2013: The Modern World! [Modern AltHistory/OOC/OPEN!/Reboot]

[Caltarania]

Bold. Whaaa?

A namesake.

Just a little confusing. Also, do you control England/the UK or not? In your Economy, it starts with "Mainland England", but in the history it says you fled.... I'm a tad confused.

[Epraria]

Finished for you Philip <3
NS Name: The Beatus
Nation Name: Kingdom of England and Mysore.
Capital City: Calcutta
Government Type: Constitutional Diarchy
Head of State: King William, King Srikanta Wadiyar
Claimed Territory: India on the map, Aden, Trucial and the lefts of Malay peninsula.
State/National Religion:
Dominant Religion: Christianity
Minority Religion(s): Hinduism and Islam
Population: 1,365,184,015
Military Organization: English Navy, Mysore Navy, English Army, Mysore Army, Bharata Air Force.
Military Size: Active: 2,930,000 Reserve: 9,032,000
National Flag:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/British_Raj_Red_Ensign.svg

Coat of Arms:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/496px-Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png

National Focus: Manufacturing, industry and education
National Ideology(s): Nationalistic, Modernism, Equality, Capitalism.
Foreign Policy: Friendly with most nations. Unfriendly if given reason. Sort of a UK-US relation between India-Columbia.
Civil Freedoms (1-10): 7
Primary Import(s): Pharmaceuticals, petroleum, metals, fertilizer, machinery.
Primary Export(s): Consumer electronics, motor vehicles, aircraft and components, computers, precision goods.
Primary Culture: Indro-Aryan has strong Anglo influences.
Other Cultures : Dravidian, English, Malay, Columbian.

Brief Description of your nation's History: Same by American Civil war. With the start of the American Civil war the United Kingdom intervened on behalf of the Confederacy in the early June 1862 putting emphasis on states rights to cover up the issue of slavery. Simultaneously in the British Raj, a partly Christianized colony since inception, a growing native middle class, nurtured in part by the kingdoms policy of education, industrialization, more successful home rule, and unity across religions and race, in the face of a growing Qing and Japan, took power. By the kingdoms favorable policies the middle class became close followers of the crown. Although the British were generally reluctant in intervening in the colony's home rule the kingdom sent in men to Hyperdad to assist in a Hindu uprising against the Muslim rulers. Resulting in the annexation of the princely state was met with mixed feelings. While many saw it as the crown intervening to enforce the word of the people it was also seen as the lost of one of the few remaining subcontinent's "independent" states. Unsupported by America in the Second Boer war Great Britain was still able to drag out a win but only after a massive guerrilla war that ended in 1906. The length of a unpopular war with no outside support destabilized Britain. To avert attention Britain began incursions into Siam, conquering the the Malay peninsula on the backs of Barata Mysore troops. As a token of appreciation the northern peninsula was added to the British Raj, now led by the Mysore state the last princely state and called in whole Barata. By the dawn of WW1 the government became highly unpopular in the homeland, which was only compounded by the governments decision to stay out of WW1 causing a revolt headed by Irish nationalist on one hand using the time to attempt independence and supporters of the Entente on the other. Faced against three enemies, the revolutionary groups and seemingly Germany, the British government, nobility, military and loyalists permanently retreated to Barata and abandoned the colonies outside of the former British Raj, supported by Columbia, who was also neutral in the war. The two powers remained silent throughout the period with Barata, where the former British monarch partnered with that of Mysore, focusing on the modernization of the nation. Growing almost throughout the 1900's the Kingdom of England and Barata, as it was now called, became an economic powerhouse with improving human rights.

Brief Description of your nation's economy: Mainland England and Mysore has a wealthy economy based off services and high tech industries with agricultural still being an important aspect. Depending on the harvest though the nation must import foodstuff or at times has enough to export. The economy makes most on the domestic market but depends much on exports to drive most growth. Attempts at liberalizing the market twenty years ago were overturned soon after to protect Barata producers. Bilateral agreements are instead pursued with other nations on trade. The Maldives, Andaman and Nicobar economies are based on tourism and fishing and the Malay peninsula depends on agriculture, aquaculture, small scale manufacturing, and the Kra canal. Aden, an important port, has been transformed into an extremely modern financial center akin to Hong Kong.

