Republics of the World [SEMI-OPEN] Discussion Thread

[Arkolon]

Whose idea was it to let the Monarchist become the MoD? Conservatives

It was the sly Jon who said "hey, guys, why not me?" and no one suspected a thing..

[The Jonathanian States]

Whose idea was it to let the Monarchist become the MoD? Conservatives

It was the sly Jon who said "hey, guys, why not me?" and no one suspected a thing..

Thank you ark.

[Winovia]

This has gone from a Nation silumation to Jonathan trying to take over the country

[Arkolon]

This has gone from a Nation silumation to Jonathan trying to take over the country

It always was Jonathan trying to take over a country.

[The Jonathanian States]

This has gone from a Nation silumation to Jonathan trying to take over the country

Oh, it was that since I was here.


Since page 4,or more.

EDIT:
I'm sorry people, but consider it as a lesson on the weakness of democracy

[Winovia]

So I just realized we have a criminal code, police, but no courts.......if Jonathan becomes the monarch Xavier will shoot himself

[Prospect Landings]

Kintaira, you were right, us bourgeois progressives really were blinded by our own idealism. Let's get back to working on our Socialist Youth Terror Brigades idea

[The Jonathanian States]

So I just realized we have a criminal code, police, but no courts.......if Jonathan becomes the monarch Xavier will shoot himself

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Kintaira, you were right, us bourgeois progressives really were blinded by our own idealism. Let's get back to working on our Socialist Youth Terror Brigades idea

You don't know how I was laughing when you declined the idea of a Paramilitary.....
You really missed that out.

[The New World Oceania]

This has gone from a Nation silumation to Jonathan trying to take over the country

Oh, it was that since I was here.


Since page 4,or more.

EDIT:
I'm sorry people, but consider it as a lesson on the weakness of democracy

Question: are the soldiers and equipment from Corburn or from the outlying tribes? And they're attacking Corburn?

[The Jonathanian States]

Oh, it was that since I was here.


Since page 4,or more.

EDIT:
I'm sorry people, but consider it as a lesson on the weakness of democracy

Question: are the soldiers and equipment from Corburn or from the outlying tribes? And they're attacking Corburn?

The paramilitary?
Corburnians?
It's equipment? Both Legally bought equipment from somewhere (maybe corburn) and now also heavier equipment from the army.

[The New World Oceania]

Question: are the soldiers and equipment from Corburn or from the outlying tribes? And they're attacking Corburn?

The paramilitary?
Corburnians?
It's equipment? Both Legally bought equipment from somewhere (maybe corburn) and now also heavier equipment from the army.

Stop answering in the form of a question, you sound like a teenage girl.
Where are he soldiers of the paramilitary from?

[Arkolon]

This is terrible. In six IC months, the newly-established Republic becomes a monarchy. This game should rename itself "Royalty of the World". Everything is going to crumble.

But I'm here, laughing.

[Prospect Landings]

This is terrible. In six IC months, the newly-established Republic becomes a monarchy. This game should rename itself "Royalty of the World". Everything is going to crumble.

But I'm here, laughing.

Republics of the World [SEMI-OPEN] Discussion Thread: "The most realistic political simulator on nationstates."

[The Jonathanian States]

Also, I'd like to give a few statements:
A) ICly, none of you know of the arms.
Only those who were on the roads of Corburn or around it should know of the tanks.
B) I peacefully proposed a very limited monarchy. It was declined. I might've resigned everything else, rping as a peaceful monarch.....

The paramilitary?
Corburnians?
It's equipment? Both Legally bought equipment from somewhere (maybe corburn) and now also heavier equipment from the army.

Stop answering in the form of a question, you sound like a teenage girl.
Where are he soldiers of the paramilitary from?

The paramilitary is from corburnian (nationalists/Monarchists).

This is terrible. In six IC months, the newly-established Republic becomes a monarchy. This game should rename itself "Royalty of the World". Everything is going to crumble.

But I'm here, laughing.

