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Postby Imperial City-States » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:01 pm

Toishima wrote:
Photana wrote:Question for Japan:
How is your population? If you want to keep to real world statistics, you should be suffering from under-population from the oldest, largest generation of society dying off and not being replaced. You should be trying to solve that.
Just some food for thought.

Screw real-world statistics and nonsense such as "realism". Let us all have spider tanks!

Anyway, my population is fine, largely because, immediately after Abe's term and the next PM came in, major population reforms were done. People were encouraged to have more children with a lot of state hand-holding, subsidised everything, free full-time child cares and basically free education for all children. The "herbivorous men" issue was partially solved by having government-sponsored dating websites and societies, as well as sexual training camps. At first, these were of course awkward and shunned by society, but over time became a novelty and then became popular, much like other weird trends in today's world. The overly-selective women thing could not be solved just immediately, though efforts were made by private organisations and help groups to train men to live up the women's standards as well as make women less selective. The government only funded these groups, since even the government could not change people's mindsets and they were very unpopular at the time due to the PM's near-war with Korea. Larger families were also encouraged, with each successful birth coming with free government dollars or prizes, like cars ("Population Growth Encouragement", unofficially known as "Hump for Cash"). With the economy going as well as it was, a few thousand dollars did not matter much.

The goal here was to solve everything caused by the baby boomers, who were now dying left and right. The population thus suffered a major drop in the 2020s as everyone who had sang kimigayo under the rising sun flag began to drop off. The under-population problem was not in 2050 ("now") but rather in the 2030s, where literally half of the nation died. Luckily, though, all of that investment in the 2010s to 2030s by the government allowed the population to increase slowly through the late 2030s and 2050s, eventually settling at around roughly the same as 2010s Japan by 2050. The problem now is the opposite of what Japan was facing earlier, with a major percentage of the population as small children or teens. The problem is regional as well. Rich areas like Tokyo experience under-population due to the people there not wanting to lose their jobs to start a family, while poorer regions like Hokkaido and Kansai end up with massive populations as the poorer people shit out kids to get the government money.



A few points I'd like to make -

- I am the only person who claimed to use "spider tanks"

-in an urban environment they have much greater maneuverability compared to traditional tanks , this argument is dead and buried on several accounts , as I'm not using conventional cannons recoil isn't such a huge issue .
Are we talking about the same design here ?
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Postby Imperial City-States » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:03 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:

I don't know the fact that your under siege from a much larger military force and I highly doubt your industrial centers are in Prestine condition

You act like he has me surrounded, or that all English industrial centers are near the coast or in his range.



News flash , a Cruise missile can pass over the entirety of England and hit a ship on the Far side , Your not in 1940 where cruise missiles were first being made (V1) Any coordinated attack would be using Cruise missiles , every modern army had some form of them
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Postby Imperial City-States » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:03 pm

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Any attempt to track this signal to its location of origin will result in the satellite that this message routed though to self-destruct .

What?



It's a bluff no need to worry
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Postby Zeinbrad » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:08 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:You act like he has me surrounded, or that all English industrial centers are near the coast or in his range.



News flash , a Cruise missile can pass over the entirety of England and hit a ship on the Far side , Your not in 1940 where cruise missiles were first being made (V1) Any coordinated attack would be using Cruise missiles , every modern army had some form of them

The thing is....He's attacking my Coast, not my inland.
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Postby Lenciland » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:09 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:
Lenciland wrote:What?



It's a bluff no need to worry

I should hope so for my sake as I would have no choice but to send you a strongly worded letter bout respecting other people's property.
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Postby Seveth » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:10 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:

News flash , a Cruise missile can pass over the entirety of England and hit a ship on the Far side , Your not in 1940 where cruise missiles were first being made (V1) Any coordinated attack would be using Cruise missiles , every modern army had some form of them

The thing is....He's attacking my Coast, not my inland.


Actually he's attacking both...

And here's a new map. You guys are really running through them.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:12 pm

Seveth wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:The thing is....He's attacking my Coast, not my inland.


Actually he's attacking both...

Yeah, the southern part I'm guessing, not the Northern.

