[Open]2050: Humanity at a Crossroads REBOOT(OOC/SIGNUPS)

[Senkaku]

Perhaps.


The Chinese have had more than thirty years to bribe and influence top leaders in these countries, all of which, with the possible exception of Malaysia, are poorer, and all of which are much less stable. Not only is China one of their biggest trade partners, China is also a regional military power, and people in SE Asia are envious of its wealth, power, and prestige. So, when the Chinese send disaster relief or donate to political parties, they like it. When Chinese companies set up shop, they enjoy that. Combine this with the tireless work of Chinese intelligence agencies in subverting government officials and politicians, and there's a nice little puppet bloc.

Not all the nations in this are realistic (for instance, I was just criticizing the Highborn Empire). But this is fiction, and we've all been accepted, and we're just gonna have to make do with what's already written at this point.

I do believe the main concern now is that China is going to become almost twice as large almost instantly and with no bloodshed at all.

Not that I have a problem with that; EAST is easily quite larger than your Sino Bloc thanks to India's recent admittance into our ranks.

I never said no deaths.
But, unless EAST intervenes, bloodshed should be minimal.

Also, would anyone object to the idea of almost all Chinese aircraft being drones? I was also thinking of fitting a few with infrared lasers.

[Toishima]

I never said no deaths.
But, unless EAST intervenes, bloodshed should be minimal.

Also, would anyone object to the idea of almost all Chinese aircraft being drones? I was also thinking of fitting a few with infrared lasers.

Parhe left some questions and issues for you too, you may want to answer those.

And an almost all-drone air force is delightful. I would enjoy it very much, especially since the delay in communications time would definitely give my human pilots the edge. Drones need a lot to operate, at least, according to a certain article written by a drone pilot. I doubt even in 2050 we would have solved the problem of operators being in separate time zones and signals needing to bounce before reaching the targets.

I've been trying to get up a post lately, though terrible cramps mean any new posts would be much slower.

[Cerrania]

Some questions. My nation has several land agreements with nations in RL for agricultural reasons, and I am putting that in the IC. This wouldn't be god modding NPC's, I think, since these agreements are already made in RL or very close to being finished. However, several land acquired are in nations currently owned by players and so I was wondering what the status on them would be. The nations in question would be India(India and Myanmar), China(Mongolia), Russia(Russia and Ukraine), Philippines, Canada, Federation of the Americas(Argentina), and South Africa(Madagascar). In parenthesis are the regions or former nations that the government made arrangements with. Would those agreements continue to be respected, or have been after, for whatever reason, those nations were absorbed by others? Of course the question is targeted to the individual players.

I, personally, don't have a problem with it as long as you understand that I can terminate the agreement on a whim, as long as they aren't privately owned, and don't exceed a limit of 10 square kilometres.

[Gold state]

Nation Name:The Communist democracy of Cuba
Population (Estimated 2050): 16,500,000
Head of State:Pedro Morales
Government Type: Communist democracy
Military:The Revolutionary armed forces of Cuba (100,000 soldiers/50,000 sailors/75,000 airmen
History (2013-2050):

In 2013, Raul Castro began clamping down on small scale rebellions which denied the people any rights which they would have obtained. The Reborn Cuban Communist party who were in exile, soon began to collect weapons in the U.S under the guise of a shooting club in Jamaica. Eventually, 900 Cuban-Americans and Native Cubans boarded ships for the "Rose revolution"

The Revolutionaries landed in Cuba, on the 8th of May, 2014. Once in Cuba, they headed to the Jungles and set up several camps which conducted hit and run attacks on Convoys of soldiers heading around the jungle areas. In Havana, angry demonstrations had begun to break out as the people saw the government beginning to be beaten back.

By October, the weary and depleted government forces had been pushed back to Havana and revolution was openly occurring in the streets. In a final battle, on the 31st of October; 3,000 government troops attacked and openly rebelled against the police force which was the target of the Rebels.

2 days later, Raul Castro's corpse hung from the Presidential Palace and the Reborn Cuban Communist Party came into power. Their first act was to make Diego Sanchez leader of the country, this proved to be a wise decision. The charismatic 25 year old easily won over the Cuban populace, with his promise "To not try and follow all of Communism, but to provide free housing, food and healthcare to every citizen"

Soon, Diego made history by paying the families of the Americans who had lost property when Fidel Castro nationalised the companies they owned. This kind and generous action got U.S sanctions lifted, and soon the economy had begun to grow.



