W40K In Service to the Imperium: Episode 5 (OOC/OPEN/Reboot)

[Imperial City-States]

Technically the Commissar's have no command ability over Imperial Guard units , unless they are awarded the rank of Colonel Commissar because of extreme circumstances. A Commissar's words are generally followed out of fear of receiving a bolt to the brain pan

[Legital]

Technically the Commissar's have no command ability over Imperial Guard units , unless they are awarded the rank of Colonel Commissar because of extreme circumstances. A Commissar's words are generally followed out of fear of receiving a bolt to the brain pan

Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, and next on the list would be Colonel-Commissar, which he shall get by brevet so I can fully take command of the regiment as the OP since our other Colonel is not here.

[Imperial City-States]

Technically the Commissar's have no command ability over Imperial Guard units , unless they are awarded the rank of Colonel Commissar because of extreme circumstances. A Commissar's words are generally followed out of fear of receiving a bolt to the brain pan

Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, and next on the list would be Colonel-Commissar, which he shall get by brevet so I can fully take command of the regiment as the OP since our other Colonel is not here.

And my Captain is by no mean's obligated to listen to another officer of equivalent rank as the Commsariat technically has no military authority. As Klaus is unaware of the CPT-COM situation his reaction is reasonable IMO as it's a rather rare thing for a Commissar to become an officer.

[The Nihilistic view]

Technically the Commissar's have no command ability over Imperial Guard units , unless they are awarded the rank of Colonel Commissar because of extreme circumstances. A Commissar's words are generally followed out of fear of receiving a bolt to the brain pan

Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, and next on the list would be Colonel-Commissar, which he shall get by brevet so I can fully take command of the regiment as the OP since our other Colonel is not here.

You can't brevet Amsel on his own authority. You need somebody with the power to do that to be present on the battlefield.

EDIT: In this case a Lord commissar or commissar General. Neither of which are known to present on Pan Arcadia by any of our IC characters. Even if you decide to invent one somewhere else on the planet and they happen to get in touch that won't happen in time for Imps entry to the fort.

[The Nihilistic view]

Current next in command in the absence of the Colonel is Major Vanhayn.

[The Nihilistic view]

Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, and next on the list would be Colonel-Commissar, which he shall get by brevet so I can fully take command of the regiment as the OP since our other Colonel is not here.

And my Captain is by no mean's obligated to listen to another officer of equivalent rank as the Commsariat technically has no military authority. As Klaus is unaware of the CPT-COM situation his reaction is reasonable IMO as it's a rather rare thing for a Commissar to become an officer.

The word used in the fluff is extraordinary.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, and next on the list would be Colonel-Commissar, which he shall get by brevet so I can fully take command of the regiment as the OP since our other Colonel is not here.

And my Captain is by no mean's obligated to listen to another officer of equivalent rank as the Commsariat technically has no military authority. As Klaus is unaware of the CPT-COM situation his reaction is reasonable IMO as it's a rather rare thing for a Commissar to become an officer.

He is obligated for the sake of the Emperor, as refusing to cooperate would be detrimental to serving out His will.

Technically the Commissar's have no command ability over Imperial Guard units , unless they are awarded the rank of Colonel Commissar because of extreme circumstances. A Commissar's words are generally followed out of fear of receiving a bolt to the brain pan

Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, and next on the list would be Colonel-Commissar, which he shall get by brevet so I can fully take command of the regiment as the OP since our other Colonel is not here.

That would be impossible. Just chalk it up to respect for Amsel, or leave it to a vote.

[Legital]

The commissariat has the power to take on command authority for several occasions, such as an officer failing to perform to standards. A commissar would take command there. In this case, the Colonel is incapacitated, and all the company commanders need to be kept within their realm of specialty. Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, holding a duel officer and commissariat rank. He is capable of being a Colonel-Commissar.

As he is an exceptional leader and of a good tactical mind, he will be the one to take command of the regiment. Vanhayn would be the next in rank, technically, but the contenders would be the other couple regiment majors. Seniority would have to be established, which there is no time to do.