Brief Description of your nation's government: Since independent the nation is ruled between the former monarchs of Great Britain and Mysore in which both share positions as had of state and head of government. Beneath them a prime minister is elected by the populace that acts as a bridge between the monarchs and the populace. The prime minister then appoints the nations executive council made of ten people. The paper parliament is a single house of 1375 members, one representative for roughly every million citizens with a handful appointed. It has few powers besides proposing of laws and overruling the executive branch with the eighty percent vote.

What? Why would the british government flee to India instead of much more loyal areas like Canada and Australia? If the British government collapsed the Indians would quickly declare Independence.

[The Beatus]

Finished for you Philip <3
NS Name: The Beatus
Nation Name: Kingdom of England and Mysore.
Capital City: Calcutta
Government Type: Constitutional Diarchy
Head of State: King William, King Srikanta Wadiyar
Claimed Territory: India on the map, Aden, Trucial and the lefts of Malay peninsula.
State/National Religion:
Dominant Religion: Christianity
Minority Religion(s): Hinduism and Islam
Population: 1,365,184,015
Military Organization: English Navy, Mysore Navy, English Army, Mysore Army, Bharata Air Force.
Military Size: Active: 2,930,000 Reserve: 9,032,000
National Flag:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/British_Raj_Red_Ensign.svg

Coat of Arms:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/496px-Royal_Coat_of_Arms_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png

National Focus: Manufacturing, industry and education
National Ideology(s): Nationalistic, Modernism, Equality, Capitalism.
Foreign Policy: Friendly with most nations. Unfriendly if given reason. Sort of a UK-US relation between India-Columbia.
Civil Freedoms (1-10): 7
Primary Import(s): Pharmaceuticals, petroleum, metals, fertilizer, machinery.
Primary Export(s): Consumer electronics, motor vehicles, aircraft and components, computers, precision goods.
Primary Culture: Indro-Aryan has strong Anglo influences.
Other Cultures : Dravidian, English, Malay, Columbian.

Brief Description of your nation's History: Same by American Civil war. With the start of the American Civil war the United Kingdom intervened on behalf of the Confederacy in the early June 1862 putting emphasis on states rights to cover up the issue of slavery. Simultaneously in the British Raj, a partly Christianized colony since inception, a growing native middle class, nurtured in part by the kingdoms policy of education, industrialization, more successful home rule, and unity across religions and race, in the face of a growing Qing and Japan, took power. By the kingdoms favorable policies the middle class became close followers of the crown. Although the British were generally reluctant in intervening in the colony's home rule the kingdom sent in men to Hyperdad to assist in a Hindu uprising against the Muslim rulers. Resulting in the annexation of the princely state was met with mixed feelings. While many saw it as the crown intervening to enforce the word of the people it was also seen as the lost of one of the few remaining subcontinent's "independent" states. Unsupported by America in the Second Boer war Great Britain was still able to drag out a win but only after a massive guerrilla war that ended in 1906. The length of a unpopular war with no outside support destabilized Britain. To avert attention Britain began incursions into Siam, conquering the the Malay peninsula on the backs of Barata Mysore troops. As a token of appreciation the northern peninsula was added to the British Raj, now led by the Mysore state the last princely state and called in whole Barata. By the dawn of WW1 the government became highly unpopular in the homeland, which was only compounded by the governments decision to stay out of WW1 causing a revolt headed by Irish nationalist on one hand using the time to attempt independence and supporters of the Entente on the other. Faced against three enemies, the revolutionary groups and seemingly Germany, the British government, nobility, military and loyalists permanently retreated to Barata and abandoned the colonies outside of the former British Raj, supported by Columbia, who was also neutral in the war. The two powers remained silent throughout the period with Barata, where the former British monarch partnered with that of Mysore, focusing on the modernization of the nation. Growing almost throughout the 1900's the Kingdom of England and Barata, as it was now called, became an economic powerhouse with improving human rights.

Brief Description of your nation's economy: Mainland England and Mysore has a wealthy economy based off services and high tech industries with agricultural still being an important aspect. Depending on the harvest though the nation must import foodstuff or at times has enough to export. The economy makes most on the domestic market but depends much on exports to drive most growth. Attempts at liberalizing the market twenty years ago were overturned soon after to protect Barata producers. Bilateral agreements are instead pursued with other nations on trade. The Maldives, Andaman and Nicobar economies are based on tourism and fishing and the Malay peninsula depends on agriculture, aquaculture, small scale manufacturing, and the Kra canal. Aden, an important port, has been transformed into an extremely modern financial center akin to Hong Kong.

