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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:26 am

The New Lowlands wrote:
Arkolon wrote:That would cost a lot of money. Like, a lot and a lot of money. Like, 17 times more than what Jamessonia proposed.

I think it's a joke.

Damn you and your joke-seeing skills! :p

EDIT: I would however like to apply for the position of Minister of the Interior, and the police rate should be in the ratio of maybe 1/100.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:27 am

The New World Oceania wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:Well, are you the Minister of the Interior? This is the Cabinet so far.

Jamessonia - Prime Minister
Vairikai Sari - Health and Welfare
Tiberium Imperium - Infrastructure and Transport
The Jonathian States - Defense


Does the Cabinet act IC or are their decisions more of an OOC process?

Both.
The MODA was an example for an IC from that part of the cabinet.
The Armed Forces act in the Works would be another one.
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:29 am

Again, Jamessonia could technically fill in his whole cabinet himself. But I'll impose a requirement of at least 3 different OOC senators in a cabinet, as to not have a despot without a proper crown and noble blood.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:30 am

Arkolon wrote:Again, Jamessonia could technically fill in his whole cabinet himself. But I'll impose a requirement of at least 3 different OOC senators in a cabinet, as to not have a despot without a proper crown and noble blood.

:lol:
I assume that should a PM be of noble blood and coincidentally have a crown in his palace,he shall be free to act alone?

EDIT:
The forces of the previous republics do not receive any salaries from Corburn, do they?
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:31 am

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Again, Jamessonia could technically fill in his whole cabinet himself. But I'll impose a requirement of at least 3 different OOC senators in a cabinet, as to not have a despot without a proper crown and noble blood.

:lol:
I assume that should a PM be of noble blood and coincidentally have a crown in his palace,he shall be free to act alone?

If L101 MRIA, or any equivalent, passes then sure.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:32 am

Arkolon wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote: :lol:
I assume that should a PM be of noble blood and coincidentally have a crown in his palace,he shall be free to act alone?

If L101 MRIA, or any equivalent, passes then sure.

Damnit.
Well, back then to the drafting board, and the bribe budgets it is.
The Jonathanian States wrote:The forces of the previous republics do not receive any salaries from Corburn, do they?
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:37 am

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Arkolon wrote:If L101 MRIA, or any equivalent, passes then sure.

Damnit.
Well, back then to the drafting board, and the bribe budgets it is.
The Jonathanian States wrote:The forces of the previous republics do not receive any salaries from Corburn, do they?

They used to, I imagine, from the cities' wallets. Now they've organised themselves into military communes-- small outer-city villages where everything is collectively owned. Like a small militaristic socialist paradise. Or something like that.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:39 am

Arkolon wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Damnit.
Well, back then to the drafting board, and the bribe budgets it is.

They used to, I imagine, from the cities' wallets. Now they've organised themselves into military communes-- small outer-city villages where everything is collectively owned. Like a small militaristic socialist paradise. Or something like that.

The former I knew (or rather, considered obvious). The second..... and they would listen to the government, would they be asked to surrender their weaponry and disperse?
Or rather, are they generally loyal to the new government?
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:41 am

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Arkolon wrote:They used to, I imagine, from the cities' wallets. Now they've organised themselves into military communes-- small outer-city villages where everything is collectively owned. Like a small militaristic socialist paradise. Or something like that.

The former I knew (or rather, considered obvious). The second..... and they would listen to the government, would they be asked to surrender their weaponry and disperse?
Or rather, are they generally loyal to the new government?

Take it as a paramilitary without a leader. They kept their ranks, and the superiors would love a united national army. Each militia is fiercely patriotic.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:43 am

Arkolon wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:The former I knew (or rather, considered obvious). The second..... and they would listen to the government, would they be asked to surrender their weaponry and disperse?
Or rather, are they generally loyal to the new government?

Take it as a paramilitary without a leader. They kept their ranks, and the superiors would love a united national army. Each militia is fiercely patriotic.

Mhm.....
And they would consider temporary dismantlement so it can be reorganized as a centralized military......
a threat? a way to continue after a short pause? something they'd agree to, but not love?
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:46 am

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Take it as a paramilitary without a leader. They kept their ranks, and the superiors would love a united national army. Each militia is fiercely patriotic.

