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Imperium Nova
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:55 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:So, quite a big chunk of the population then.

It will not be 1%, that's not necessary.

To clear up the lawlessness that currently is, it would only be for a short period of time though, until crime has settled down.

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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:56 pm

Imperium Nova wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:It will not be 1%, that's not necessary.

To clear up the lawlessness that currently is, it would only be for a short period of time though, until crime has settled down.

I'm not going for it, the current act will remain as it is.
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:56 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:$2,492,431,031.18

$2.5bn

You could check the act, the sums seem pretty close. I gave myself a $13,000 gap between minimum and maximum spending per year.

Changed the formula to spend $96,000 per law enforcer, which totals at $752,163,942.60 a year-- just over your requirement.

Also, the Trends sheet has been updated assuming that the PFA is enacted for January Y2.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:58 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:To clear up the lawlessness that currently is, it would only be for a short period of time though, until crime has settled down.

I'm not going for it, the current act will remain as it is.

Does the Prime Minister accept Victor Salisbury as Minister of the Interior?

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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:00 pm

Imperium Nova wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:I'm not going for it, the current act will remain as it is.

Does the Prime Minister accept Victor Salisbury as Minister of the Interior?

Sure. I will fill the remaining Ministries with NPCs.
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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:00 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:You could check the act, the sums seem pretty close. I gave myself a $13,000 gap between minimum and maximum spending per year.

Changed the formula to spend $96,000 per law enforcer, which totals at $752,163,942.60 a year-- just over your requirement.

Also, the Trends sheet has been updated assuming that the PFA is enacted for January Y2.

You should put the link in the OP.

Also, would the act decrease unemployment?
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:01 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:You could check the act, the sums seem pretty close. I gave myself a $13,000 gap between minimum and maximum spending per year.

Changed the formula to spend $96,000 per law enforcer, which totals at $752,163,942.60 a year-- just over your requirement.

Also, the Trends sheet has been updated assuming that the PFA is enacted for January Y2.

Am I looking at it wrong, or would implementing the PFA lead to less government spending?
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:05 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Changed the formula to spend $96,000 per law enforcer, which totals at $752,163,942.60 a year-- just over your requirement.

Also, the Trends sheet has been updated assuming that the PFA is enacted for January Y2.

Am I looking at it wrong, or would implementing the PFA lead to less government spending?

Not exactly. Government spending is very dynamic: it relies on certain factors and pays for services according to these factors. It was established that the Free and Fair Education Act would pay for the education of all lower income schoolchildren. As you can see in the graphs, the PFA would lower the class repartition of the Lower Income bracket, effectively lowering the cost of the FFEA. The PFA saves about $2bn in spending.

Will put link in OP. Also updated Legislation Template to include new logo.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:06 pm

Arkolon wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Am I looking at it wrong, or would implementing the PFA lead to less government spending?

Not exactly. Government spending is very dynamic: it relies on certain factors and pays for services according to these factors. It was established that the Free and Fair Education Act would pay for the education of all lower income schoolchildren. As you can see in the graphs, the PFA would lower the class repartition of the Lower Income bracket, effectively lowering the cost of the FFEA. The PFA saves about $2bn in spending.

Will put link in OP. Also updated Legislation Template to include new logo.

I see.
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:08 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Not exactly. Government spending is very dynamic: it relies on certain factors and pays for services according to these factors. It was established that the Free and Fair Education Act would pay for the education of all lower income schoolchildren. As you can see in the graphs, the PFA would lower the class repartition of the Lower Income bracket, effectively lowering the cost of the FFEA. The PFA saves about $2bn in spending.

Will put link in OP. Also updated Legislation Template to include new logo.

I see.

Everything in ROW is interlinked. If something happens there's a 90% chance it didn't happen because of what you just changed, but because of what you just changed changed that changed something that changed to change a whole different statistic. Yeah..
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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:08 pm

Question: Do I have to fill out the whole template for the Cabinet, or can I just present a list to the Senate?
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:10 pm

Jamessonia wrote:Question: Do I have to fill out the whole template for the Cabinet, or can I just present a list to the Senate?

I don't think this is my call, but being the OP I'll say that you should do what passed legislation tells you to do. L102 COMA requires you to have some definite ministries I believe.
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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:11 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:Question: Do I have to fill out the whole template for the Cabinet, or can I just present a list to the Senate?

I don't think this is my call, but being the OP I'll say that you should do what passed legislation tells you to do. L102 COMA requires you to have some definite ministries I believe.

I have filled all the positions, I'm just asking if I have to fill out the legislation template.