Brief Description of your nation's government: Since independent the nation is ruled between the former monarchs of Great Britain and Mysore in which both share positions as had of state and head of government. Beneath them a prime minister is elected by the populace that acts as a bridge between the monarchs and the populace. The prime minister then appoints the nations executive council made of ten people. The paper parliament is a single house of 1375 members, one representative for roughly every million citizens with a handful appointed. It has few powers besides proposing of laws and overruling the executive branch with the eighty percent vote.

What? Why would the british government flee to India instead of much more loyal areas like Canada and Australia? If the British government collapsed the Indians would quickly declare Independence.

Because India is loyal seeing as it enforced policies to create unity and modernize the region for its own unlike how in our world they basically sapped the region of resources. After that India simply would be more productive of a colony.


By mainland England and Mysore it is mainland south Asia. The nation being called England and Mysore.

[Epraria]

What? Why would the british government flee to India instead of much more loyal areas like Canada and Australia? If the British government collapsed the Indians would quickly declare Independence.

Because India is loyal seeing as it enforced policies to create unity and modernize the region for its own unlike how in our world they basically sapped the region of resources. After that India simply would be more productive of a colony.


By mainland England and Mysore it is mainland south Asia. The nation being called England and Mysore.

Ah yes so the population of India who is fiercely independent would just let the British remain in control of their territory and force them to become christian?

[Caltarania]

Because India is loyal seeing as it enforced policies to create unity and modernize the region for its own unlike how in our world they basically sapped the region of resources. After that India simply would be more productive of a colony.


By mainland England and Mysore it is mainland south Asia. The nation being called England and Mysore.

Ah yes so the population of India who is fiercely independent would just let the British remain in control of their territory and force them to become christian?

And it's not exactly like people enjoy being conquered...

[Epraria]

Ah yes so the population of India who is fiercely independent would just let the British remain in control of their territory and force them to become christian?

And it's not exactly like people enjoy being conquered...

Exactly and then there is why did the British government not fall back to Canada or Australia then? Those areas have been shown to be very loyal to Britain.

[Caltarania]

And it's not exactly like people enjoy being conquered...

Exactly and then there is why did the British government not fall back to Canada or Australia then? Those areas have been shown to be very loyal to Britain.

I could see it being more plausible if it was mainly the Sikh areas. The Sikh's were given a sort of Upper Class status by the Brits, so it could be more plausible. Perhaps the Buddhist areas too, but I doubt most of the Hindus or Muslims would agree to it. In short, perhaps Sikkim and some more of Northern India, maybe with Hyderabad and Bangladesh, but that's pushing it.

If they retreated to Canada, New Zealand or Australia, that would be more plausible though.

[Lunas Legion]

Exactly and then there is why did the British government not fall back to Canada or Australia then? Those areas have been shown to be very loyal to Britain.

I could see it being more plausible if it was mainly the Sikh areas. The Sikh's were given a sort of Upper Class status by the Brits, so it could be more plausible. Perhaps the Buddhist areas too, but I doubt most of the Hindus or Muslims would agree to it. In short, perhaps Sikkim and some more of Northern India, maybe with Hyderabad and Bangladesh, but that's pushing it.

If they retreated to Canada, New Zealand or Australia, that would be more plausible though.

The British, if forced to flee to India, would maintain control over the Princely Kingdoms if they still existed as some of the Marhajahs opposed a united India.

[The Beatus]

Because India is loyal seeing as it enforced policies to create unity and modernize the region for its own unlike how in our world they basically sapped the region of resources. After that India simply would be more productive of a colony.


By mainland England and Mysore it is mainland south Asia. The nation being called England and Mysore.

Ah yes so the population of India who is fiercely independent would just let the British remain in control of their territory and force them to become christian?