Amsel is taking command on authority granted to him by the commissariat, and taking on a brevet of colonel as Colonel-Commissar. To remove a major from their company and place them in command of the regiment could cause several issues in it's own, such as finding a suitable company replacement. Perhaps the second of a company is not a good leader, and then suddenly now a company is not performing to top standards. As it seems, the vast majority of officers in each company are quite competent. To move that structure around would do more harm than good. That is why Amsel will be taking command. Also, for sake of me being OP, I need to be able to steer the regiment in the right direction.

[Imperial City-States]

Either way , the Vakarian's have done what they will and aren't going to change. Everyone is on edge because of the PDF and Klaus is likely under just as much suspicion about the base as the defenders are about the convoy.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The commissariat has the power to take on command authority for several occasions, such as an officer failing to perform to standards. A commissar would take command there. In this case, the Colonel is incapacitated, and all the company commanders need to be kept within their realm of specialty. Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, holding a duel officer and commissariat rank. He is capable of being a Colonel-Commissar.

As he is an exceptional leader and of a good tactical mind, he will be the one to take command of the regiment. Vanhayn would be the next in rank, technically, but the contenders would be the other couple regiment majors. Seniority would have to be established, which there is no time to do.

Amsel is taking command on authority granted to him by the commissariat, and taking on a brevet of colonel as Colonel-Commissar. To remove a major from their company and place them in command of the regiment could cause several issues in it's own, such as finding a suitable company replacement. Perhaps the second of a company is not a good leader, and then suddenly now a company is not performing to top standards. As it seems, the vast majority of officers in each company are quite competent. To move that structure around would do more harm than good. That is why Amsel will be taking command. Also, for sake of me being OP, I need to be able to steer the regiment in the right direction.

Can you do that? Promote yourself?

[Imperial City-States]

The commissariat has the power to take on command authority for several occasions, such as an officer failing to perform to standards. A commissar would take command there. In this case, the Colonel is incapacitated, and all the company commanders need to be kept within their realm of specialty. Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, holding a duel officer and commissariat rank. He is capable of being a Colonel-Commissar.

As he is an exceptional leader and of a good tactical mind, he will be the one to take command of the regiment. Vanhayn would be the next in rank, technically, but the contenders would be the other couple regiment majors. Seniority would have to be established, which there is no time to do.

Amsel is taking command on authority granted to him by the commissariat, and taking on a brevet of colonel as Colonel-Commissar. To remove a major from their company and place them in command of the regiment could cause several issues in it's own, such as finding a suitable company replacement. Perhaps the second of a company is not a good leader, and then suddenly now a company is not performing to top standards. As it seems, the vast majority of officers in each company are quite competent. To move that structure around would do more harm than good. That is why Amsel will be taking command. Also, for sake of me being OP, I need to be able to steer the regiment in the right direction.

Can you do that? Promote yourself?

Who's gonna tell a Commi he can't do something ? Besides , in my app it talks about how commi's mysteriously suffer from Friendly fire incidents with regularity ....

[The Nihilistic view]

The commissariat has the power to take on command authority for several occasions, such as an officer failing to perform to standards. A commissar would take command there. In this case, the Colonel is incapacitated, and all the company commanders need to be kept within their realm of specialty. Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, holding a duel officer and commissariat rank. He is capable of being a Colonel-Commissar.

As he is an exceptional leader and of a good tactical mind, he will be the one to take command of the regiment. Vanhayn would be the next in rank, technically, but the contenders would be the other couple regiment majors. Seniority would have to be established, which there is no time to do.

Amsel is taking command on authority granted to him by the commissariat, and taking on a brevet of colonel as Colonel-Commissar. To remove a major from their company and place them in command of the regiment could cause several issues in it's own, such as finding a suitable company replacement. Perhaps the second of a company is not a good leader, and then suddenly now a company is not performing to top standards. As it seems, the vast majority of officers in each company are quite competent. To move that structure around would do more harm than good. That is why Amsel will be taking command. Also, for sake of me being OP, I need to be able to steer the regiment in the right direction.

Can you do that? Promote yourself?

No, don't be silly. Nobody can promote themselves. Not even commissars.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Can you do that? Promote yourself?