The most awesome thing is that Ark had to endure me explaining every step to him.
Asking about how loyal the army would be, and if they would heed the command to dismantle.
And he knew it the whole time. He knew it and had to watch. Sorry Ark, and yet thanks.

Also,I'm laughing too.
Laughing too much even.

This is terrible. In six IC months, the newly-established Republic becomes a monarchy. This game should rename itself "Royalty of the World". Everything is going to crumble.

But I'm here, laughing.

Republics of the World [SEMI-OPEN] Discussion Thread: "The most realistic political simulator on nationstates."

Hey, I took no step against realism.
We were in shambles, demagogy got me voters.
I was made MoD, and Senators missed loopholes in my laws - allowing me to dismantle the national military and grab tanks. The only reason why I couldn't have couped from the beginning - as ark explained to me.
The remains of the army. And it was Winovia, of all people, who gave one of the last votes for the act.

[Kinitaria]

Time for the SP to go underground, committing itself to the revolutionary overthrow of the new order and the establishment of a People's Republic?

[The New World Oceania]

There's a flaw with that idea. See clause 2 of L108:

2. Establishes restrictions on the Ministry of Defense, in turn;
2.1. Establishing restrictions on the military and any associated national defensive forces, which
2.1.1. Will act purely in the interests of the People of Corburn, and
2.1.2. Are reserved purely for defensive purposes;
2.2. Maintaining conduct of domestic forces, that
2.2.1. They will act purely in the interests of those whom they are ordered to act in interest of,
2.2.1.1. That therein those interests lie also the interests of the People of Corburn,
2.2.2. They will maintain orderly conduct;
2.3. Demanding responsibility on behalf of the Commander-in-Chief, Minister of Defense, and Minority Party, whereas
2.3.1. They are bound by all restrictions of those they command as defined here,
2.3.2. They maintain finite positions that,
2.3.2.1. The MoD serves a term of six years,
2.3.2.2. All other official concerned in this sub-clause serve a term of two years,
2.3.2.3. No official concerned in this sub-clause may request funds for their causes and
2.3.2.3.1. They may not provide any control over their salaries;
2.4. The Senate may take control over any of the concerned within this clause by two/thirds majority plus one, rounded down.

Not only are there restrictions on the military, but the MoD is bound by the Senate, and the minority party has control over the military should he Senate approve it.
Thus, the NCP can stop you for one thing, but they don't have to since all defense forces already have an obligation:
2.1. Establishing restrictions on the military and any associated national defensive forces, which
2.1.1. Will act purely in the interests of the People of Corburn, and
2.1.2. Are reserved purely for defensive purposes.

The MoD does not have the power to demand the military to attack Corburn.

[The Jonathanian States]

There's a flaw with that idea. See clause 2 of L108:

2. Establishes restrictions on the Ministry of Defense, in turn;
2.1. Establishing restrictions on the military and any associated national defensive forces, which
2.1.1. Will act purely in the interests of the People of Corburn, and
2.1.2. Are reserved purely for defensive purposes;
2.2. Maintaining conduct of domestic forces, that
2.2.1. They will act purely in the interests of those whom they are ordered to act in interest of,
2.2.1.1. That therein those interests lie also the interests of the People of Corburn,
2.2.2. They will maintain orderly conduct;
2.3. Demanding responsibility on behalf of the Commander-in-Chief, Minister of Defense, and Minority Party, whereas
2.3.1. They are bound by all restrictions of those they command as defined here,
2.3.2. They maintain finite positions that,
2.3.2.1. The MoD serves a term of six years,
2.3.2.2. All other official concerned in this sub-clause serve a term of two years,
2.3.2.3. No official concerned in this sub-clause may request funds for their causes and
2.3.2.3.1. They may not provide any control over their salaries;
2.4. The Senate may take control over any of the concerned within this clause by two/thirds majority plus one, rounded down.

Not only are there restrictions on the military, but the MoD is bound by the Senate, and the minority party has control over the military should he Senate approve it.
Thus, the NCP can stop you for one thing, but they don't have to since all defense forces already have an obligation:
2.1. Establishing restrictions on the military and any associated national defensive forces, which
2.1.1. Will act purely in the interests of the People of Corburn, and
2.1.2. Are reserved purely for defensive purposes.