(I really can't be bothered to write 10 more paragraphs)

[Cerrania]

Nation Name:The Communist democracy of Cuba
Population (Estimated 2050): 16,500,000
Head of State:Pedro Morales
Government Type: Communist democracy
Military:The Revolutionary armed forces of Cuba (100,000 soldiers/50,000 sailors/75,000 airmen
History (2013-2050):

In 2013, Raul Castro began clamping down on small scale rebellions which denied the people any rights which they would have obtained. The Reborn Cuban Communist party who were in exile, soon began to collect weapons in the U.S under the guise of a shooting club in Jamaica. Eventually, 900 Cuban-Americans and Native Cubans boarded ships for the "Rose revolution"

The Revolutionaries landed in Cuba, on the 8th of May, 2014. Once in Cuba, they headed to the Jungles and set up several camps which conducted hit and run attacks on Convoys of soldiers heading around the jungle areas. In Havana, angry demonstrations had begun to break out as the people saw the government beginning to be beaten back.

By October, the weary and depleted government forces had been pushed back to Havana and revolution was openly occurring in the streets. In a final battle, on the 31st of October; 3,000 government troops attacked and openly rebelled against the police force which was the target of the Rebels.

2 days later, Raul Castro's corpse hung from the Presidential Palace and the Reborn Cuban Communist Party came into power. Their first act was to make Diego Sanchez leader of the country, this proved to be a wise decision. The charismatic 25 year old easily won over the Cuban populace, with his promise "To not try and follow all of Communism, but to provide free housing, food and healthcare to every citizen"

Soon, Diego made history by paying the families of the Americans who had lost property when Fidel Castro nationalised the companies they owned. This kind and generous action got U.S sanctions lifted, and soon the economy had begun to grow.



(I really can't be bothered to write 10 more paragraphs)

Accepted!

[Senkaku]

Some questions. My nation has several land agreements with nations in RL for agricultural reasons, and I am putting that in the IC. This wouldn't be god modding NPC's, I think, since these agreements are already made in RL or very close to being finished. However, several land acquired are in nations currently owned by players and so I was wondering what the status on them would be. The nations in question would be India(India and Myanmar), China(Mongolia), Russia(Russia and Ukraine), Philippines, Canada, Federation of the Americas(Argentina), and South Africa(Madagascar). In parenthesis are the regions or former nations that the government made arrangements with. Would those agreements continue to be respected, or have been after, for whatever reason, those nations were absorbed by others? Of course the question is targeted to the individual players.

If it was a deal with the Mongolian government, a deal like that would likely be left in place after checking to make sure it was legal and all that. If it was with a Mongolian corporation, then unless the corporation canceled it, it would be left alone.
In short, land deals like this will, aside from now being subject to Chinese taxes and not Mongolian ones, wil have mostly been left alone.

[Senkaku]

I do believe the main concern now is that China is going to become almost twice as large almost instantly and with no bloodshed at all.

Not that I have a problem with that; EAST is easily quite larger than your Sino Bloc thanks to India's recent admittance into our ranks.

I quote since I want to support what is said here, but it is mainly addressed to Senkaku.

Also this:
"If we get Laos, the people of Southeast Asia will pressure their own governments to either request to join us or accede to another annexation. We can almost certainly get Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia without shedding a drop of blood. Yes, of course I've thought this through."

That itself a pretty controlling of the nations. You were accepted that those nations are a "essentially" satellite bloc, but being a satellite does not mean the nation will just throw itself at you to be annexed or the people will love you. Especially since the great majority of these nations are pretty cautious and distrustful of China even with investment from there.

China might be wealthy but it wasn't until at least the 2030's that China reclaimed its former glory since from 2029 to 2032 China needed Korea's help in subduing a rogue commander that took control of Manchuria from China, and even then Korea was able to negotiate taking over most of the land while China was only able to absorb the less populous northern parts of the region according to my history accepted before. So China really had less than two decades to rebuilt its former self. Also keep in mind, as I said earlier, that other nations have invested heavily in the region, perhaps just as much or more than China, and the People's Republic would actively have a military presence in South East Asia to protect its purchased/rented land.

In regards to the land concern, the PRC would, after some quick inspections, likely leave any land interests owned by foreign corporations alone and perhaps provide security details for them. They wouldn't be annexing countries and then just running around blowing up plantations and mines: they'd be taxing them and perhaps slightly modifying whatever agreement they had with the old government.

You're playing Korea, right? I was wondering if there was a way to move the Manchurian Civil War back a few years so it would fall in Li Keqiang's term, and not Shen Jian's, because while he kinda dithered and did a shitty job, she would've just carpet-bombed the whole region until someone waved the white flag.
Also, with the aid of a significant number of PLA defectors and dissatisfied poor people, a rebel warlord took over a portion of Manchuria, and, due to bad leadership and poor tactics, the Chinese asked the Koreans for help. That doesn't mean the entire country is in shambles and unemployed and poor and sad and about to go die in a hole.