Who's gonna tell a Commi he can't do something ?

Another commissar of course.

Besides , in my app it talks about how commi's mysteriously suffer from Friendly fire incidents with regularity ....

Try that on Amsel and at least three companies will want the perpetrators dead.

[Imperial City-States]

Who's gonna tell a Commi he can't do something ?

Another commissar of course.

Besides , in my app it talks about how commi's mysteriously suffer from Friendly fire incidents with regularity ....

Try that on Amsel and at least three companies will want the perpetrators dead.

No idea what you're talking about , we were engaged in a fire-fight and the poor bastard stood whist we were laying down suppressive fire. Besides , only happens to Commies who are in the 82nd Vakarian , they don't fuck with anyone elses game. I don't have any intentions of doing it to a player run commi

[The Nihilistic view]

The commissariat has the power to take on command authority for several occasions, such as an officer failing to perform to standards. A commissar would take command there. In this case, the Colonel is incapacitated, and all the company commanders need to be kept within their realm of specialty. Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, holding a duel officer and commissariat rank. He is capable of being a Colonel-Commissar.

As he is an exceptional leader and of a good tactical mind, he will be the one to take command of the regiment. Vanhayn would be the next in rank, technically, but the contenders would be the other couple regiment majors. Seniority would have to be established, which there is no time to do.

Amsel is taking command on authority granted to him by the commissariat, and taking on a brevet of colonel as Colonel-Commissar. To remove a major from their company and place them in command of the regiment could cause several issues in it's own, such as finding a suitable company replacement. Perhaps the second of a company is not a good leader, and then suddenly now a company is not performing to top standards. As it seems, the vast majority of officers in each company are quite competent. To move that structure around would do more harm than good. That is why Amsel will be taking command. Also, for sake of me being OP, I need to be able to steer the regiment in the right direction.

That can be done in other ways than by taking illegal actions and expecting everyone to follow them.

The occasions that commissars have the power to take command is if they execute an officer or senior NCO. In this case to hold the authority to command Amsel would have to execute at least the Major, the DSM the four captains, Imps captain who is just entering the base the commander and it's debatable whether he would have to also execute the lieutenants and other senior sergeants or not.

[Imperial City-States]

well I don't see a problem with it as far as getting the storying rolling

[Legital]

The commissariat has the power to take on command authority for several occasions, such as an officer failing to perform to standards. A commissar would take command there. In this case, the Colonel is incapacitated, and all the company commanders need to be kept within their realm of specialty. Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, holding a duel officer and commissariat rank. He is capable of being a Colonel-Commissar.

As he is an exceptional leader and of a good tactical mind, he will be the one to take command of the regiment. Vanhayn would be the next in rank, technically, but the contenders would be the other couple regiment majors. Seniority would have to be established, which there is no time to do.

Amsel is taking command on authority granted to him by the commissariat, and taking on a brevet of colonel as Colonel-Commissar. To remove a major from their company and place them in command of the regiment could cause several issues in it's own, such as finding a suitable company replacement. Perhaps the second of a company is not a good leader, and then suddenly now a company is not performing to top standards. As it seems, the vast majority of officers in each company are quite competent. To move that structure around would do more harm than good. That is why Amsel will be taking command. Also, for sake of me being OP, I need to be able to steer the regiment in the right direction.

Can you do that? Promote yourself?

No idea. Likely no, not at all. However, I mentioned a point in having the Thermidorian Commissar and the Stormtrooper Major bearing witness to the occasion in lack of there being proper paper work to fill out for the occasion of a grant of brevet rank in my upcoming post. I mean, it is a pretty big emergency situation. The highest rank would be one of the majors. Again, company commanders. Amsel is the ranking commissariat official.

The brevent rank is, of course, temporary until the campaign is over. My points stand for my reasoning in my above post. I find it to be the most logical choice at the moment. The commissariat retains the power to work things out in emergency situations.

The commissariat has the power to take on command authority for several occasions, such as an officer failing to perform to standards. A commissar would take command there. In this case, the Colonel is incapacitated, and all the company commanders need to be kept within their realm of specialty. Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, holding a duel officer and commissariat rank. He is capable of being a Colonel-Commissar.

