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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:23 pm

Prospect Landings wrote:
Tiberium Imperium wrote:They should be allowed to drill, complete exercises and train so I don't think that clause should be a valid option.


Let me rephrase, The Armed Forces shall be prohibited from combat operations on Corburn soil unless there is due cause for the normal functions of the state to be dissolved.

I assume that makes sense.
Will be added.

Also, why are we not debating this in the Senate thread?
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Postby Jamessonia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:24 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Prospect Landings wrote:
Let me rephrase, The Armed Forces shall be prohibited from combat operations on Corburn soil unless there is due cause for the normal functions of the state to be dissolved.

I assume that makes sense.
Will be added.

Also, why are we not debating this in the Senate thread?

Because no one's brought it up there?

Also, link for the Cosnervative IC Cheedingham Club.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:25 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:I assume that makes sense.
Will be added.

Also, why are we not debating this in the Senate thread?

Because no one's brought it up there?

Also, link for the Cosnervative IC Cheedingham Club.

I posted the law there.
Any issues people have with it here would still be there.....


EDIT:
I'd be interested in a visit there....
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Postby Jamessonia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:28 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:Because no one's brought it up there?

Also, link for the Cosnervative IC Cheedingham Club.

I posted the law there.
Any issues people have with it here would still be there.....


EDIT:
I'd be interested in a visit there....

I'm not the one advocating for restrictions on the military, it would be out of character for me to do so anyway, so I'll keep my mouth shut now.

The Cheedingham Club? You'd be welcome, if you're invited. Only Conservatives allowed without an invitation ;)
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Postby The New Lowlands » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:29 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:I posted the law there.
Any issues people have with it here would still be there.....


EDIT:
I'd be interested in a visit there....

I'm not the one advocating for restrictions on the military, it would be out of character for me to do so anyway, so I'll keep my mouth shut now.

The Cheedingham Club? You'd be welcome, if you're invited. Only Conservatives allowed without an invitation ;)

Pub for Socialists, anyone?

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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:30 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:I posted the law there.
Any issues people have with it here would still be there.....


EDIT:
I'd be interested in a visit there....

I'm not the one advocating for restrictions on the military, it would be out of character for me to do so anyway, so I'll keep my mouth shut now.

The Cheedingham Club? You'd be welcome, if you're invited. Only Conservatives allowed without an invitation ;)

Then vote for it, and advise your colleagues to do so too. Monarchist, the MoD bill is a priority, for now.

It says Monarchists are welcome. I'm a monarchist. Invite naoooo!
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Postby The New World Oceania » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:31 pm

Winovia wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:L108 is the MoD act,isn't it?
If so, then depends if maybe senators will allow themselves to even state an opinion.
Also, if the 2nd clause is fixed to the remark I gave, of the Commander in Chief and the Minister of Defense being one and the same - or a change to it is proposed.

Prime Minister should be Commander in Chief not the MoD, MoD could be Commander of the Armed Forces


Here's the amendment.

To:
Republic of Corburn,
Senate, Surrey, Corburn City, Corburn, Republic of Corburn



Date: 3/1/2014

Law L108


Body (Amendment)


2. Establishes restrictions on the Ministry of Defense, in turn;
2.1. Establishing restrictions on the military and any associated national defensive forces, which
2.1.1. Will act purely in the interests of the People of Corburn, and
2.1.2. Are reserved purely for defensive purposes;
2.2. Maintaining conduct of domestic forces, that
2.2.1. They will act purely in the interests of those whom they are ordered to act in interest of,
2.2.1.1. That therein those interests lie also the interests of the People of Corburn,
2.2.2. They will maintain orderly conduct;
2.3. Demanding responsibility on behalf of the Commander-in-Chief/Minister of Defense, and Leading Party, whereas
2.3.1. They are bound by all restrictions of those they command as defined here,
2.3.2. They maintain finite positions that,
2.3.2.1. The Minister serves a term of six years,
2.3.2.2. All other official concerned in this sub-clause serve a term of two years,
2.3.2.3. No official concerned in this sub-clause may request funds for their causes and
2.3.2.3.1. They may not provide any control over their salaries;
2.4. The Senate may take control over any of the concerned within this clause by two/thirds majority plus one, rounded down.
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Postby Prospect Landings » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:32 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:I'm not the one advocating for restrictions on the military, it would be out of character for me to do so anyway, so I'll keep my mouth shut now.

