2014 - Real World RP (OOC/SIGNUPS/OLD THREAD)

[Bolovia]

Yeah, but giving the Boli's a nuke is going to mean China cutting off the oil.

But Syria will not

[Hobbesistan]

Yeah, but giving the Boli's a nuke is going to mean China cutting off the oil.

Then do that, we are not telling people to simply drop what they are doing ICly, I find that a realistic reaction.

(Ofcourse, you need to find out they sent us a nuke first )

[The New Lowlands]

Yeah, but giving the Boli's a nuke is going to mean China cutting off the oil.

But Syria will not

Because Syria has an extensive pipeline to North Korea.

[Waztaskio]

Historically, North Korea has assisted a vast number of revolutionary, insurgent and terrorist groups in more than 62 countries. A cumulative total of more than 5,000 foreign personnel have been trained in North Korea, and over 7,000 military advisers, primarily from the Reconnaissance Bureau, have been dispatched to some forty-seven countries. Some of the organisations which received North Korean aid include the Polisario Front, Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna, the Communist Party of Thailand, the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. The Zimbabwean Fifth Brigade received its initial training from KPA instructors. North Korean troops allegedly saw combat during the Libyan-Egyptian War and the Angolan Civil War. Up to 200 KPAF pilots took part in the Vietnam War, scoring several kills against US aircraft Two KPA anti-aircraft artillery regiments were sent to North Vietnam as well.

North Korean instructors trained Hezbollah fighters in guerilla warfare tactics around 2004, prior to the Second Lebanon War.During the Syrian Civil War, Arabic-speaking KPA officers have assisted the Syrian Arab Army in military operations planning and have supervised artillery bombardments in the Aleppo area.

But an Anti-Socialist group? Nope, never. Rethink your decision.

The Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution was a branch in the Iranian army which has no political stance. And, this is the exact case in Bolivia. He hasen't even chosen a political stance, so how could you know he's not socialist either?

[Limborg]

If NK is going to give Bolivia a Nuke then the UN will be against it. Bolivia signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons remember..

[Bolovia]

But Syria will not

Because Syria has an extensive pipeline to North Korea.

No cause Syria will simply ship it or airlift it. Shippings probably better of the two.

[Machtergreifung]

Plus, why would North Korea want to supply someone that just deposed a socialist president? That makes absolutely no sense.

That's one of the issues I've got with the whole thing.

Even suppose you construct a good enough reason, then what?

North Korean sleeper agent implanted in to the Bolivian military in the hope of one day taking power?
Bolivian kidnapped and brainwashed to follow Juche before being returned to Bolivia in the hope of attaining a high rank in the Army?
A Bolivian general blackmailed by the powerfull North Korean Inteligence services?

Granted.

However,

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-1 ... at-4-.html

"Port-security and customs officials say they’re taking all the precautions they can. Every container coming into the country must be scanned for radiation before it leaves the U.S. port."

Right in that very article:

Screening 100 percent of incoming containers would be nearly impossible to implement now, cause huge delays and be less cost-effective than focusing only on suspicious cargo, customs officials say, even as the law’s supporters insist the mandate is the only way to ensure the safety of the shipping system.

My point is, if the biggest spender on defense & homeland security in the WORLD can't radiation scan all incoming cargo, I doubt argentina has any form of organized system to scan incoming cargo for radiation, or even x-rays.

The point I wanted to highlight was that the containers all undergo a basic examination.

Yes, gamma and x-ray detectors are expensive. Too expensive for America, and for Argentina.

Having a customs offical walk past each one at the gate with a Geiger counter is unexpensive. Guess what one is most common?

At this stage you're clutching at strawmen. How is a private Chinese ship carrying odd crate and UN marked trucks unloading at one of the biggest Argentine import and export locations going to get by as being unnoticed? Is nobody going to wonder why UN trucks are on a Chinese ship, or why they're unloading strange cargo in Argentina?

[Hobbesistan]

If NK is going to give Bolivia a Nuke then the UN will be against it. Bolivia signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons remember..

The previous government did, we can declare the signature invalid as it was done by the previous government.


I don't see why you guys are acting like we are going to oppose any of this OOCly - I think we are wholeheartedly aware of the IC consequences.


Ofcourse, none of you ICly know he sent me a nuke yet.

[The New Lowlands]

Because Syria has an extensive pipeline to North Korea.

No cause Syria will simply ship it or airlift it. Shippings probably better of the two.

Into NK's closed/blockaded ports, or over Chinese airspace?