Anyways, I got sidetracked. Moving on: the Chinese have had like twenty years to subvert this region. They've assassinated, bribed, incited riots, and blackmailed to get their puppets to the upper echelons of the governments, and invested massive amounts of money in the region. Most of the countries in the region are poor, or at least poorer than China. Obviously, people say "Gee, I wish I had money" sometimes.
Then they listen to the radio or read the newspaper and see not only that their own government is kinda corrupt, but they see ads and all sorts of stuff. From China. "Oh look, some Chinese tycoon is building a bullet train line to my brother-in-law's home. Oh look, our government just shot a bunch of guerrillas and burned a village. Hey, the Chinese are sending peacekeepers and are setting up hospitals in tiny mountain villages. Oh look, here's a picture of Shenzhen and a fancy hotel. That sure looks nice. Oh look, all these nice products that I like come from China and the government import tax is why I have to lay such high taxes on them. Oh, this is interesting, an ad for people to man Chinese freighters. Wow, that would pay better than my current job. Wouldn't it be nice if I lived in China? I could make more money, the government is better, and since they provide the homeless with cheap housing in humongous apartment blocks my nephew might not have to live in the slums downtown."
It's called propaganda, and even if it's inadvertent, it works. Just look at the Mexico-US border. Poor people in Mexico think the US is rich and a land of opportunity. They go there in droves.

Now, the US may not be that much better, but they keep coming. I never said the nations would throw themselves at me, I did say it would be popular with the people, because most of their current governments are kept intentionally bad and are unpopular.
If any of those governments have a problem, well, there's always the 3rd Army, or they can just get assassinated.



I know it's not perfect, and if the OP says no, then I'll abide by that. I just think it would not only be an interesting thing for the RP, but it would make a lot more sense than the Chinese just sitting around and waiting for EAST to invade.

That wasn't a perfect explanation, but did I at least answer all your concerns?

[Epraria]

Well Cuba just posted the same post twice. Yay

[Kelmet]

Well Cuba just posted the same post twice. Yay

Indeed.

[Imperium Nova]

Well Cuba just posted the same post twice. Yay

Indeed.

Well, they are communists.

[Gold state]

Well Cuba just posted the same post twice. Yay

Yay Mistake Yay

[Parhe]

Sorry for not quoting anyone. I am on my pho e and quoting is a difficult. Anyone all the land is strictly for agricultural purposes since the nation itself doesn't have the capacity to provide all of its own needs for food. Also if I recall correctly the deals were with national governments.

Well I would Senkaku but the time you put in your application is dangerously close to when the Korean War resumed or ended. While it wasn't very devastating it did take several years it did take a few years so unless the nation had to it wouldn't choose to go to war again with the north. To add though the Manchurian border conflicts did start around when North Korea was conquered but it didn't evolve to a main concern till later.

While that might be true it was Korea that went to China originally so that China wouldn't be offended by Korea taking the land that formerly was part of China. And yes I understand your point. And while Laos and Cambodia might be ignored by other nations I am basing it off what a character said about China taking over seven pretty large, nationalistic states with hardly a war.

Regardless Korea's response will be based on China's annexation of Mongolia and, to a lesser extent, Taiwan. If Korean investments and expats were left untouched, which seems to be right based off of what happened in Mongolia, Korea wouldn't mind too much except in the larger cases, the massive Thailand and Indonesia,. Or Singapore or Vietnam since according to Japan those are part of EAST. Anyway if the government is really that bad in some of these countries then the People's Republic might actually be supportive of China's expansion to ab extent.

Also to everyone I just wanted to confirm I will get involved IC. I've been typing up an IC for a few weeks now but kept changing what to do exactly. In the end decided the nation would send some carriers to assist its European ally and possibly to a certain western Africa nation.

[Seveth]

Some questions. My nation has several land agreements with nations in RL for agricultural reasons, and I am putting that in the IC. This wouldn't be god modding NPC's, I think, since these agreements are already made in RL or very close to being finished. However, several land acquired are in nations currently owned by players and so I was wondering what the status on them would be. The nations in question would be India(India and Myanmar), China(Mongolia), Russia(Russia and Ukraine), Philippines, Canada, Federation of the Americas(Argentina), and South Africa(Madagascar). In parenthesis are the regions or former nations that the government made arrangements with. Would those agreements continue to be respected, or have been after, for whatever reason, those nations were absorbed by others? Of course the question is targeted to the individual players.

What kind of Canadian land?

I also might as well add the new map. If there is anything I missed, let me know.
http://i.imgur.com/21FfVaH.png

[Kelmet]

Some questions. My nation has several land agreements with nations in RL for agricultural reasons, and I am putting that in the IC. This wouldn't be god modding NPC's, I think, since these agreements are already made in RL or very close to being finished. However, several land acquired are in nations currently owned by players and so I was wondering what the status on them would be. The nations in question would be India(India and Myanmar), China(Mongolia), Russia(Russia and Ukraine), Philippines, Canada, Federation of the Americas(Argentina), and South Africa(Madagascar). In parenthesis are the regions or former nations that the government made arrangements with. Would those agreements continue to be respected, or have been after, for whatever reason, those nations were absorbed by others? Of course the question is targeted to the individual players.