Unlike this history one large push for unity was a hatred of Britain caused by its policy of discrimination and mercantilism in the region. Similarly the ruling powers of India, both of European and native, strongly resisted adopting much of the native culture. Britain instead actively supported unity and nationalism in the region because of the stronger Qing that was right next door in Burma, using the native culture for the natives and British to consolidate in the face of the Qing. I take that to mean Qing was powerful enough to resist the British there. Also besides industrializing the nation Britain interfered little in India after the Civil War except to assist the people in a revolt against home rulers they disagreed with, which also happened to large be the same parties/princely states that previous worked against the rest of the natives. Yes a lot was done by 1875 but come 1910 why would the Indian natives want to leave the kingdom? After all the kingdom, despite its wrongs, did nurture a sense of nationalism and appreciation of the native culture, installed wide education, fostered an intellectual middle class, industrialized and modernized the economy and military, and worked together with the people to break down barriers between people of class and religion. Admittedly it was for selfish reasons, to form a unified region to protect against the Qing, but it only benefited the majority of the people in the kingdom's last fifty or so years in control of India.

[Khodesia]

So, the Commonwealth no longer exists?

That conflicts with my history.

[Khodesia]

Η Ομοσπονδιακή Δημοκρατία της Ανατολίας.

Άρα, ξέρεις ελληνικά ;

I know greek so I can correct any of your grammatical mistakes

Also, I thought about making a Quebec app. But I dont want blockading and shit all over again.

Ok Did i do any major grammatical errors then?

In your military names, yess.

[Epraria]

Ah yes so the population of India who is fiercely independent would just let the British remain in control of their territory and force them to become christian?

Unlike this history one large push for unity was a hatred of Britain caused by its policy of discrimination and mercantilism in the region. Similarly the ruling powers of India, both of European and native, strongly resisted adopting much of the native culture. Britain instead actively supported unity and nationalism in the region because of the stronger Qing that was right next door in Burma, using the native culture for the natives and British to consolidate in the face of the Qing. I take that to mean Qing was powerful enough to resist the British there. Also besides industrializing the nation Britain interfered little in India after the Civil War except to assist the people in a revolt against home rulers they disagreed with, which also happened to large be the same parties/princely states that previous worked against the rest of the natives. Yes a lot was done by 1875 but come 1910 why would the Indian natives want to leave the kingdom? After all the kingdom, despite its wrongs, did nurture a sense of nationalism and appreciation of the native culture, installed wide education, fostered an intellectual middle class, industrialized and modernized the economy and military, and worked together with the people to break down barriers between people of class and religion. Admittedly it was for selfish reasons, to form a unified region to protect against the Qing, but it only benefited the majority of the people in the kingdom's last fifty or so years in control of India.

Independence and nationalism. I mean today there are loads of territory that are part of modern countries that want independence despite what the country they are part of has done to help the. I also ask how the hell did India become a majority christian country?

[Khodesia]

Unlike this history one large push for unity was a hatred of Britain caused by its policy of discrimination and mercantilism in the region. Similarly the ruling powers of India, both of European and native, strongly resisted adopting much of the native culture. Britain instead actively supported unity and nationalism in the region because of the stronger Qing that was right next door in Burma, using the native culture for the natives and British to consolidate in the face of the Qing. I take that to mean Qing was powerful enough to resist the British there. Also besides industrializing the nation Britain interfered little in India after the Civil War except to assist the people in a revolt against home rulers they disagreed with, which also happened to large be the same parties/princely states that previous worked against the rest of the natives. Yes a lot was done by 1875 but come 1910 why would the Indian natives want to leave the kingdom? After all the kingdom, despite its wrongs, did nurture a sense of nationalism and appreciation of the native culture, installed wide education, fostered an intellectual middle class, industrialized and modernized the economy and military, and worked together with the people to break down barriers between people of class and religion. Admittedly it was for selfish reasons, to form a unified region to protect against the Qing, but it only benefited the majority of the people in the kingdom's last fifty or so years in control of India.

Independence and nationalism. I mean today there are loads of territory that are part of modern countries that want independence despite what the country they are part of has done to help the. I also ask how the hell did India become a majority christian country?

Well, Epraria certainly makes a point.......

[Benuty]

Hmm so is Britain(the island) a pseudo Stalinist state in this world then?

[Epraria]

Ok Did i do any major grammatical errors then?

In your military names, yess.

What are the correct names in Greek then?

[Khodesia]

In your military names, yess.

What are the correct names in Greek then?

Land Army : Ο Στρατός της Ανατολίας

Naval : Το Ναυτικό της Ανατολίας

Airforce: Αεροπορία της Ανατολίας

Marines: Σώμα Πεζοναυτών Ανατολίας

[Epraria]

What are the correct names in Greek then?

