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Postby Imperium Nova » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:49 pm

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Imperium Nova wrote:Seems reasonable enough. I get land, hopefully, and without too many dead, and I don't have to fight with the Western European Federation.

And whilst you do that, I conquer all of Eastern Europe sip some coffee casually while I wait to become important :meh:

I think I look forward to cooperating with you.

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Postby Neo-Assyrian Empire » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:50 pm

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Neo-Assyrian Empire wrote:And whilst you do that, I conquer all of Eastern Europe sip some coffee casually while I wait to become important :meh:

I think I look forward to cooperating with you.

And I, you. Actually, I wonder what would happen if all of Mainland Europe, Russia, and China (And possibly America/South America) all joined a single alliance? We would be unfreaking stoppable with all of us against the World!
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Postby Toishima » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:51 pm

Senkaku wrote:Perhaps.


The Chinese have had more than thirty years to bribe and influence top leaders in these countries, all of which, with the possible exception of Malaysia, are poorer, and all of which are much less stable. Not only is China one of their biggest trade partners, China is also a regional military power, and people in SE Asia are envious of its wealth, power, and prestige. So, when the Chinese send disaster relief or donate to political parties, they like it. When Chinese companies set up shop, they enjoy that. Combine this with the tireless work of Chinese intelligence agencies in subverting government officials and politicians, and there's a nice little puppet bloc.

Not all the nations in this are realistic (for instance, I was just criticizing the Highborn Empire). But this is fiction, and we've all been accepted, and we're just gonna have to make do with what's already written at this point. :meh:

I do believe the main concern now is that China is going to become almost twice as large almost instantly and with no bloodshed at all.

Not that I have a problem with that; EAST is easily quite larger than your Sino Bloc thanks to India's recent admittance into our ranks.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:52 pm

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Imperium Nova wrote:I think I look forward to cooperating with you.

And I, you. Actually, I wonder what would happen if all of Mainland Europe, Russia, and China (And possibly America/South America) all joined a single alliance? We would be unfreaking stoppable with all of us against the World!

Sounds like a plan, Herr Rykmann :)
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Postby Neo-Assyrian Empire » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:53 pm

Imperium Nova wrote:
Neo-Assyrian Empire wrote:And I, you. Actually, I wonder what would happen if all of Mainland Europe, Russia, and China (And possibly America/South America) all joined a single alliance? We would be unfreaking stoppable with all of us against the World!

Sounds like a plan, Herr Rykmann :)

Excellent :twisted:
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Postby Parhe » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:54 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Parhe wrote:It doesn't seem very fair making nations puppet states. Maybe one or two but making all of SEA puppet states is a bit far fetched as well as a way of expanding nations.

Perhaps.


The Chinese have had more than thirty years to bribe and influence top leaders in these countries, all of which, with the possible exception of Malaysia, are poorer, and all of which are much less stable. Not only is China one of their biggest trade partners, China is also a regional military power, and people in SE Asia are envious of its wealth, power, and prestige. So, when the Chinese send disaster relief or donate to political parties, they like it. When Chinese companies set up shop, they enjoy that. Combine this with the tireless work of Chinese intelligence agencies in subverting government officials and politicians, and there's a nice little puppet bloc.

Not all the nations in this are realistic (for instance, I was just criticizing the Highborn Empire). But this is fiction, and we've all been accepted, and we're just gonna have to make do with what's already written at this point. :meh:

Okay but you have to understand other nations have interests in the same region. For instance the People's Republic(Based on what happened in RL up till this point) own a lot of land in Cambodia and Laos for agricultural and mineral resources. While my nation probably wont care about you making them into "puppet states" it will likely be drawn in if there is an invasion and your invading forces doesn't make agreements to respect the People Republic's land in the region. And outside of Laos and maybe Cambodia the people wouldn't be very excited about joining. China isn't the only nation massively investing in the region and investment doesn't mean people will want to be annexed.
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Postby Seveth » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:07 pm

Neo-Assyrian Empire wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:I think I look forward to cooperating with you.

And I, you. Actually, I wonder what would happen if all of Mainland Europe, Russia, and China (And possibly America/South America) all joined a single alliance? We would be unfreaking stoppable with all of us against the World!


If this happened, I would die on the inside, and Canada would shrivel back into a very very very very isolationist state very quickly IC.


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Toishima wrote:I have returned from the Realm of Sleep.

Senkaku: I edited out the Vietnam part and replaced it with the South Chine Sea pirates.

Zeinbrad: I own 35% of US debt alone. Go Japan.

EDIT: Also, Senkaku, Singapore is too rich and too anti-PRC to become anything near a Chinese puppet. We're too stubborn for that.

Fair 'nuff.

I think tomorrow the summit will start, and almost as soon as it ends the Chinese will annex Laos (or possibly invade. We'll see how things go.) Either way, though, the fall of Laos will be followed very quickly by the rest of China's puppet states (Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, and Indonesia), and the PRC will be undergoing some organizational change and deploying the military on a massive scale to ensure security.


Let me know when this happens so I can edit the map... :)
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Postby The New Lowlands » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:08 pm

Seveth wrote:
Neo-Assyrian Empire wrote:And I, you. Actually, I wonder what would happen if all of Mainland Europe, Russia, and China (And possibly America/South America) all joined a single alliance? We would be unfreaking stoppable with all of us against the World!


If this happened, I would die on the inside, and Canada would shrivel back into a very very very very isolationist state very quickly IC.

Canada's too big to invade.

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Postby Kelmet » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:09 pm

Seveth wrote:
Neo-Assyrian Empire wrote:And I, you. Actually, I wonder what would happen if all of Mainland Europe, Russia, and China (And possibly America/South America) all joined a single alliance? We would be unfreaking stoppable with all of us against the World!