In fact, I may just use the north to take out his reinforcements.
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Postby Seveth » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:13 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Seveth wrote:
Actually he's attacking both...

Yeah, the southern part I'm guessing, not the Northern.

In fact, I may just use the north to take out his reinforcements.


I was under the impression that he was taking out all of your military installations throughout the country.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:14 pm

Seveth wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:Yeah, the southern part I'm guessing, not the Northern.

In fact, I may just use the north to take out his reinforcements.


I was under the impression that he was taking out all of your military installations throughout the country.

I'm under the impression that he just wants to pave a way to London.
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Postby Seveth » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:16 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Seveth wrote:
I was under the impression that he was taking out all of your military installations throughout the country.

I'm under the impression that he just wants to pave a way to London.

Imperium Nova wrote:

The artilleries and missiles had been firing away for a good time now, and any possible defense positions on the shores set up by the British were decimated, at least according to von Ackerssols and the other officers expectations. The Royal Air Force was still not to be seen, and so, in anticipation the fighters that had now scoured the English lands would assemble and navigate for any resistance and assist the bombers in their missions to obliterate the English air bases first and foremost, to secure Nordic air superiority. After that they would target on various English military bases, but that would be in the future.

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Postby Zeinbrad » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:19 pm

Seveth wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:I'm under the impression that he just wants to pave a way to London.

Imperium Nova wrote:

The artilleries and missiles had been firing away for a good time now, and any possible defense positions on the shores set up by the British were decimated, at least according to von Ackerssols and the other officers expectations. The Royal Air Force was still not to be seen, and so, in anticipation the fighters that had now scoured the English lands would assemble and navigate for any resistance and assist the bombers in their missions to obliterate the English air bases first and foremost, to secure Nordic air superiority. After that they would target on various English military bases, but that would be in the future.


I image his forces would be occupied with the continues British attacks.

And taking out the Missile and Coastal batteries.
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Postby Seveth » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:20 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Seveth wrote:

I image his forces would be occupied with the continues British attacks.

And taking out the Missile and Coastal batteries.


Who knows at this point. This Nordic invasion is so confusing.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:27 pm

Seveth wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:I image his forces would be occupied with the continues British attacks.

And taking out the Missile and Coastal batteries.


Who knows at this point. This Nordic invasion is so confusing.

Anyways, some top gun pilots just attacked the Nordic fleet, in my plan to getting better shots at the Nordic fleet and keeping the Nordic air force in limbo, as they try to take out targets while protecting the fleet.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:37 pm

Wait the pilots that would be detected by AWACS the moment they left the runway and would have squadrons of interceptors waiting for them a the halfway point ?

SOP of most navies is to keep several squadrons of aircraft at the Carriers for air defense , this would be combine with long range AA missiles to engage your planes at dozens of miles away
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Postby Zeinbrad » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:41 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:Wait the pilots that would be detected by AWACS the moment they left the runway and would have squadrons of interceptors waiting for them a the halfway point ?

He never said he had AWACS.

Plus, most of his aircraft are getting shot out of the sky right now, and his (Or at least one) Aircraft carrier is sinking.

This Nordic invasion if turning in my favor, Me thinks.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:43 pm

AWACS is present on every Navel vessel and again SOP is to have at least two AWACS craft in the air constantly , read up on SOP's more and it might help you out in the long run .
England simply lacks the manpower to beat the Nords

And most is a relative term

It could be "most " in one area

Or "most " in the entire theatre
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Postby Toishima » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:44 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:

A few points I'd like to make -

- I am the only person who claimed to use "spider tanks"

-in an urban environment they have much greater maneuverability compared to traditional tanks , this argument is dead and buried on several accounts , as I'm not using conventional cannons recoil isn't such a huge issue .
Are we talking about the same design here ?

Firstly, I was joking, the spider tanks reference was nothing compared to the rest of the post.

Anyway, in this so-called urban environment, no vehicles have great maneuverability. The last time I argued about this you said that your spider tanks are like Starcraft dragoons in terms of leg arrangement. With the legs splayed out like this, there are a thousand things that could stop it from moving in an urban environment or get stuck on, like windows, manholes, potholes, cars, roadside crap, etc. One-way streets between buildings, which light tanks may be able to squeeze through, will block your legs. Tanks are simple- Drive through anything in the way. Your spider tanks, I don't know how they are controlled, will need a hell of a lot of leg micromanagement just to walk through a car-filled street, unless they are really tall. In that case, good luck with power lines, billboards, traffic lights, etc.

