MNIV: Modern Nations 2015 [OOC, OPEN]

[Galter Gulcher]

You CAN you just need to learn a few things about
Tactics
Economics
Society

If you can do that, as well as get a idea on how to fake things, you will do fine in taking over SA.

I have to disagree with you. My family is from Colombia, and I know for a fact (research it if you want) that Colombia's armed forces are bigger than Brazil's and much more experienced. They are so experienced, that they are considered among the best in the entire continent and in the top ones in the World. Also, the United States has military bases in Colombia (Colombia is a close ally of the U.S.), which would make it really hard for Brazil to conquer Colombia. Colombia's economy is also very strong and it is projected to become an economic power in 2030-40. And that is just talking about Colombia, let's not forget about Chile and Argentina.

Sizes dont matter on everything, smaller millitarys can and have easily beaten much larger forces.

Add too this, if he does not become so pro-china I would help him.

For a small fee...

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I have to disagree with you. My family is from Colombia, and I know for a fact (research it if you want) that Colombia's armed forces are bigger than Brazil's and much more experienced. They are so experienced, that they are considered among the best in the entire continent and in the top ones in the World. Also, the United States has military bases in Colombia (Colombia is a close ally of the U.S.), which would make it really hard for Brazil to conquer Colombia. Colombia's economy is also very strong and it is projected to become an economic power in 2030-40. And that is just talking about Colombia, let's not forget about Chile and Argentina.

Then can I form Gran Columbia and conquer South America.

Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Colombia -> They cannot take each other down. Well, Colombia's army is much bigger than all theirs, but they are very cooperative of each other in the economy, so it would be suicidal to try to take all of them out.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I have to disagree with you. My family is from Colombia, and I know for a fact (research it if you want) that Colombia's armed forces are bigger than Brazil's and much more experienced. They are so experienced, that they are considered among the best in the entire continent and in the top ones in the World. Also, the United States has military bases in Colombia (Colombia is a close ally of the U.S.), which would make it really hard for Brazil to conquer Colombia. Colombia's economy is also very strong and it is projected to become an economic power in 2030-40. And that is just talking about Colombia, let's not forget about Chile and Argentina.

Sizes dont matter on everything, smaller millitarys can and have easily beaten much larger forces.

Add too this, if he does not become so pro-china I would help him.

For a small fee...

You didn't read my entire post. "Colombia's armed forces are bigger than Brazil's and much more experienced." and "the United States has military bases in Colombia (Colombia is a close ally of the U.S.), which would make it really hard for Brazil to conquer Colombia."

[Galter Gulcher]

Then can I form Gran Columbia and conquer South America.

Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Colombia -> They cannot take each other down. Well, Colombia's army is much bigger than all theirs, but they are very cooperative of each other in the economy, so it would be suicidal to try to take all of them out.

Not really. I mean, you would have there economys if you took them, that or he COULD just install puppet states.

You know, Coup de'tats witch are quite common in SA, so no one would really blame Brazil.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Colombia -> They cannot take each other down. Well, Colombia's army is much bigger than all theirs, but they are very cooperative of each other in the economy, so it would be suicidal to try to take all of them out.

Not really. I mean, you would have there economys if you took them, that or he COULD just install puppet states.

Nope. It would create panic among investors bringing a deep recession to all of them.

[Galter Gulcher]

Not really. I mean, you would have there economys if you took them, that or he COULD just install puppet states.

Nope. It would create panic among investors bringing a deep recession to all of them.

At first, yeah but in the longterm things would stable out.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Colombia -> They cannot take each other down. Well, Colombia's army is much bigger than all theirs, but they are very cooperative of each other in the economy, so it would be suicidal to try to take all of them out.

Not really. I mean, you would have there economys if you took them, that or he COULD just install puppet states.

You know, Coup de'tats witch are quite common in SA, so no one would really blame Brazil.

And you know that Argentina, Chile, and Colombia are very stable governments, right? Let's not forget that the U.S. is allied of Colombia, they will not permit such coup.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Nope. It would create panic among investors bringing a deep recession to all of them.

At first, yeah but in the longterm things would stable out.

This South America, not Europe. They will fall into big recessions and suffer a massive hyper-inflation.

[Bezombia]

At first, yeah but in the longterm things would stable out.

This South America, not Europe. They will fall into big recessions and suffer a massive hyper-inflation.

Perhaps but it's hyper inflation will NEVER be as bad as Ukraine's was that one time.

[Galter Gulcher]

Not really. I mean, you would have there economys if you took them, that or he COULD just install puppet states.

You know, Coup de'tats witch are quite common in SA, so no one would really blame Brazil.

And you know that Argentina, Chile, and Colombia are very stable governments, right? Let's not forget that the U.S. is allied of Colombia, they will not permit such coup.

I realize that, but every government is fail able so, ehh possible for him to take SA. And I would help him with it.

[Nuverikstan]

Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Colombia -> They cannot take each other down. Well, Colombia's army is much bigger than all theirs, but they are very cooperative of each other in the economy, so it would be suicidal to try to take all of them out.

