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Imperium Nova
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:14 am

Jamessonia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Poll rating - what the people think of you, slash how many would vote for your party. It's useful in election time.

But no matter the poll numbers, the fact remains that I have only 4 senators, and that much voting power. How does the poll help me, when the real majority is decided by how many players sign up for each party?

True. I'd suppose it matters in the next election, where seats are divided to parties and then to the various senators pf the party.

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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:18 am

Arkolon wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Was it a bad speech?
Has it made me loose nationalist votes, by conceding that others helped me?
Should I revise it?


Maybe..... Ark, if we would stay different parties, but run for votes as a kind of Unified block, (Take CSU/CDU in germany), how would that affect our votes?

Your OOC senator count stays solid in any case, merger or not, meaning your voting power won't change. Your poll rating, however, together would be 30.42%.

And if we don't merge? What would it be then?


Also, I thought you gave James a few of the Inactive Conservative votes, didn't you?
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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:18 am

Jamessonia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Poll rating - what the people think of you, slash how many would vote for your party. It's useful in election time.

But no matter the poll numbers, the fact remains that I have only 4 senators, and that much voting power. How does the poll help me, when the real majority is decided by how many players sign up for each party?

It's also how well you are representing the people. It's the same question as "Why do people care about voting in polls regarding what they think of the US congress when the Congressmen have their seats anyway?". Good question, but we just do.
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Imperium Nova
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:21 am

Arkolon wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:But no matter the poll numbers, the fact remains that I have only 4 senators, and that much voting power. How does the poll help me, when the real majority is decided by how many players sign up for each party?

It's also how well you are representing the people. It's the same question as "Why do people care about voting in polls regarding what they think of the US congress when the Congressmen have their seats anyway?". Good question, but we just do.

Also, in the next election, will the seats change for each party?

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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:33 am

Imperium Nova wrote:
Arkolon wrote:It's also how well you are representing the people. It's the same question as "Why do people care about voting in polls regarding what they think of the US congress when the Congressmen have their seats anyway?". Good question, but we just do.

Also, in the next election, will the seats change for each party?

I'm still working on that. I think it should, i.e. the ratios will change so they won't be equal all around (1 senator is currently representing 40; after the elections 1 conservative could represent 100 or 1 socialist could represent 5)-- depending on the election ratings in the end.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:36 am

Arkolon wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Also, in the next election, will the seats change for each party?

I'm still working on that. I think it should, i.e. the ratios will change so they won't be equal all around (1 senator is currently representing 40; after the elections 1 conservative could represent 100 or 1 socialist could represent 5)-- depending on the election ratings in the end.

I see.
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Postby Jamessonia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:36 am

Arkolon wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Also, in the next election, will the seats change for each party?

I'm still working on that. I think it should, i.e. the ratios will change so they won't be equal all around (1 senator is currently representing 40; after the elections 1 conservative could represent 100 or 1 socialist could represent 5)-- depending on the election ratings in the end.

That makes more sense.

Arkolon wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:But no matter the poll numbers, the fact remains that I have only 4 senators, and that much voting power. How does the poll help me, when the real majority is decided by how many players sign up for each party?

It's also how well you are representing the people. It's the same question as "Why do people care about voting in polls regarding what they think of the US congress when the Congressmen have their seats anyway?". Good question, but we just do.

The difference is, the Congressmen can lose their seats.
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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:39 am

Jamessonia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:I'm still working on that. I think it should, i.e. the ratios will change so they won't be equal all around (1 senator is currently representing 40; after the elections 1 conservative could represent 100 or 1 socialist could represent 5)-- depending on the election ratings in the end.

That makes more sense.

Arkolon wrote:It's also how well you are representing the people. It's the same question as "Why do people care about voting in polls regarding what they think of the US congress when the Congressmen have their seats anyway?". Good question, but we just do.

The difference is, the Congressmen can lose their seats.

I'm no aficionado of American politics. You know what I mean :p
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:48 am

Arkolon wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:That makes more sense.


The difference is, the Congressmen can lose their seats.

I'm no aficionado of American politics. You know what I mean :p

No, I do not?
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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:50 am

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Arkolon wrote:I'm no aficionado of American politics. You know what I mean :p

No, I do not?

What I mean is what James is asking is similar to "What's the point in voting in polls saying we like or dislike a person in power if he's in power no matter how we vote?", which is a good question.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:55 am

Arkolon wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:No, I do not?

What I mean is what James is asking is similar to "What's the point in voting in polls saying we like or dislike a person in power if he's in power no matter how we vote?", which is a good question.

Oh.Then yes, I do know.
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The New World Oceania
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Postby The New World Oceania » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:54 am

Gosh, you can't go offline for a few hours without:

Party mergers,
Assassination plans,
Legislation,
I don't even know what.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:54 am

The New World Oceania wrote:Gosh, you can't go offline for a few hours without:

Party mergers,
Assassination plans,
Legislation,
I don't even know what.

That's not everything.
Or rather, it shouldn't be soon.
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Postby Kinitaria » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:58 am

I would suggest that the number of IC senate seats a party wins is worked out totally independently of the amount of OOC players each party has.