If this happened, I would die on the inside, and Canada would shrivel back into a very very very very isolationist state very quickly IC.

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Postby Seveth » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:10 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Seveth wrote:
If this happened, I would die on the inside, and Canada would shrivel back into a very very very very isolationist state very quickly IC.

Canada's too big to invade.


Good enough point. Although that's what the French said during the Seven Year's War.

Look where that got them... ;)
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Postby Toishima » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:10 pm

Kelmet wrote:
Seveth wrote:
If this happened, I would die on the inside, and Canada would shrivel back into a very very very very isolationist state very quickly IC.

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Postby Neo-Assyrian Empire » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:11 pm

Seveth wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Canada's too big to invade.


Good enough point. Although that's what the French said during the Seven Year's War.

Look where that got them... ;)

You're not helping your case here, you know...
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Postby The New Lowlands » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:13 pm

Seveth wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Canada's too big to invade.


Good enough point. Although that's what the French said during the Seven Year's War.

Look where that got them... ;)

Quebec =/= Canada.

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Postby Kelmet » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:14 pm

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Kelmet wrote:The American defense coalition, I'm writing the treaty as we speak

The banner was made by "an anonymous Japanese corporation, though Japan has no intention of joining the ADC".

Could you re- post that banner?
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Postby Imperial City-States » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:17 pm

So.... What's going on ....
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Postby Seveth » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:18 pm

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Seveth wrote:
Good enough point. Although that's what the French said during the Seven Year's War.

Look where that got them... ;)

Quebec =/= Canada.


I know, bad comparison...
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Postby Imperium Nova » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:22 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:So.... What's going on ....

A lot of diplomacy. Also, I am not sure how my whole idea of sending an aircraft carrier to your position would work out. I mean, a Nordic team deep in the jungles of Africa would not go unnoticed.

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Postby Toishima » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:23 pm

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Toishima wrote:The banner was made by "an anonymous Japanese corporation, though Japan has no intention of joining the ADC".

Could you re- post that banner?

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Postby Parhe » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:23 pm

Toishima wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Perhaps.


The Chinese have had more than thirty years to bribe and influence top leaders in these countries, all of which, with the possible exception of Malaysia, are poorer, and all of which are much less stable. Not only is China one of their biggest trade partners, China is also a regional military power, and people in SE Asia are envious of its wealth, power, and prestige. So, when the Chinese send disaster relief or donate to political parties, they like it. When Chinese companies set up shop, they enjoy that. Combine this with the tireless work of Chinese intelligence agencies in subverting government officials and politicians, and there's a nice little puppet bloc.

Not all the nations in this are realistic (for instance, I was just criticizing the Highborn Empire). But this is fiction, and we've all been accepted, and we're just gonna have to make do with what's already written at this point. :meh:

I do believe the main concern now is that China is going to become almost twice as large almost instantly and with no bloodshed at all.

Not that I have a problem with that; EAST is easily quite larger than your Sino Bloc thanks to India's recent admittance into our ranks.

I quote since I want to support what is said here, but it is mainly addressed to Senkaku.

Also this:
"If we get Laos, the people of Southeast Asia will pressure their own governments to either request to join us or accede to another annexation. We can almost certainly get Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia without shedding a drop of blood. Yes, of course I've thought this through."

That itself a pretty controlling of the nations. You were accepted that those nations are a "essentially" satellite bloc, but being a satellite does not mean the nation will just throw itself at you to be annexed or the people will love you. Especially since the great majority of these nations are pretty cautious and distrustful of China even with investment from there.

China might be wealthy but it wasn't until at least the 2030's that China reclaimed its former glory since from 2029 to 2032 China needed Korea's help in subduing a rogue commander that took control of Manchuria from China, and even then Korea was able to negotiate taking over most of the land while China was only able to absorb the less populous northern parts of the region according to my history accepted before. So China really had less than two decades to rebuilt its former self. Also keep in mind, as I said earlier, that other nations have invested heavily in the region, perhaps just as much or more than China, and the People's Republic would actively have a military presence in South East Asia to protect its purchased/rented land.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:25 pm

So.... I've noticed there is a massive Asian alliance .... Looks like Germany is pretty fucked in their little crusade

Not jungles - desert - remember I dwell in the unhabitable zone ... Perhaps you recover a scrambled signel from one of your Satalltes and move to investigate .
It would be resonable as my faction hacks into passing Satalltes in order to get into in real time
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Postby Neo-Assyrian Empire » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:27 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:So.... I've noticed there is a massive Asian alliance .... Looks like Germany is pretty fucked in their little crusade

Not jungles - desert - remember I dwell in the unhabitable zone ... Perhaps you recover a scrambled signel from one of your Satalltes and move to investigate .
It would be resonable as my faction hacks into passing Satalltes in order to get into in real time

But it won't be in vain! For we will have the Czech Republic in the Republic of Deutschland soon! (If the OP replies as the Czech soon... hint hint)
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Postby Imperial City-States » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:29 pm

I doubt the Czech Republic will be able to help against the load of pissed off Europeans you just used chemical weapons against
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Postby Neo-Assyrian Empire » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:31 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:I doubt the Czech Republic will be able to help against the load of pissed off Europeans you just used chemical weapons against

I still get their land and resources, so that's a plus, I guess :I
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Postby Lenciland » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:46 pm

Imperium Nova wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:You could begin forcefully annexing country's that have large amounts of valuable resources I.E Ttanium and Uranium

Yeah, The Nordic has been looking for new, trading partners. *Glares at South Africa*

I'm open to trade partners. Especially nations like the Nordic Union.
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:51 pm

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Parhe wrote:Wait did Australia go to war with Europe too or did it just think about it.

Australia's going to war with the European Federation

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