighting just how absurd the whole plan was to start with.

You obviously haven't even read the entire plan then - Most of the boxes are already in the trucks, for one, for two, very little of the people driving the trucks are of north korean origin - this is purposeful because of that exact reason.

If it gets intercepted, it gets intercepted. I am not saying we have a magical battleship turrent floating on it and its made of depleted uranium. The whole purpose is to avoid it being bullshittingly intercepted, which is why we had intended to keep the cargo discreet.


I honestly think you are the one refusing to look at it objectively, If it gets caught it gets caught, the arguement here is that its not possible due to godmod, which its not godmod. Ambitious yes, catchable yes, godmod, no.

Then we can all agree that the cargo will get caught when it lands in Argentina and put an end to this whole circus of absurdity. Case closed.

Speaking as someone who formerly lived in Argentina, I can't imagine it'd be too hard to introduce any questioning harbour officials to the smuggler's greatest friend, Benjamin Franklin.

For a few kilograms of something special? Sure, anyone's corruptable.

Truckloads? That's stretching it, no?

[Graknopia]

Even it got to bolivia, the Us has a base nearby that probably uses drones for checking the situation in Bolivia

And drones know of all the secret institutions of every government to tell the USA. That's why USA knows where all of N.K's camps are, and where there nuclear weapons are. NOT. So that is not true.

Not NK, bolivia.. if they setup something feasible to use the nuke the US would take notice, especially sinc half of my foreign policy is focused on it

[Forty Twoania]

Nation Name: Kingdom of Spain
Head of State: Juan Carlos I
Head of Government: Mariano Rajoy

Government Form: Constitutional Monarchy
Ideology: Liberal Conservatism
Foreign Policy: Maintaining Economic monopoly in South America. Continuing to keep Morocco off North African enclaves. Annoying Britain over Gibraltar. Very Slowly getting Portugal closer to Uniting with Spain
Civil Freedoms: 9/10
Political Freedoms: 8/10
Economic Freedoms: 7/10

Military Size: 377,800
Military Description: Decently advanced technologically. Army capable of putting up a good defense strategy doesn't really care about involvement in any conflict outside of the Mediterranean. The Navy on the the other hand is much more prepared to go on the Offensive. Spain is one of the only nations with aircraft carriers making it able to sustain an attack anywhere in the Atlantic

Description of Your Nation's Economy: Spain has the thirteenth largest economy by nominal GDP in the world, and fourteenth largest by purchasing power parity. The Spanish economy is the fifth-largest in the European Union, and the fourth-largest in the Eurozone, based on nominal GDP statistics. In 2012, Spain was the eighteenth-largest exporter in the world and the sixteenth-largest importer
Description of Your Nation's Government: Spain is a constitutional monarchy whose government is defined by the Constitution of Spain. This was approved by a general referendum of the people of Spain in 1978. The final interpretation of the Constitution, in the case of dispute, is the business of the Constitutional Court of Spain
There are three main institutions known as the Cortes Generales, which are legally independent:
The general assembly of representatives whose controlling faction forms an executive government and proposes legislative changes
The assembly of senators consider the wider implications and compatibility of proposed legislation
The judicial branch composed of a hierarchy of law courts which ensure that any proposed or imposed executive enforcement complies with Spanish and European law
Small History of your nation from 2013 to April of 2014:
Economy recovered. Not much else
RP Sample: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=268682

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

As I said, thats your opinion, and I don't see myself changing it, so i'll leave this and address the other issues.



Sure, I didin't know Argentina had ship-sized scanners capable of detecting uranium on a ship in the channel. It's a rather small freighter (thus it can fit up channels) and would fit perfectly in that kind of enviorment.

I'd imagine that rather than scanning the entire ship, the cargo would be scanned as it left the port complex itself? Did you even read those links you posted, or were you under the assumption that those types of scanners operated by scanning entire ships?