Given Ark's description of the political system, it looks like a FPTP one, but simply so as not to complicate things, a party should probably get (x/100)*600 seats, where x = the party's poll rating.

Following each election cycle, each player's vote should count for 1/y of the amount of seats their party won, where y = the amount of players signed up for that particular party.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:59 am

Kinitaria wrote:I would suggest that the number of IC senate seats a party wins is worked out totally independently of the amount of OOC players each party has.

Given Ark's description of the political system, it looks like a FPTP one, but simply so as not to complicate things, a party should probably get (x/100)*600 seats, where x = the party's poll rating.

Following each election cycle, each player's vote should count for 1/y of the amount of seats their party won, where y = the amount of players signed up for that particular party.

That seems reasonable.
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The New World Oceania
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Postby The New World Oceania » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:28 am

Kinitaria wrote:I would suggest that the number of IC senate seats a party wins is worked out totally independently of the amount of OOC players each party has.

Given Ark's description of the political system, it looks like a FPTP one, but simply so as not to complicate things, a party should probably get (x/100)*600 seats, where x = the party's poll rating.

Following each election cycle, each player's vote should count for 1/y of the amount of seats their party won, where y = the amount of players signed up for that particular party.


So using his theoretically:

The Libertarian Party gets a 75% approval rating. We have one OOC member, so they control all 450 seats alone,
The Conservative Party gets a 100% approval rate. There are six OOC members, so each controls 100 seats;
The Monarchists get a 10% approval rating. They have four OOC members, so each controls 15 seats?

How are poll ratings chosen, and would they play a role in elections?
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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:43 am

The New World Oceania wrote:
Kinitaria wrote:I would suggest that the number of IC senate seats a party wins is worked out totally independently of the amount of OOC players each party has.

Given Ark's description of the political system, it looks like a FPTP one, but simply so as not to complicate things, a party should probably get (x/100)*600 seats, where x = the party's poll rating.

Following each election cycle, each player's vote should count for 1/y of the amount of seats their party won, where y = the amount of players signed up for that particular party.


So using his theoretically:

The Libertarian Party gets a 75% approval rating. We have one OOC member, so they control all 450 seats alone,
The Conservative Party gets a 100% approval rate. There are six OOC members, so each controls 100 seats;
The Monarchists get a 10% approval rating. They have four OOC members, so each controls 15 seats?

How are poll ratings chosen, and would they play a role in elections?

With the PFA and without the ICP merger, these are the following poll ratings:

LP: 15.57%
SP: 15.74%
CP: 24.48%
MP: 12.75%
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Postby Winovia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:46 am

Arkolon wrote:
The New World Oceania wrote:
So using his theoretically:

The Libertarian Party gets a 75% approval rating. We have one OOC member, so they control all 450 seats alone,
The Conservative Party gets a 100% approval rate. There are six OOC members, so each controls 100 seats;
The Monarchists get a 10% approval rating. They have four OOC members, so each controls 15 seats?

How are poll ratings chosen, and would they play a role in elections?

With the PFA and without the ICP merger, these are the following poll ratings:

LP: 15.57%
SP: 15.74%
CP: 24.48%
MP: 12.75%

So the merger would only help the Monarchist?
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Postby The New World Oceania » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:49 am

Also, is a merger the grandest of things when the Party leaders might have some issues in bed?

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Postby Arkolon » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:50 am

Winovia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:With the PFA and without the ICP merger, these are the following poll ratings:

LP: 15.57%
SP: 15.74%
CP: 24.48%
MP: 12.75%

So the merger would only help the Monarchist?

Look, I try not to say anything but Jon's actions are only becoming clearer and clearer and no one seems to notice ... :p
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Postby Imperium Nova » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:50 am

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Kinitaria wrote:I would suggest that the number of IC senate seats a party wins is worked out totally independently of the amount of OOC players each party has.

Given Ark's description of the political system, it looks like a FPTP one, but simply so as not to complicate things, a party should probably get (x/100)*600 seats, where x = the party's poll rating.

Following each election cycle, each player's vote should count for 1/y of the amount of seats their party won, where y = the amount of players signed up for that particular party.

That seems reasonable.

I second this.

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Postby Winovia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:54 am

Arkolon wrote:
Winovia wrote:So the merger would only help the Monarchist?

Look, I try not to say anything but Jon's actions are only becoming clearer and clearer and no one seems to notice ... :p

I noticed
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:57 am

Winovia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Look, I try not to say anything but Jon's actions are only becoming clearer and clearer and no one seems to notice ... :p

I noticed

I doubt you noticed the full extent.

Ark, thanks for not replying to my tg.
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Postby Prospect Landings » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:02 am

Whose idea was it to let the Monarchist become the MoD? Conservatives
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:03 am

Prospect Landings wrote:Who's idea was it to let the Monarchist become the MoD? Conservatives

:rofl: :rofl:
Now?
Now you remember?
I made a Bill defining my powers.
I made a bill sacking the old military, in effect.

And now you remember?
After both of those were passed, not only by the monarchists?
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