As he is an exceptional leader and of a good tactical mind, he will be the one to take command of the regiment. Vanhayn would be the next in rank, technically, but the contenders would be the other couple regiment majors. Seniority would have to be established, which there is no time to do.

Amsel is taking command on authority granted to him by the commissariat, and taking on a brevet of colonel as Colonel-Commissar. To remove a major from their company and place them in command of the regiment could cause several issues in it's own, such as finding a suitable company replacement. Perhaps the second of a company is not a good leader, and then suddenly now a company is not performing to top standards. As it seems, the vast majority of officers in each company are quite competent. To move that structure around would do more harm than good. That is why Amsel will be taking command. Also, for sake of me being OP, I need to be able to steer the regiment in the right direction.

That can be done in other ways than by taking illegal actions and expecting everyone to follow them.

The occasions that commissars have the power to take command is if they execute an officer or senior NCO. In this case to hold the authority to command Amsel would have to execute at least the Major, the DSM the four captains, Imps captain who is just entering the base the commander and it's debatable whether he would have to also execute the lieutenants and other senior sergeants or not.

That in itself would be an illegal action, eliminating core command officers for the sake of a promotion. Which, as mentioned, is simply a brevet position that is temporary.

As my post might not be up until tomorrow or Friday, what is your suggestion? I am leaning heavily towards Amsel becoming a brevet Colonel-Commissar.

[Imperial City-States]

If Amsel becomes the Commanding officer over the Vakarian 82nd , Klaus and the men in his unit are going to have some severe issues. Granted it would add a very interesting dynamic having people who want an excuse to shoot you in the back. I think it'd be neat for story purpose

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The commissariat has the power to take on command authority for several occasions, such as an officer failing to perform to standards. A commissar would take command there. In this case, the Colonel is incapacitated, and all the company commanders need to be kept within their realm of specialty. Amsel is a Captain-Commissar, holding a duel officer and commissariat rank. He is capable of being a Colonel-Commissar.

As he is an exceptional leader and of a good tactical mind, he will be the one to take command of the regiment. Vanhayn would be the next in rank, technically, but the contenders would be the other couple regiment majors. Seniority would have to be established, which there is no time to do.

Amsel is taking command on authority granted to him by the commissariat, and taking on a brevet of colonel as Colonel-Commissar. To remove a major from their company and place them in command of the regiment could cause several issues in it's own, such as finding a suitable company replacement. Perhaps the second of a company is not a good leader, and then suddenly now a company is not performing to top standards. As it seems, the vast majority of officers in each company are quite competent. To move that structure around would do more harm than good. That is why Amsel will be taking command. Also, for sake of me being OP, I need to be able to steer the regiment in the right direction.

That can be done in other ways than by taking illegal actions and expecting everyone to follow them.

The occasions that commissars have the power to take command is if they execute an officer or senior NCO. In this case to hold the authority to command Amsel would have to execute at least the Major, the DSM the four captains, Imps captain who is just entering the base the commander and it's debatable whether he would have to also execute the lieutenants and other senior sergeants or not.

As a captain-commissar and a veteran of at least three campaigns alongside the Major, he certainly holds seniority over other captains as well as enough respect from Vanhayn to be commander overall.

Can you do that? Promote yourself?

No idea. Likely no, not at all. However, I mentioned a point in having the Thermidorian Commissar and the Stormtrooper Major bearing witness to the occasion in lack of there being proper paper work to fill out for the occasion of a grant of brevet rank in my upcoming post. I mean, it is a pretty big emergency situation. The highest rank would be one of the majors. Again, company commanders. Amsel is the ranking commissariat official.

The brevent rank is, of course, temporary until the campaign is over. My points stand for my reasoning in my above post. I find it to be the most logical choice at the moment. The commissariat retains the power to work things out in emergency situations.

That can be done in other ways than by taking illegal actions and expecting everyone to follow them.