The Cheedingham Club? You'd be welcome, if you're invited. Only Conservatives allowed without an invitation ;)

Pub for Socialists, anyone?


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Postby The New Lowlands » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:33 pm

Prospect Landings wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Pub for Socialists, anyone?


The Drunken Donkey, Pisswater Proletariat, something like that

The King's Head. :twisted:

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Postby Jamessonia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:33 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:
Winovia wrote:Prime Minister should be Commander in Chief not the MoD, MoD could be Commander of the Armed Forces


Here's the amendment.

To:
Republic of Corburn,
Senate, Surrey, Corburn City, Corburn, Republic of Corburn



Date: 3/1/2014

Law L108


Body (Amendment)


2. Establishes restrictions on the Ministry of Defense, in turn;
2.1. Establishing restrictions on the military and any associated national defensive forces, which
2.1.1. Will act purely in the interests of the People of Corburn, and
2.1.2. Are reserved purely for defensive purposes;
2.2. Maintaining conduct of domestic forces, that
2.2.1. They will act purely in the interests of those whom they are ordered to act in interest of,
2.2.1.1. That therein those interests lie also the interests of the People of Corburn,
2.2.2. They will maintain orderly conduct;
2.3. Demanding responsibility on behalf of the Commander-in-Chief/Minister of Defense, and Leading Party, whereas
2.3.1. They are bound by all restrictions of those they command as defined here,
2.3.2. They maintain finite positions that,
2.3.2.1. The Minister serves a term of six years,
2.3.2.2. All other official concerned in this sub-clause serve a term of two years,
2.3.2.3. No official concerned in this sub-clause may request funds for their causes and
2.3.2.3.1. They may not provide any control over their salaries;
2.4. The Senate may take control over any of the concerned within this clause by two/thirds majority plus one, rounded down.

This doesn't seem to restricting, it wouldn't make sense for the military to conduct combat operations on home soil in peacetime anyway. Any monarchist objection to this?
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Postby Winovia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:34 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Prospect Landings wrote:
The Drunken Donkey, Pisswater Proletariat, something like that

The King's Head. :twisted:

I like it
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Postby Jamessonia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:35 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:I'm not the one advocating for restrictions on the military, it would be out of character for me to do so anyway, so I'll keep my mouth shut now.

The Cheedingham Club? You'd be welcome, if you're invited. Only Conservatives allowed without an invitation ;)

Pub for Socialists, anyone?

Stealing my idea, I see. Well, while you're all drinking cheap watered-down beer we'll be finishing up our wine tasting with the century-old foreign vintage!
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Postby The New Lowlands » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:36 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Pub for Socialists, anyone?

Stealing my idea, I see. Well, while you're all drinking cheap watered-down beer we'll be finishing up our wine tasting with the century-old foreign vintage!

I can't hear you over the sound of drunken singing and camaraderie.

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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:36 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Prospect Landings wrote:
The Drunken Donkey, Pisswater Proletariat, something like that

The King's Head. :twisted:

Sure.
I'm not a King, Jonathan is not a King, none of the Monarchists are kings.
What we do have, is a claimant to the throne of an Emperor.
Winovia wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:The King's Head. :twisted:

I like it

Of course you do, cou... honorable senator.

Jamessonia wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Pub for Socialists, anyone?

Stealing my idea, I see. Well, while you're all drinking cheap watered-down beer we'll be finishing up our wine tasting with the century-old foreign vintage!

Invite me,maybe?
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Postby The New Lowlands » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:37 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:The King's Head. :twisted:

Sure.
I'm not a King, Jonathan is not a King, none of the Monarchists are kings.
What we do have, is a claimant to the throne of an Emperor.