In all likelyhood, they'd no neither. They'd impound everything for inspection for being so utterly out of place, then crap themselves when they realize what they're looking at.

You obviously haven't even read the entire plan then - Most of the boxes are already in the trucks, for one, for two, very little of the people driving the trucks are of north korean origin - this is purposeful because of that exact reason.

If it gets intercepted, it gets intercepted. I am not saying we have a magical battleship turrent floating on it and its made of depleted uranium. The whole purpose is to avoid it being bullshittingly intercepted, which is why we had intended to keep the cargo discreet.


I honestly think you are the one refusing to look at it objectively, If it gets caught it gets caught, the arguement here is that its not possible due to godmod, which its not godmod. Ambitious yes, catchable yes, godmod, no.

Then we can all agree that the cargo will get caught when it lands in Argentina and put an end to this whole circus of absurdity. Case closed.

Speaking as someone who formerly lived in Argentina, I can't imagine it'd be too hard to introduce any questioning harbour officials to the smuggler's greatest friend, Benjamin Franklin.

For a few kilograms of something special? Sure, anyone's corruptable.

Truckloads? That's stretching it, no?

It is stretching it, but the OP and Co-OP are doing the whole thing so who can say no? That's the unfair part...

[The New Lowlands]

Nation Name: Kingdom of Spain
Head of State: Juan Carlos I
Head of Government: Mariano Rajoy

Government Form: Constitutional Monarchy
Ideology: Liberal Conservatism
Foreign Policy: Maintaining Economic monopoly in South America. Continuing to keep Morocco off North African enclaves. Annoying Britain over Gibraltar. Very Slowly getting Portugal closer to Uniting with Spain
Civil Freedoms: 9/10
Political Freedoms: 8/10
Economic Freedoms: 7/10

Military Size: 377,800
Military Description: Decently advanced technologically. Army capable of putting up a good defense strategy doesn't really care about involvement in any conflict outside of the Mediterranean. The Navy on the the other hand is much more prepared to go on the Offensive. Spain is one of the only nations with aircraft carriers making it able to sustain an attack anywhere in the Atlantic

Description of Your Nation's Economy: Spain has the thirteenth largest economy by nominal GDP in the world, and fourteenth largest by purchasing power parity. The Spanish economy is the fifth-largest in the European Union, and the fourth-largest in the Eurozone, based on nominal GDP statistics. In 2012, Spain was the eighteenth-largest exporter in the world and the sixteenth-largest importer
Description of Your Nation's Government: Spain is a constitutional monarchy whose government is defined by the Constitution of Spain. This was approved by a general referendum of the people of Spain in 1978. The final interpretation of the Constitution, in the case of dispute, is the business of the Constitutional Court of Spain
There are three main institutions known as the Cortes Generales, which are legally independent:
The general assembly of representatives whose controlling faction forms an executive government and proposes legislative changes
The assembly of senators consider the wider implications and compatibility of proposed legislation
The judicial branch composed of a hierarchy of law courts which ensure that any proposed or imposed executive enforcement complies with Spanish and European law
Small History of your nation from 2013 to April of 2014:
Economy recovered. Not much else
RP Sample: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=268682

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[Machtergreifung]

I'd imagine that rather than scanning the entire ship, the cargo would be scanned as it left the port complex itself? Did you even read those links you posted, or were you under the assumption that those types of scanners operated by scanning entire ships?




In all likelyhood, they'd no neither. They'd impound everything for inspection for being so utterly out of place, then crap themselves when they realize what they're looking at.



Then we can all agree that the cargo will get caught when it lands in Argentina and put an end to this whole circus of absurdity. Case closed.



For a few kilograms of something special? Sure, anyone's corruptable.

Truckloads? That's stretching it, no?

It is stretching it, but the OP and Co-OP are doing the whole thing so who can say no? That's the unfair part...

I suppose it's handy that Waz made me a co-op before this all kicked off, elsewise I'd be the lone voice in the desert.