The MoD does not have the power to demand the military to attack Corburn.

I never will.
I would order my Paramilitary - using Army equipment from L112 - t do so.

3.2 Orders the members of the pre-corburnian armed forces and/or 'Military Communes' to hand their materials and equipments to the MoD officials who will be responsible for it, so it can be used for a new Unified Army.

The relevant part of L112.
Winovia, I really didn't pay attention to the wording of Military communes.
NWO, that was why I took my own slightly edited MoD act, without your addition.

[The New World Oceania]

There's a flaw with that idea. See clause 2 of L108:

2. Establishes restrictions on the Ministry of Defense, in turn;
2.1. Establishing restrictions on the military and any associated national defensive forces, which
2.1.1. Will act purely in the interests of the People of Corburn, and
2.1.2. Are reserved purely for defensive purposes;
2.2. Maintaining conduct of domestic forces, that
2.2.1. They will act purely in the interests of those whom they are ordered to act in interest of,
2.2.1.1. That therein those interests lie also the interests of the People of Corburn,
2.2.2. They will maintain orderly conduct;
2.3. Demanding responsibility on behalf of the Commander-in-Chief, Minister of Defense, and Minority Party, whereas
2.3.1. They are bound by all restrictions of those they command as defined here,
2.3.2. They maintain finite positions that,
2.3.2.1. The MoD serves a term of six years,
2.3.2.2. All other official concerned in this sub-clause serve a term of two years,
2.3.2.3. No official concerned in this sub-clause may request funds for their causes and
2.3.2.3.1. They may not provide any control over their salaries;
2.4. The Senate may take control over any of the concerned within this clause by two/thirds majority plus one, rounded down.

Not only are there restrictions on the military, but the MoD is bound by the Senate, and the minority party has control over the military should he Senate approve it.
Thus, the NCP can stop you for one thing, but they don't have to since all defense forces already have an obligation:
2.1. Establishing restrictions on the military and any associated national defensive forces, which
2.1.1. Will act purely in the interests of the People of Corburn, and
2.1.2. Are reserved purely for defensive purposes.

The MoD does not have the power to demand the military to attack Corburn.

I never will.
I would order my Paramilitary - using Army equipment from L112 - to do so.

L112 never passed.
Even without the precise wording, all the addition is implied.

[The Jonathanian States]

I never will.
I would order my Paramilitary - using Army equipment from L112 - to do so.

L112 never passed.

It passed.

L112 - PASSED

[The New World Oceania]

L112 never passed.

It passed.

L112 - PASSED

L108 clause 2 still restricts even without the exact wording.

[Arkolon]

Go on, NWO. Save the Republic.

[Winovia]

It passed.

L108 clause 2 still restricts even without the exact wording.

I just slightly amended L113, ad it currently has 5 votes, only 1 more needed to pass

[The Jonathanian States]

It passed.

L108 clause 2 still restricts even without the exact wording.

That clause was not in the passed bill.
That's my point.
I placed in a different Clause 2 - the part you quote has never been in the bill.
And hell, even prospect voted for my version.

L108 clause 2 still restricts even without the exact wording.

I just slightly amended L113, ad it currently has 5 votes, only 1 more needed to pass

L113?

EDIT:
Great, you have outlawed a group owning tanks.
In the center of the capital, in the Political District.
I really would recommend against voting in its favor.

[Winovia]

L108 clause 2 still restricts even without the exact wording.

That clause was not in the passed bill.
That's my point.
I placed in a different Clause 2 - the part you quote has never been in the bill.
And hell, even prospect voted for my version.

I just slightly amended L113, ad it currently has 5 votes, only 1 more needed to pass

L113?

My Police Force Act

[The Jonathanian States]

That clause was not in the passed bill.
That's my point.
I placed in a different Clause 2 - the part you quote has never been in the bill.
And hell, even prospect voted for my version.

L113?

My Police Force Act

See edit above.

EDIT:
I said this will be a massacre.
I said it.
I sooo said it.