Jamessonia - Prime Minister
Vairikai Sari - Minister of Health and Welfare
Tiberium Imperium - Minister of Infrastructure and Transport
The Jonathian States - Minister of Defense
Imperium Nova - Minister of the Interior
Conservative NPC/John Brown - Minister of the Exchequer
Conservative NPC/Michael Green - Minister of Energy and Resources
Conservative NPC/Colin Alberts - Minister of Foreign Affairs
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“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.”
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:12 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:I don't think this is my call, but being the OP I'll say that you should do what passed legislation tells you to do. L102 COMA requires you to have some definite ministries I believe.

I have filled all the positions, I'm just asking if I have to fill out the legislation template.

Jamessonia - Prime Minister
Vairikai Sari - Minister of Health and Welfare
Tiberium Imperium - Minister of Infrastructure and Transport
The Jonathian States - Minister of Defense
Imperium Nova - Minister of the Interior
Conservative NPC/John Brown - Minister of the Exchequer
Conservative NPC/Michael Green - Minister of Energy and Resources
Conservative NPC/Colin Alberts - Minister of Foreign Affairs

Oh, right. Yeah, no, you can just make an Official Communiqué through the City Thread.
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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:14 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:I have filled all the positions, I'm just asking if I have to fill out the legislation template.

Jamessonia - Prime Minister
Vairikai Sari - Minister of Health and Welfare
Tiberium Imperium - Minister of Infrastructure and Transport
The Jonathian States - Minister of Defense
Imperium Nova - Minister of the Interior
Conservative NPC/John Brown - Minister of the Exchequer
Conservative NPC/Michael Green - Minister of Energy and Resources
Conservative NPC/Colin Alberts - Minister of Foreign Affairs

Oh, right. Yeah, no, you can just make an Official Communiqué through the City Thread.

Would that have a specific format?
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:21 pm

Also, I would suggest a change to the Police law. As it currently makes it quite hard for the Government to control it, as the CDP controls itself. This is also undemocratic since the police would then not get it's powers from the people and it's elected government. Instead I would say that the Government and Ministry of Interior chopses the commissioner, so that it is then controlled by the governmnent and the people.

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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:23 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Oh, right. Yeah, no, you can just make an Official Communiqué through the City Thread.

Would that have a specific format?

Imagine it like an International Incidents-style communiqué. Coat of Arms at the top, [hr] tags, your name and title, more [hr], the body (this is my minister of foreign affairs etc), more [hr], your name again. Oh, and in a box or preferably the box used in the legislation template because it looks so much better than an orange box.
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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:25 pm

Imperium Nova wrote:Also, I would suggest a change to the Police law. As it currently makes it quite hard for the Government to control it, as the CDP controls itself. This is also undemocratic since the police would then not get it's powers from the people and it's elected government. Instead I would say that the Government and Ministry of Interior chopses the commissioner, so that it is then controlled by the governmnent and the people.

It's controlled by itself, yes. Because that's how it's supposed to work, the police don't answer to the citizens directly.
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“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.”
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:27 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Also, I would suggest a change to the Police law. As it currently makes it quite hard for the Government to control it, as the CDP controls itself. This is also undemocratic since the police would then not get it's powers from the people and it's elected government. Instead I would say that the Government and Ministry of Interior chopses the commissioner, so that it is then controlled by the governmnent and the people.

It's controlled by itself, yes. Because that's how it's supposed to work, the police don't answer to the citizens directly.

No, but that would make it a paramilitary of sorts. The police is a tool of the government, no? And so should be controlled by it.

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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:32 pm

Imperium Nova wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:It's controlled by itself, yes. Because that's how it's supposed to work, the police don't answer to the citizens directly.

No, but that would make it a paramilitary of sorts. The police is a tool of the government, no? And so should be controlled by it.

It is, indirectly. It is under the Ministry of the Interior.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:33 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:No, but that would make it a paramilitary of sorts. The police is a tool of the government, no? And so should be controlled by it.

It is, indirectly. It is under the Ministry of the Interior.

Yes, but how does the ministry control it, if it chooses it's own leader?

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Postby The New World Oceania » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:34 pm

Hey look, a thing.

Image

I based it namely on the actions of the Senators and the official Party views.
Woman-made-woman.
Formerly Not a Bang but a Whimper.
Mario Cerce, Member of the Red - Green Alliance, Fighting for your Fernão!
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:39 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:Hey look, a thing.

(Image)

I based it namely on the actions of the Senators and the official Party views.

Senator Salisbury feels sad... Senator Salisbury can not into compass... :(

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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:40 pm

Imperium Nova wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:It is, indirectly. It is under the Ministry of the Interior.

Yes, but how does the ministry control it, if it chooses it's own leader?

I'll add a clause that says the MoD can impeach.
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“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.”
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- Max Stirner

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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:41 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:Hey look, a thing.

(Image)

I based it namely on the actions of the Senators and the official Party views.

Jonathan is basically Stalin :p
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Economic Left/Right: -6.5
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“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.”
- Mikhail Bakunin


"I shall find enough anyhow who unite with me without swearing allegiance to my flag."
- Max Stirner

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