[Hobbesistan]

I'd imagine that rather than scanning the entire ship, the cargo would be scanned as it left the port complex itself? Did you even read those links you posted, or were you under the assumption that those types of scanners operated by scanning entire ships?

Did you not see my entire post on how the port complex we are stopping at does not have those types of scanners?

Then we can all agree that the cargo will get caught when it lands in Argentina and put an end to this whole circus of absurdity. Case closed.

....I'm just going to avoid this.

Speaking as someone who formerly lived in Argentina, I can't imagine it'd be too hard to introduce any questioning harbour officials to the smuggler's greatest friend, Benjamin Franklin.

For a few kilograms of something special? Sure, anyone's corruptable.

Truckloads? That's stretching it, no?

You'd be surprised whats possible with money and south american governmental officials.



You are failing to provide me the essential arguement to make it god mod - Possibility.

The matter is, we can do this in all technicalities, yes, hitches in the plan can make it fail (I honestly hope we have someone play Argentina by the time we arrive in 2 weeks - thatle make it a lot more fun), but from a strict technicaly standpoint, it's not godmod.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Nation Name: Kingdom of Spain
Head of State: Juan Carlos I
Head of Government: Mariano Rajoy

Government Form: Constitutional Monarchy
Ideology: Liberal Conservatism
Foreign Policy: Maintaining Economic monopoly in South America. Continuing to keep Morocco off North African enclaves. Annoying Britain over Gibraltar. Very Slowly getting Portugal closer to Uniting with Spain
Civil Freedoms: 9/10
Political Freedoms: 8/10
Economic Freedoms: 7/10

Military Size: 377,800
Military Description: Decently advanced technologically. Army capable of putting up a good defense strategy doesn't really care about involvement in any conflict outside of the Mediterranean. The Navy on the the other hand is much more prepared to go on the Offensive. Spain is one of the only nations with aircraft carriers making it able to sustain an attack anywhere in the Atlantic

Description of Your Nation's Economy: Spain has the thirteenth largest economy by nominal GDP in the world, and fourteenth largest by purchasing power parity. The Spanish economy is the fifth-largest in the European Union, and the fourth-largest in the Eurozone, based on nominal GDP statistics. In 2012, Spain was the eighteenth-largest exporter in the world and the sixteenth-largest importer
Description of Your Nation's Government: Spain is a constitutional monarchy whose government is defined by the Constitution of Spain. This was approved by a general referendum of the people of Spain in 1978. The final interpretation of the Constitution, in the case of dispute, is the business of the Constitutional Court of Spain
There are three main institutions known as the Cortes Generales, which are legally independent:
The general assembly of representatives whose controlling faction forms an executive government and proposes legislative changes
The assembly of senators consider the wider implications and compatibility of proposed legislation
The judicial branch composed of a hierarchy of law courts which ensure that any proposed or imposed executive enforcement complies with Spanish and European law
Small History of your nation from 2013 to April of 2014:
Economy recovered. Not much else
RP Sample: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=268682

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True. Spain doesn't have a monopoly in South America. Just check South America's exports and Imports, Spain doesn't even make it to second place in most of them

[Waztaskio]

And drones know of all the secret institutions of every government to tell the USA. That's why USA knows where all of N.K's camps are, and where there nuclear weapons are. NOT. So that is not true.

Not NK, bolivia.. if they setup something feasible to use the nuke the US would take notice, especially sinc half of my foreign policy is focused on it

I see your point now, but I want to stress that drones will sometimes not locate secret facilities in government, especially considering Bolivia has Rainforest and Mountains, not that hard to hide a secret facility in that from the air.