[Waztaskio]

If NK is going to give Bolivia a Nuke then the UN will be against it. Bolivia signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons remember..

And the UN is free to do that, but they will most likely never know NK gave someone a nuke as it is doing so by very covert means.

[Waztaskio]

Plus, why would North Korea want to supply someone that just deposed a socialist president? That makes absolutely no sense.

That's one of the issues I've got with the whole thing.

Even suppose you construct a good enough reason, then what?

North Korean sleeper agent implanted in to the Bolivian military in the hope of one day taking power?
Bolivian kidnapped and brainwashed to follow Juche before being returned to Bolivia in the hope of attaining a high rank in the Army?
A Bolivian general blackmailed by the powerfull North Korean Inteligence services?

Right in that very article:



My point is, if the biggest spender on defense & homeland security in the WORLD can't radiation scan all incoming cargo, I doubt argentina has any form of organized system to scan incoming cargo for radiation, or even x-rays.

The point I wanted to highlight was that the containers all undergo a basic examination.

Yes, gamma and x-ray detectors are expensive. Too expensive for America, and for Argentina.

Having a customs offical walk past each one at the gate with a Geiger counter is unexpensive. Guess what one is most common?

At this stage you're clutching at strawmen. How is a private Chinese ship carrying odd crate and UN marked trucks unloading at one of the biggest Argentine import and export locations going to get by as being unnoticed? Is nobody going to wonder why UN trucks are on a Chinese ship, or why they're unloading strange cargo in Argentina?

How do you know we won't just spray-paint the trucks back to unmarked a few days before we reach Argentina?

[Zeinbrad]

*Is waiting for Siaos*

[Hobbesistan]

Also, heres a recent article for you, Mach.

Serious failings in inspections at Argentina's ports and airports are facilitating the flow of illegal drugs, says the country's inspector general, raising further concerns about the movement of cocaine through the Southern Cone nation.

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs ... omptroller
Now yes, this is relevent to drugs not nukes, but my point is - as you would say, realism.


Can you even provide any reasonable proof Argentina actually scans for radiation on incoming cargo?

[Zeinbrad]

If NK is going to give Bolivia a Nuke then the UN will be against it. Bolivia signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons remember..

And the UN is free to do that, but they will most likely never know NK gave someone a nuke as it is doing so by very covert means.

Does NK seem like it's in the position to give other nation weaponry and nukes?

Unless it wants to get it's shit kicked in.

[Axonic]

Hey Iran, Wouldn't You Speak Persian? Arabic is the Language of the Prophet, Iranian speak Farsi, or Persian.

[Machtergreifung]

Plus, why would North Korea want to supply someone that just deposed a socialist president? That makes absolutely no sense. Waz really needs to rethink that.

Historically, North Korea has assisted a vast number of revolutionary, insurgent and terrorist groups in more than 62 countries. A cumulative total of more than 5,000 foreign personnel have been trained in North Korea, and over 7,000 military advisers, primarily from the Reconnaissance Bureau, have been dispatched to some forty-seven countries. Some of the organisations which received North Korean aid include the Polisario Front, Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna, the Communist Party of Thailand, the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. The Zimbabwean Fifth Brigade received its initial training from KPA instructors. North Korean troops allegedly saw combat during the Libyan-Egyptian War and the Angolan Civil War. Up to 200 KPAF pilots took part in the Vietnam War, scoring several kills against US aircraft Two KPA anti-aircraft artillery regiments were sent to North Vietnam as well.

North Korean instructors trained Hezbollah fighters in guerilla warfare tactics around 2004, prior to the Second Lebanon War.During the Syrian Civil War, Arabic-speaking KPA officers have assisted the Syrian Arab Army in military operations planning and have supervised artillery bombardments in the Aleppo area.

As I've said, small arms, equipment and instructors is not the same level of commitment as nuclear weapons!

But an Anti-Socialist group? Nope, never. Rethink your decision.

The Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution was a branch in the Iranian army which has no political stance. And, this is the exact case in Bolivia. He hasen't even chosen a political stance, so how could you know he's not socialist either?

How could we, I've mentioned the guy more times that Hobb's has!

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I will be posting in the IC thread later on tonight
(I am just informing everyone so that when I post I don't get the news of "Well, you are not that country anymore, sorry...")

[Limborg]

Hey Iran, Wouldn't You Speak Persian? Arabic is the Language of the Prophet, Iranian speak Farsi, or Persian.

Indeed. but Arabic is widely spoken in Iran. and Especially under Muslims.