I'll make sure to keep the guillotine polished.

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Postby Winovia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:38 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:The King's Head. :twisted:

Sure.
I'm not a King, Jonathan is not a King, none of the Monarchists are kings.
What we do have, is a claimant to the throne of an Emperor.


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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:38 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:Stealing my idea, I see. Well, while you're all drinking cheap watered-down beer we'll be finishing up our wine tasting with the century-old foreign vintage!

I can't hear you over the sound of drunken singing and camaraderie.

Camaraderie is what the Guards have, join them and make new brothers, while learning to defend yourself and getting brainwashed receiving an excellent education.
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The Jonathanian States wrote:Sure.
I'm not a King, Jonathan is not a King, none of the Monarchists are kings.
What we do have, is a claimant to the throne of an Emperor.

I'll make sure to keep the guillotine polished.

Sure you will.
The guards are waiting, while you currently have neither a police,or an army, or anything.
(Or has the police act been passed already?)
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The Jonathanian States wrote:Sure.
I'm not a King, Jonathan is not a King, none of the Monarchists are kings.
What we do have, is a claimant to the throne of an Emperor.


The Emperors Head isnt the same

Obviously not.
It's with more crown's 'n stuff *nods*
EDIT:
And similar to yours, genetically speaking.
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Postby Jamessonia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:39 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:Stealing my idea, I see. Well, while you're all drinking cheap watered-down beer we'll be finishing up our wine tasting with the century-old foreign vintage!

Invite me,maybe?

You'll get an invitation, once I get some action on that thread by some Conservatives. Where have they all gone, anyway?
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Postby The New Lowlands » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:40 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:I can't hear you over the sound of drunken singing and camaraderie.

Camaraderie is what the Guards have, join them and make new brothers, while learning to defend yourself and getting brainwashed receiving an excellent education.
The New Lowlands wrote:I'll make sure to keep the guillotine polished.

Sure you will.
The guards are waiting, while you currently have neither a police,or an army, or anything.
(Or has the police act been passed already?)

Revolutionary Guard > Reactionary stinkies

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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:41 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:
Invite me,maybe?

You'll get an invitation, once I get some action on that thread by some Conservatives. Where have they all gone, anyway?

Dead.
But we're not related to that. The guards are either intimidating you, training, or on guard duty. Or secretly drinking in the cellars of the castle and then getting kicked out
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Postby Jamessonia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:43 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:You'll get an invitation, once I get some action on that thread by some Conservatives. Where have they all gone, anyway?

Dead.
But we're not related to that. The guards are either intimidating you, training, or on guard duty. Or secretly drinking in the cellars of the castle and then getting kicked out

Seems like a nice job, those guards have.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:44 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Dead.
But we're not related to that. The guards are either intimidating you, training, or on guard duty. Or secretly drinking in the cellars of the castle and then getting kicked out

Seems like a nice job, those guards have.

Yeah.
I mean, if there's politics-related action somewhere, they'll be the first to:
A) hear
B) see
C) act
D) get involved
E) Having been involved
F) All answers are correct.

EDIT:
How many active senators are we?
I'm checking how far 'til L108 passes.
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Postby Winovia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:49 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:Seems like a nice job, those guards have.

Yeah.
I mean, if there's politics-related action somewhere, they'll be the first to:
A) hear
B) see
C) act
D) get involved
E) Having been involved
F) All answers are correct.

EDIT:
How many active senators are we?
I'm checking how far 'til L108 passes.

10 active so you need a 6 vote majority, which means one more
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I'd like to suggest that the various Party HQs and RP threads get linked in the first post of this thread, otherwise they're easy to lose amongst the signal.
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Postby Jamessonia » Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:53 pm

Kinitaria wrote:I'd like to suggest that the various Party HQs and RP threads get linked in the first post of this thread, otherwise they're easy to lose amongst the signal.

Are you in this roleplay?

Never mind.
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