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Postby Lenciland » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:12 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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Japan could hypothetically become unwritten allies with a powerful European group , this essientially let's them control the world . If they support the Nords with long range bombers the Nords are basically indebted to ally with Japan .

Like I said a strategically sound move if you want a peaceful world domination

How would they control the world this way again?

Edit: there'd still be Russia, America, the Chinese bloc, WEF, Highborn, and the Ethnarchy, none of whom seem like pushovers for this Nordic-Japanese alliance to seize, and some of which (China, WEF) are active rivals with Japan or the Nordic.

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:12 pm

Toishima wrote:
Cerrania wrote:Only issue is, if the Nordic pisses off Russia, it'll be facing a superior opponent in many aspects. Japan may find itself in a bad situation, considering Russia and Japan have a very prosperous trade union in the works.
Of course, this is from my perspective. I have no idea of Japan's intentions or favours.

Yes. Japan is trying to be the friendly next-door uncle that everyone likes. That is all. Of course, if a world war breaks out, Japan will likely side with Russia more than the Nords by way of Geography, though if Russia and China end up buddying up against them then Japan may terminate everything with Russia.

Senkaku, we already know the Chinese will take over South East Asia. It's not so easy to hide puppet leaders.

I know. So they should be worried already.


Also, if a world war breaks out, the Chinese will probably just stay out of it and make money off all the other poor bastards who're fighting or fleeing fro war-torn regions.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:15 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Toishima wrote:Yes. Japan is trying to be the friendly next-door uncle that everyone likes. That is all. Of course, if a world war breaks out, Japan will likely side with Russia more than the Nords by way of Geography, though if Russia and China end up buddying up against them then Japan may terminate everything with Russia.

Senkaku, we already know the Chinese will take over South East Asia. It's not so easy to hide puppet leaders.

I know. So they should be worried already.


Also, if a world war breaks out, the Chinese will probably just stay out of it and make money off all the other poor bastards who're fighting or fleeing fro war-torn regions.




Hey my idea was to sell lower grade technology to the highest bidder , like in the league of extrodary gentlemen movie with Sean Connery
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Postby Toishima » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:15 pm

Senkaku wrote:I know. So they should be worried already.


Also, if a world war breaks out, the Chinese will probably just stay out of it and make money off all the other poor bastards who're fighting or fleeing fro war-torn regions.

We have plans, as always. You'd be surprised by the sheer detail and hours I put into them; though I can't show them to you, of course. Most revolve around regional security and Japan's defense. Likewise, Japan will likely sit out a World War as a neutral fortress, maybe occasionally doing nonsense with supposedly third-party UN interventions.
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Postby Cerrania » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:16 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Toishima wrote:Yes. Japan is trying to be the friendly next-door uncle that everyone likes. That is all. Of course, if a world war breaks out, Japan will likely side with Russia more than the Nords by way of Geography, though if Russia and China end up buddying up against them then Japan may terminate everything with Russia.

Senkaku, we already know the Chinese will take over South East Asia. It's not so easy to hide puppet leaders.

I know. So they should be worried already.


Also, if a world war breaks out, the Chinese will probably just stay out of it and make money off all the other poor bastards who're fighting or fleeing fro war-torn regions.

Russia...probably will do something similar. They'll send low-level assistance to countries that it finds useful or thinks would pay them back in the future.
Also, no meta-gaming this, but Russia especially loves using unmarked technology that is an uncommon(if not totally unknown) sight in regular Russian military to aid foreign countries.(i.e. an unmarked F-36 Raptor might launch full payload at the Nordic invasion of Britain, or something like that.)
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:17 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:I would consider supporting Japan against China .

As well as forming an alliance between the Nords, Japanese , South Afrikans and myself


Also didn't Japan Ally with America ?

Oh heavens. The small nation of people who live in an unihabitable wasteland a continent and a half away are going to support the small island nation and its allies against most of the rest of Eastern Asia, who have a strong military and lots of cheap clone soldiers.
You may have advanced tech, but I'm pretty sure a few thousand Highborn soldiers could definitely get taken down by an armored regiment or three.

The Chinese don't want a war, and while they'd lose a metric shitton of men and material doing it, they could probably beat off the Japanese, Filipinos, and the Indians and squash Korea and Singapore.
But if there is one, the Chinese will pay a lot more to the Highborn for their tech.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:18 pm

I guess you could say I'm an Oppertunist

I do have a large fleet of Dropships but I am aware of my lack of a navy
I have no doubt I would Suffer large casualties and more then Likly be destroyed .
However you would suffer atrocious losses , and I'm not sure you'd want to spend time fighting in Afrika when your fighting other Asian nations


How much are we talking here for tech....
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Postby Toishima » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:20 pm

Likewise, Japan has no intention of attacking China if China does not attack Japan. The whole archipelago will be fortified to the point where any invasion will end badly. After all, only one branch, the smallest one, of the military is fully prepared for attacks and such. We are still largely on a defensive stance.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:22 pm

Toishima wrote:Likewise, Japan has no intention of attacking China if China does not attack Japan. The whole archipelago will be fortified to the point where any invasion will end badly. After all, only one branch, the smallest one, of the military is fully prepared for attacks and such. We are still largely on a defensive stance.