Not really. I mean, you would have there economys if you took them, that or he COULD just install puppet states.

You know, Coup de'tats witch are quite common in SA, so no one would really blame Brazil.

I like it puppet states. And with the investors leaving the other countries they will come to ours. And with the puppet states failing we come into power easily because we have lowered their military and economy. And with us controlling their land the investors will return because we are a safe economy.

Did I get this right?

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

This South America, not Europe. They will fall into big recessions and suffer a massive hyper-inflation.

Perhaps but it's hyper inflation will NEVER be as bad as Ukraine's was that one time.

It would still be devastating for their economies. And it would affect World economies again. It could even make the entire global market tip back into recession.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Not really. I mean, you would have there economys if you took them, that or he COULD just install puppet states.

You know, Coup de'tats witch are quite common in SA, so no one would really blame Brazil.

I like it puppet states. And with the investors leaving the other countries they will come to ours. And with the puppet states failing we come into power easily because we have lowered their military and economy. And with us controlling their land the investors will return because we are a safe economy.

Did I get this right?

No. Investors would leave Brazil as well. Not to mention that Colombian nationalism is very high and have huge democratic sentiments.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

And you know that Argentina, Chile, and Colombia are very stable governments, right? Let's not forget that the U.S. is allied of Colombia, they will not permit such coup.

I realize that, but every government is fail able so, ehh possible for him to take SA. And I would help him with it.

Australia putting support in the region won't do much, why? Australia doesn't have much economic influence in the region.

And, China (IC) would back Colombia.

[Galter Gulcher]

I realize that, but every government is fail able so, ehh possible for him to take SA. And I would help him with it.

Australia putting support in the region won't do much, why? Australia doesn't have much economic influence in the region.

And, China (IC) would back Colombia.

Ehh, but China does not either.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Australia putting support in the region won't do much, why? Australia doesn't have much economic influence in the region.

And, China (IC) would back Colombia.

Ehh, but China does not either.

Yea it does. China has a trade agreement with various countries in the region (including Colombia). Colombia and China are also looking at the possibility of building a dry-canal as well.

So, my interests are at risk. Which I would intervene.

[Galter Gulcher]

Ehh, but China does not either.

Yea it does. China has a trade agreement with various countries in the region (including Colombia). Colombia and China are also looking at the possibility of building a dry-canal as well.

So, my interests are at risk. Which I would intervene.

Weres your sources?

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Yea it does. China has a trade agreement with various countries in the region (including Colombia). Colombia and China are also looking at the possibility of building a dry-canal as well.

So, my interests are at risk. Which I would intervene.

Weres your sources?

I will post them momentarily.

[Nuverikstan]

I like it puppet states. And with the investors leaving the other countries they will come to ours. And with the puppet states failing we come into power easily because we have lowered their military and economy. And with us controlling their land the investors will return because we are a safe economy.

Did I get this right?

No. Investors would leave Brazil as well. Not to mention that Colombian nationalism is very high and have huge democratic sentiments.

Actually I am thinking about forming Gran Columbia.

[Galter Gulcher]

No. Investors would leave Brazil as well. Not to mention that Colombian nationalism is very high and have huge democratic sentiments.

Actually I am thinking about forming Gran Columbia.

Form Brazil, you would be able to easily build a larger millitary with Brazil because of the much larger pop and because there growing much faster then Brazil.

Also Brazil has a MUCH larger millitary then Columbia.


Columbia- 1,745,000


Brazil- 2,245,000


Also, Brazils military has a budget of 28 billion for its military, Columbia has a budget of 11 billion

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Sources:

http://www.dw.de/chinas-influence-in-la ... a-17156409

http://fta.mofcom.gov.cn/english/fta_qianshu.shtml -> Some of the Trade Agreements of China in the region

http://www.longshoreshippingnews.com/ta ... dry-canal/

Need more sources? Check each South American country's economy: most (if not all) will have China as their top 1 (or 2) Export/Import partner.

What does this mean?
If Brazil tries funny ideas, China will too...

[Nuverikstan]

Gran Columbia is Ecuador, Columbia, Panama and Venezuela. So that is a lot of land and I would have the Panama Canal so it is a good idea.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Gran Columbia is Ecuador, Columbia, Panama and Venezuela. So that is a lot of land and I would have the Panama Canal so it is a good idea.

Do you know how to join them realistically? Hmm, nope.

But do whatever you want guys As soon as my interests are in danger (or think that are in danger), China will intervene. And no Australia, I am not afraid of you.

[Galter Gulcher]

Gran Columbia is Ecuador, Columbia, Panama and Venezuela. So that is a lot of land and I would have the Panama Canal so it is a good idea.

Do you know how to join them realistically? Hmm, nope.

But do whatever you want guys As soon as my interests are in danger (or think that are in danger), China will intervene. And no Australia, I am not afraid of you.

Nor am I of you.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Do you know how to join them realistically? Hmm, nope.

But do whatever you want guys As soon as my interests are in danger (or think that are in danger), China will intervene. And no Australia, I am not afraid of you.

Nor am I of you.

Good. I want an honorable opponent.