[Machtergreifung]

Nation Name: Kingdom of Spain
Head of State: Juan Carlos I
Head of Government: Mariano Rajoy

Government Form: Constitutional Monarchy
Ideology: Liberal Conservatism
Foreign Policy: Maintaining Economic monopoly in South America. Continuing to keep Morocco off North African enclaves. Annoying Britain over Gibraltar. Very Slowly getting Portugal closer to Uniting with Spain
Civil Freedoms: 9/10
Political Freedoms: 8/10
Economic Freedoms: 7/10

Military Size: 377,800
Military Description: Decently advanced technologically. Army capable of putting up a good defense strategy doesn't really care about involvement in any conflict outside of the Mediterranean. The Navy on the the other hand is much more prepared to go on the Offensive. Spain is one of the only nations with aircraft carriers making it able to sustain an attack anywhere in the Atlantic

Description of Your Nation's Economy: Spain has the thirteenth largest economy by nominal GDP in the world, and fourteenth largest by purchasing power parity. The Spanish economy is the fifth-largest in the European Union, and the fourth-largest in the Eurozone, based on nominal GDP statistics. In 2012, Spain was the eighteenth-largest exporter in the world and the sixteenth-largest importer
Description of Your Nation's Government: Spain is a constitutional monarchy whose government is defined by the Constitution of Spain. This was approved by a general referendum of the people of Spain in 1978. The final interpretation of the Constitution, in the case of dispute, is the business of the Constitutional Court of Spain
There are three main institutions known as the Cortes Generales, which are legally independent:
The general assembly of representatives whose controlling faction forms an executive government and proposes legislative changes
The assembly of senators consider the wider implications and compatibility of proposed legislation
The judicial branch composed of a hierarchy of law courts which ensure that any proposed or imposed executive enforcement complies with Spanish and European law
Small History of your nation from 2013 to April of 2014:
Economy recovered. Not much else
RP Sample: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=268682

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It's the "Economy recovered. Not much else" bit that got me.

[Waztaskio]

It is stretching it, but the OP and Co-OP are doing the whole thing so who can say no? That's the unfair part...

I suppose it's handy that Waz made me a co-op before this all kicked off, elsewise I'd be the lone voice in the desert.

Not true, everyone here matters and I listen to all.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

It is stretching it, but the OP and Co-OP are doing the whole thing so who can say no? That's the unfair part...

I suppose it's handy that Waz made me a co-op before this all kicked off, elsewise I'd be the lone voice in the desert.

Oh, you are Co-OP? Cool, then you should pursuit it, because I think that is so unrealistic and not achievable. We can't do anything because we have no power

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I suppose it's handy that Waz made me a co-op before this all kicked off, elsewise I'd be the lone voice in the desert.

Not true, everyone here matters and I listen to all.

Not really. If we say something you can basically say, "Well, I am the OP. Sorry. What I say, goes"

[Hobbesistan]

Not true, everyone here matters and I listen to all.

Not really. If we say something you can basically say, "Well, I am the OP. Sorry. What I say, goes"

Technically, yes, he can, but he's saying he attempts to listen to people, as do I, thus why we took the debate here instead of saying 'we're doing it, gtfo'

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

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It's the "Economy recovered. Not much else" bit that got me.

That too.
But also, Spain doesn't have a monopoly in South America.

[Waztaskio]

I suppose it's handy that Waz made me a co-op before this all kicked off, elsewise I'd be the lone voice in the desert.

Oh, you are Co-OP? Cool, then you should pursuit it, because I think that is so unrealistic and not achievable. We can't do anything because we have no power

Unrealistic and not achievable? So your saying in no way can this not be possible. May I inquire which part you are talking about specifically, or is it the whole thing?

[The New Lowlands]

I'll be frank, Macht, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable. Sure, it wouldn't happen in real life, but that's probably because the circumstances given at the moment in this RP wouldn't arise.

North Korea's nuclear weapons aren't that big, anyhow, especially not for a place like South America.

[Forty Twoania]

Spain has many Multinational corporations that make money off south america. This has been going on since the 80s when Latin American markets began to free up
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/economy/conquest.htm
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1999-07-26/news/9907260238_1_latin-america-spain-and-latin-reconquest