What kind of Canadian land?

I also might as well add the new map. If there is anything I missed, let me know.
http://i.imgur.com/21FfVaH.png

Hey, when should we have a confreres so we can establish the A.D.C? Also, did you read the A.D.C treaty?

[Epraria]

Since when did Paraguay and Uruguay join the federation of the Americas?




I still find it unrealistic

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Since when did Paraguay and Uruguay join the federation of the Americas?




I still find it unrealistic

I was wondering the same about the NUSSR and Poland...

[Senkaku]

Sorry for not quoting anyone. I am on my pho e and quoting is a difficult. Anyone all the land is strictly for agricultural purposes since the nation itself doesn't have the capacity to provide all of its own needs for food. Also if I recall correctly the deals were with national governments.

Well I would Senkaku but the time you put in your application is dangerously close to when the Korean War resumed or ended. While it wasn't very devastating it did take several years it did take a few years so unless the nation had to it wouldn't choose to go to war again with the north. To add though the Manchurian border conflicts did start around when North Korea was conquered but it didn't evolve to a main concern till later.

While that might be true it was Korea that went to China originally so that China wouldn't be offended by Korea taking the land that formerly was part of China. And yes I understand your point. And while Laos and Cambodia might be ignored by other nations I am basing it off what a character said about China taking over seven pretty large, nationalistic states with hardly a war.

Regardless Korea's response will be based on China's annexation of Mongolia and, to a lesser extent, Taiwan. If Korean investments and expats were left untouched, which seems to be right based off of what happened in Mongolia, Korea wouldn't mind too much except in the larger cases, the massive Thailand and Indonesia,. Or Singapore or Vietnam since according to Japan those are part of EAST. Anyway if the government is really that bad in some of these countries then the People's Republic might actually be supportive of China's expansion to ab extent.

Also to everyone I just wanted to confirm I will get involved IC. I've been typing up an IC for a few weeks now but kept changing what to do exactly. In the end decided the nation would send some carriers to assist its European ally and possibly to a certain western Africa nation.

Toishima told me Vietnam wasn't part of EAST, which would make sense, since China wouldn't want its puppet bloc joining an alliance specifically designed to impede its expansion.

The government in most countries is only mildly bad, but I'm thinking Cambodia has a rather shaky dictator, perhaps a bit like Lon Nol. The Chinese don't go after existing investments or expats when they take over either, so Korea shouldn't get too riled.

What Kai meant when he said he thinks he can annex all seven was not that he thinks there'll be no bloodshed. He's going to have to assassinate a number of people, purge the Politburo, and deploy the PLA as well as the militaries of annexed nations to keep the peace. There might be mutinies or riots, which will need to be put down and covered up.

So, there will be war, but it won't be declared, it won't be as large, and it won't be nearly as long or bloody as the Singapore Pincer strategy would.

[Seveth]

Since when did Paraguay and Uruguay join the federation of the Americas?




I still find it unrealistic

I was wondering the same about the NUSSR and Poland...

That's been there for a while...

Since when did Paraguay and Uruguay join the federation of the Americas?


I still find it unrealistic

I'm pretty sure it's in the IC. Kelmet brought it to my attention.

[Epraria]

I was wondering the same about the NUSSR and Poland...

That's been there for a while...

Since when did Paraguay and Uruguay join the federation of the Americas?


I still find it unrealistic

I'm pretty sure it's in the IC. Kelmet brought it to my attention.

But he never annexed them in the IC and he never did it in the app.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

I was wondering the same about the NUSSR and Poland...

That's been there for a while...

Really? He and I were talking about splitting Poland!

[Zeinbrad]

That's been there for a while...

Really? He and I were talking about splitting Poland!

That son of a bitch.

Also, anyone know anyone that is good at game development?

[Cerrania]

That's been there for a while...

Really? He and I were talking about splitting Poland!

For now it's mine, but if you want to split it we can!

[Seveth]

That's been there for a while...



I'm pretty sure it's in the IC. Kelmet brought it to my attention.

But he never annexed them in the IC and he never did it in the app.

You'll have to speak with him...

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Really? He and I were talking about splitting Poland!

For now it's mine, but if you want to split it we can!

Good... good...

Also, can you reply as Czech Republic soon? I want to know if I can expand out east...

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see you did that...

[Epraria]

But he never annexed them in the IC and he never did it in the app.

You'll have to speak with him...

Honestly why does he even bother to expand when he already got the 5 largest and richest countries in SA.