This argument will never be dead and buried until you agree sincerely that your spider tanks, no matter what design they may use, are impossible in real life. 倍返し! 
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Postby Seveth » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:45 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Imperial City-States wrote:Wait the pilots that would be detected by AWACS the moment they left the runway and would have squadrons of interceptors waiting for them a the halfway point ?

He never said he had AWACS.

Plus, most of his aircraft are getting shot out of the sky right now, and his (Or at least one) Aircraft carrier is sinking.

This Nordic invasion if turning in my favor, Me thinks.


No, I really don't think so. It's like Imperial said, your squadron would have barely gotten off the ground much less made it to the ships in one piece or been able to take out more than one or two of his planes.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:48 pm

Imperial City-States wrote:AWACS is present on every Navel vessel and again SOP is to have at least two in the air constantly , read up on SOP's more and it might help you out in the long run .
England simply lacks the manpower to beat the Nords

And most is a relative term

It could be "most " in one area

Or "most " in the entire theatre

We now nothing about Nordic standard operation procedure, his generals came in thinking this would be an easy victory, they set their entire air compliment to take out my airbases, and they are getting blown out of the sky.His ship captains where too incompetent to see my submarines, and where not in position.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:51 pm

A much better option would be using Tactial Missile Submarines to fire ASM's forward the enemy fleet en mass , while the AWACS is cluttered with incoming Cruise Missile traffic Aircraft could slip in though the chaos , IMHO your best bet is to have what forces you have remaining flee to Greenland or Iceland and begin prep to take back England , have military commando groups to under ground to support resistance movements .

If you can convince Canada and other Allies to ask you have them also send supplies and such to your secondary rally point , when you build enough strength cruise missiles with EMP warheads detonated at a high alltitude would wipe most radios , Radar , AWACS and targeting systems as they can not be protected by Faraday cages , under the Nords temporary blindness a combine cruise missile , drone attack on key Military strongpoints and command centers to scatter enemy forces , second wave is of strike fighters supported by interceptors , you will have the air entirely to yourself for several days as all of the avionics will be burnt out of enemy aircraft .'at which point this gives you time to land allied troops and begin retaking England before the enemy can coordinate a counter offensive ..... Your welcome

Avoid Nuclear weapons as you don't want to detonate them on your own soil , entire operations would require several months build up (if not years depending on the scale ) and several months to a few weeks to crush Nordic forces

You would also have to fire the missiles en mass to avoid possibility of them malfcuntiojin or bein shot down
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Postby Zeinbrad » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:51 pm

Seveth wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:He never said he had AWACS.

Plus, most of his aircraft are getting shot out of the sky right now, and his (Or at least one) Aircraft carrier is sinking.

This Nordic invasion if turning in my favor, Me thinks.


No, I really don't think so. It's like Imperial said, your squadron would have barely gotten off the ground much less made it to the ships in one piece or been able to take out more than one or two of his planes.

I would agree if you, if we knew what Nordic SOP was.

So far, they seem to lack in defense.
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Postby Imperial City-States » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:54 pm

Not a flawless plan but it should sure as hell help
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Postby Toishima » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:54 pm

So the OP is taking over Korea and India? Damnit. Do not control their nations at all beyond this one event. I will not appreciate it if you screw up my allies in the region.
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Postby Seveth » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:55 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Seveth wrote:
No, I really don't think so. It's like Imperial said, your squadron would have barely gotten off the ground much less made it to the ships in one piece or been able to take out more than one or two of his planes.

I would agree if you, if we knew what Nordic SOP was.

So far, they seem to lack in defense.


Considering we are 40 years in the future and the SOP of most modernized countries in real life now have something similar to what Imperial is mentioning, to even consider the fact that a modern society like the Nords in the IC don't have something more advanced or have continued to implement the same procedure is going into denial.

I am your ally in the IC. If there was any plausible way around this, I would let you know.
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