Mhm.....
And they would consider temporary dismantlement so it can be reorganized as a centralized military......
a threat? a way to continue after a short pause? something they'd agree to, but not love?

For the sake of the RP, they'll agree to the MODA, in all cases. As to why they choose this stance could be due to several different IC reasons.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:50 am

Arkolon wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Mhm.....
And they would consider temporary dismantlement so it can be reorganized as a centralized military......
a threat? a way to continue after a short pause? something they'd agree to, but not love?

For the sake of the RP, they'll agree to the MODA, in all cases. As to why they choose this stance could be due to several different IC reasons.

And to following acts, which are currently in works - to reorganize a unified military? Would they accepted them based on the MODA?
Should I give the relevant excerpt of the act,or will you give a general reply?
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Postby The New World Oceania » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:50 am

Arkolon wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Mhm.....
And they would consider temporary dismantlement so it can be reorganized as a centralized military......
a threat? a way to continue after a short pause? something they'd agree to, but not love?

For the sake of the RP, they'll agree to the MODA, in all cases. As to why they choose this stance could be due to several different IC reasons.


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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:51 am

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Arkolon wrote:For the sake of the RP, they'll agree to the MODA, in all cases. As to why they choose this stance could be due to several different IC reasons.

And to following acts, which are currently in works - to reorganize a unified military? Would they accepted them based on the MODA?
Should I give the relevant excerpt of the act,or will you give a general reply?

A unified army is in every private's, lieutenant's and general's vested interests. So, yes.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:53 am

Arkolon wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:And to following acts, which are currently in works - to reorganize a unified military? Would they accepted them based on the MODA?
Should I give the relevant excerpt of the act,or will you give a general reply?

A unified army is in every private's, lieutenant's and general's vested interests. So, yes.

Great.

The New World Oceania wrote:
Arkolon wrote:For the sake of the RP, they'll agree to the MODA, in all cases. As to why they choose this stance could be due to several different IC reasons.


Whenever something is sketchy, blame the noodle incident.

As has been repeatedly claimed, it was not the chefs fault.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:18 am

What is the timezone used for this RP? Since one day is one month, that timezone is that day?

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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:21 am

Imperium Nova wrote:What is the timezone used for this RP? Since one day is one month, that timezone is that day?

Let's go with UTC/Greenwich Meridian. It's now 18:20 there.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:29 am

Arkolon wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:What is the timezone used for this RP? Since one day is one month, that timezone is that day?

Let's go with UTC/Greenwich Meridian. It's now 18:20 there.

Sounds good. It is also easily countable from all other time zones.

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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:36 am

Imperium Nova wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Let's go with UTC/Greenwich Meridian. It's now 18:20 there.

Sounds good. It is also easily countable from all other time zones.

I don't live in that time zone myself either, and yes it is.
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:33 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:What's the formula?

I assumed the population was around 2,650,000. I found 3%, which is 79,500. I multiplied that by $95,434.

0.3% of the population x $95,434 is $747,729,309.36 before implementation and if implemented it will give a massive boost to the Conservative Party.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:39 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:I assumed the population was around 2,650,000. I found 3%, which is 79,500. I multiplied that by $95,434.

0.3% of the population x $95,434 is $747,729,309.36 before implementation and if implemented it will give a massive boost to the Conservative Party.

And what if it would be 1%?

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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:44 pm

Imperium Nova wrote:
Arkolon wrote:0.3% of the population x $95,434 is $747,729,309.36 before implementation and if implemented it will give a massive boost to the Conservative Party.

And what if it would be 1%?

$2,492,431,031.18

$2.5bn
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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:49 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:And what if it would be 1%?

$2,492,431,031.18

$2.5bn

You could check the act, the sums seem pretty close. I gave myself a $13,000 gap between minimum and maximum spending per year.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:51 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:And what if it would be 1%?

$2,492,431,031.18

$2.5bn

So, quite a big chunk of the population then.

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Postby Jamessonia » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:52 pm

Imperium Nova wrote:
Arkolon wrote:$2,492,431,031.18

$2.5bn

So, quite a big chunk of the population then.

It will not be 1%, that's not necessary.
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