[Waztaskio]

Historically, North Korea has assisted a vast number of revolutionary, insurgent and terrorist groups in more than 62 countries. A cumulative total of more than 5,000 foreign personnel have been trained in North Korea, and over 7,000 military advisers, primarily from the Reconnaissance Bureau, have been dispatched to some forty-seven countries. Some of the organisations which received North Korean aid include the Polisario Front, Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna, the Communist Party of Thailand, the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. The Zimbabwean Fifth Brigade received its initial training from KPA instructors. North Korean troops allegedly saw combat during the Libyan-Egyptian War and the Angolan Civil War. Up to 200 KPAF pilots took part in the Vietnam War, scoring several kills against US aircraft Two KPA anti-aircraft artillery regiments were sent to North Vietnam as well.

North Korean instructors trained Hezbollah fighters in guerilla warfare tactics around 2004, prior to the Second Lebanon War.During the Syrian Civil War, Arabic-speaking KPA officers have assisted the Syrian Arab Army in military operations planning and have supervised artillery bombardments in the Aleppo area.

As I've said, small arms, equipment and instructors is not the same level of commitment as nuclear weapons!

The Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution was a branch in the Iranian army which has no political stance. And, this is the exact case in Bolivia. He hasen't even chosen a political stance, so how could you know he's not socialist either?

How could we, I've mentioned the guy more times that Hobb's has!

But my point in this is, how can you just assume if a leader is thrown out, he is not of the same political intent? Stalin Deposed Lenin and created his own doctrine of Stalinism rather then follow Leninism. This could be the case here, so I mean you can think what you want, but just don't go judging things without knowing all the facts.

[Limborg]

As I've said, small arms, equipment and instructors is not the same level of commitment as nuclear weapons!



How could we, I've mentioned the guy more times that Hobb's has!

But my point in this is, how can you just assume if a leader is thrown out, he is not of the same political intent? Stalin Deposed Lenin and created his own doctrine of Stalinism rather then follow Leninism. This could be the case here, so I mean you can think what you want, but just don't go judging things without knowing all the facts.

"but just don't go judging things without knowing all the facts." everybody is doing that here

[Machtergreifung]

Also, heres a recent article for you, Mach.

Serious failings in inspections at Argentina's ports and airports are facilitating the flow of illegal drugs, says the country's inspector general, raising further concerns about the movement of cocaine through the Southern Cone nation.

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs ... omptroller
Now yes, this is relevent to drugs not nukes, but my point is - as you would say, realism.

Comparing drugs with nuclear weapons...yeah, sure...

Can you even provide any reasonable proof Argentina actually scans for radiation on incoming cargo?

Yes - http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/154067.pdf

As I've said, small arms, equipment and instructors is not the same level of commitment as nuclear weapons!



How could we, I've mentioned the guy more times that Hobb's has!

But my point in this is, how can you just assume if a leader is thrown out, he is not of the same political intent? Stalin Deposed Lenin and created his own doctrine of Stalinism rather then follow Leninism. This could be the case here, so I mean you can think what you want, but just don't go judging things without knowing all the facts.

What does Stalin or Lenin have to do with any of this?

[Zeinbrad]

But my point in this is, how can you just assume if a leader is thrown out, he is not of the same political intent? Stalin Deposed Lenin and created his own doctrine of Stalinism rather then follow Leninism. This could be the case here, so I mean you can think what you want, but just don't go judging things without knowing all the facts.

"but just don't go judging things without knowing all the facts." everybody is doing that here

While everyone is too busy arguing, the WLF Took over the world.

Just as planned.

[Waztaskio]

But my point in this is, how can you just assume if a leader is thrown out, he is not of the same political intent? Stalin Deposed Lenin and created his own doctrine of Stalinism rather then follow Leninism. This could be the case here, so I mean you can think what you want, but just don't go judging things without knowing all the facts.

"but just don't go judging things without knowing all the facts." everybody is doing that here

But yea, stalin still had it on the basis of communism, but he made his own changes to it. Bolivia could be doing something like that only with socalism.

[Limborg]

"but just don't go judging things without knowing all the facts." everybody is doing that here

But yea, stalin still had it on the basis of communism, but he made his own changes to it. Bolivia could be doing something like that only with socalism.

Indeed, very true.

[Machtergreifung]

"but just don't go judging things without knowing all the facts." everybody is doing that here

But yea, stalin still had it on the basis of communism, but he made his own changes to it. Bolivia could be doing something like that only with socalism.

"Yes, when a general throws out an elected socialist government to establish himself as a dictator, there's a chance he might be a socalist too!"

No, Waz, that's not how it works.