The occasions that commissars have the power to take command is if they execute an officer or senior NCO. In this case to hold the authority to command Amsel would have to execute at least the Major, the DSM the four captains, Imps captain who is just entering the base the commander and it's debatable whether he would have to also execute the lieutenants and other senior sergeants or not.

That in itself would be an illegal action, eliminating core command officers for the sake of a promotion. Which, as mentioned, is simply a brevet position that is temporary.

As my post might not be up until tomorrow or Friday, what is your suggestion? I am leaning heavily towards Amsel becoming a brevet Colonel-Commissar.

He may not receive a brevet for colonel unless someone of appropriate rank (general or higher) gives it to him. Why can't we just concede that, yes, this commissar and proven commander should be in charge regardless of rank?

[The Nihilistic view]

ICly Major Vanhayn should take command. But that's not to say that OOCly you can't TG Aelosia with instructions on what direction we should head in to play out the RP as OP.

[Imperial City-States]

I'd say let it go for sake of moving the story along , however it can be addressed at a later date ICly

[Legital]

That can be done in other ways than by taking illegal actions and expecting everyone to follow them.

The occasions that commissars have the power to take command is if they execute an officer or senior NCO. In this case to hold the authority to command Amsel would have to execute at least the Major, the DSM the four captains, Imps captain who is just entering the base the commander and it's debatable whether he would have to also execute the lieutenants and other senior sergeants or not.

As a captain-commissar and a veteran of at least three campaigns alongside the Major, he certainly holds seniority over other captains as well as enough respect from Vanhayn to be commander overall.

No idea. Likely no, not at all. However, I mentioned a point in having the Thermidorian Commissar and the Stormtrooper Major bearing witness to the occasion in lack of there being proper paper work to fill out for the occasion of a grant of brevet rank in my upcoming post. I mean, it is a pretty big emergency situation. The highest rank would be one of the majors. Again, company commanders. Amsel is the ranking commissariat official.

The brevent rank is, of course, temporary until the campaign is over. My points stand for my reasoning in my above post. I find it to be the most logical choice at the moment. The commissariat retains the power to work things out in emergency situations.



That in itself would be an illegal action, eliminating core command officers for the sake of a promotion. Which, as mentioned, is simply a brevet position that is temporary.

As my post might not be up until tomorrow or Friday, what is your suggestion? I am leaning heavily towards Amsel becoming a brevet Colonel-Commissar.

He may not receive a brevet for colonel unless someone of appropriate rank (general or higher) gives it to him. Why can't we just concede that, yes, this commissar and proven commander should be in charge regardless of rank?

The brevet is for a sake of identifiable leadership. No guardsmen is going to confuse a colonel with a captain. When they hear the Captain-Commissar is giving orders, they will be confused when they hear a major give orders.

ICly Major Vanhayn should take command. But that's not to say that OOCly you can't TG Aelosia with instructions on what direction we should head in to play out the RP.

I think Aelosia wants Amsel to take command, but as I said, post will not be up for a day or two. We'll see what she thinks when she checks the OOC here.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

ICly Major Vanhayn should take command. But that's not to say that OOCly you can't TG Aelosia with instructions on what direction we should head in to play out the RP as OP.

Too complicated and dependent on Aelosia's schedule. Vanhayn holds enough respect for Amsel to let him run things anyway, and as a commissar Amsel was closer to the staff than the average company commander and so would know a tad more about leading a regiment.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

As a captain-commissar and a veteran of at least three campaigns alongside the Major, he certainly holds seniority over other captains as well as enough respect from Vanhayn to be commander overall.

He may not receive a brevet for colonel unless someone of appropriate rank (general or higher) gives it to him. Why can't we just concede that, yes, this commissar and proven commander should be in charge regardless of rank?

The brevet is for a sake of identifiable leadership. No guardsmen is going to confuse a colonel with a captain. When they hear the Captain-Commissar is giving orders, they will be confused when they hear a major give orders.

Just call him the Commissar, or the commander.

[Imperial City-States]

Alas , i'm interested to see how this interaction between my Company that's just arrived and those who are at the base itself.... should be interesting if we don't start shooting at each other.


I prefer the title of 'That Bastard ' or 'The Commie'