Land Army : Ο Στρατός της Ανατολίας

Naval : Το Ναυτικό της Ανατολίας

Airforce: Αεροπορία της Ανατολίας

Marines: Σώμα Πεζοναυτών Ανατολίας

Ok thanks.

[Khodesia]

Hmm so is Britain(the island) a pseudo Stalinist state in this world then?

Again, history conflicts.

In mine, the Commonwealth exists. Thus, monarchy still in Britain.

[The Beatus]

Unlike this history one large push for unity was a hatred of Britain caused by its policy of discrimination and mercantilism in the region. Similarly the ruling powers of India, both of European and native, strongly resisted adopting much of the native culture. Britain instead actively supported unity and nationalism in the region because of the stronger Qing that was right next door in Burma, using the native culture for the natives and British to consolidate in the face of the Qing. I take that to mean Qing was powerful enough to resist the British there. Also besides industrializing the nation Britain interfered little in India after the Civil War except to assist the people in a revolt against home rulers they disagreed with, which also happened to large be the same parties/princely states that previous worked against the rest of the natives. Yes a lot was done by 1875 but come 1910 why would the Indian natives want to leave the kingdom? After all the kingdom, despite its wrongs, did nurture a sense of nationalism and appreciation of the native culture, installed wide education, fostered an intellectual middle class, industrialized and modernized the economy and military, and worked together with the people to break down barriers between people of class and religion. Admittedly it was for selfish reasons, to form a unified region to protect against the Qing, but it only benefited the majority of the people in the kingdom's last fifty or so years in control of India.

Independence and nationalism. I mean today there are loads of territory that are part of modern countries that want independence despite what the country they are part of has done to help the. I also ask how the hell did India become a majority christian country?

You can ignore that. I'll edit it out since it wasn't important to my nation anyway. India as a native group had little nationalism as a group because of a history of domination by foreign groups such as the Mughals before Britain. Part of what drove the nationalism was a group hatred of Britain because of the rampant racism and the sapping away of resources for the British isle's sole benefit. Instead though nationalism was purposely nurtured by the British to solidify the nation from other foreign powers. Plus it isn't like India is still ruled by an island on the other side of the world.

I cannot think of popular independence movements at the moment that you are speaking of.

[The Beatus]

Hmm so is Britain(the island) a pseudo Stalinist state in this world then?

Again, history conflicts.

In mine, the Commonwealth exists. Thus, monarchy still in Britain.

Can't the monarchy fork in two?

[Khodesia]

Again, history conflicts.

In mine, the Commonwealth exists. Thus, monarchy still in Britain.

Can't the monarchy fork in two?

Like the rest of the colonies follow another monarch and you dudes separate?

Anyway, the Union of South Africa has cut most ties to the British Crown.

[Caltarania]

Hmm so is Britain(the island) a pseudo Stalinist state in this world then?

Again, history conflicts.

In mine, the Commonwealth exists. Thus, monarchy still in Britain.

Yeah, same here. In my history, the Polish-Bohemians have a 'Mercenary' kind of deal with the British in WWI, and in WWII we were liberated by them...

[The Beatus]

Can't the monarchy fork in two?

Like the rest of the colonies follow another monarch and you dudes separate?

Yeah. I left it open whether the UK does end up getting involved in either WW1/2. After the government leaves the nation can decide to.

[Khodesia]

Like the rest of the colonies follow another monarch and you dudes separate?

Yeah. I left it open whether the UK does end up getting involved in either WW1/2. After the government leaves the nation can decide to.

So, a Union of Britain formed without Ireland and the rest of the colonies remain as they are?

That can work, although relations between Commonwealth nations and you could be unpleasent to say, the least.

[Epraria]

Independence and nationalism. I mean today there are loads of territory that are part of modern countries that want independence despite what the country they are part of has done to help the. I also ask how the hell did India become a majority christian country?

You can ignore that. I'll edit it out since it wasn't important to my nation anyway. India as a native group had little nationalism as a group because of a history of domination by foreign groups such as the Mughals before Britain. Part of what drove the nationalism was a group hatred of Britain because of the rampant racism and the sapping away of resources for the British isle's sole benefit. Instead though nationalism was purposely nurtured by the British to solidify the nation from other foreign powers. Plus it isn't like India is still ruled by an island on the other side of the world.

I cannot think of popular independence movements at the moment that you are speaking of.

Catalonia, Scotland, Bavaria, Flanders, Wallonia , Sicily, Corsica to name a few.