The Chinese have no interest in taking over Japan with force. They just want to sideline them so they're not a threat, and, if possible, peacefully absorb them or make an alliance.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:23 pm

Nazi Germany "peacefully" absorbed Czechslavoakia .....
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:24 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:Nazi Germany "peacefully" absorbed Czechslavoakia .....

I actually meant peaceful when I said it.


Amazing, right? :p
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Postby Imperial City-States » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:26 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:Nazi Germany "peacefully" absorbed Czechslavoakia .....

I actually meant peaceful when I said it.


Amazing, right? :p



I'm an American, what is this "peace " you speak of ?
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Postby Seveth » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:27 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
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You said it in the OOC. I figured that would be the plan you would be implementing at some point.

I decided to not do it.


I was also going to add the fact that abandoning your people and destroying their jobs and livelihoods in order to save England is something Canada strongly disagrees with.
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Postby Toishima » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:28 pm

Senkaku wrote:The Chinese have no interest in taking over Japan with force. They just want to sideline them so they're not a threat, and, if possible, peacefully absorb them or make an alliance.

An alliance would be absurdly powerful. The idea itself is so exciting. I doubt Japan will allow itself to peacefully become part of the PRC, though. The Japanese people are too proud to allow the Chugokujin to take over.

China will not be able to sideline Japan either. With Singapore still allies with Japan, trade with the west can still continue at our own leisure. Our businesses and economy are too large to just be cast aside by a nation with such odd aspirations as moving troops beyond the asteroid belt.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:29 pm

Seveth wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:I decided to not do it.


I was also going to add the fact that abandoning your people and destroying their jobs and livelihoods in order to save England is something Canada strongly disagrees with.

Your missing the part where they come back.

Oh, and where not destroying jobs, just stuff like fuel and ammo depots. Or taking it all.
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Postby Seveth » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:33 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Seveth wrote:
I was also going to add the fact that abandoning your people and destroying their jobs and livelihoods in order to save England is something Canada strongly disagrees with.

Your missing the part where they come back.

Oh, and where not destroying jobs, just stuff like fuel and ammo depots. Or taking it all.


What about industrial complexes? You said you were going to destroy those too.
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Postby Toishima » Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:34 pm

I have decided to go ahead with the bombing campaign anyway. Just a show of force.

Forget it, my advisors have changed my mind about this. An unforeseen consequence of such campaign is that the bombers would be violating many nations' airspaces before reaching England. This will not do.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:08 pm

You could go over the northern pole .. Have aerial refueling at the half way mark , would circumvent the entire issue .


Or gain access to travel south over annexed territory and over northern Africa refueling there in the air and routing north to England though the ocean at international airspace
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:20 pm

Um...Seveth, why are you withdrawning support? You realize I haven't done any of the things I said in the IC?
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Postby Imperial City-States » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:23 pm

If he believes something is no longer is in the best interest of his nation it is wise to withdraw support . It is generally a good idea to not be on the losing side
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:24 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:If he believes something is no longer is in the best interest of his nation it is wise to withdraw support . It is generally a good idea to not be on the losing side

IT'S BEEN A FEW DAYS!

Stop thinking the UK military is in ruins, or we are losing when the Nordic haven't even landed yet!
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Postby Imperial City-States » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:26 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:If he believes something is no longer is in the best interest of his nation it is wise to withdraw support . It is generally a good idea to not be on the losing side

IT'S BEEN A FEW DAYS!

Stop thinking the UK military is in ruins, or we are losing when the Nordic haven't even landed yet!



In under a week the US military utterly destroyed the Iraqi Army while largely outnumbered .
A hell of a lot can happen in a few days .
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:27 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:IT'S BEEN A FEW DAYS!

Stop thinking the UK military is in ruins, or we are losing when the Nordic haven't even landed yet!



In under a week the US military utterly destroyed the Iraqi Army while largely outnumbered .
A hell of a lot can happen in a few days .

The US was much more modern then the Iraqi army, the British military is a modern military.
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Postby Seveth » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:30 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:Um...Seveth, why are you withdrawning support? You realize I haven't done any of the things I said in the IC?


I know, but Canada found out about your plans, and based on the reports of its agents in the field, has determined that the war isn't winnable no matter how much support it pushes in.

Blame the legislature for making a rash decision. :p
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Postby Zeinbrad » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:31 pm

Seveth wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:Um...Seveth, why are you withdrawning support? You realize I haven't done any of the things I said in the IC?


I know, but Canada found out about your plans, and based on the reports of its agents in the field, has determined that the war isn't winnable no matter how much support it pushes in.

Blame the legislature for making a rash decision. :p

You guys where saying that the Nordic would lose if the British had allies a week ago.

Why the sudden change?
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