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Vairikai Sari
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:11 pm

Epraria wrote:
Vairikai Sari wrote:Okay I will change my history to fit that TL.

Then i ask you how a half a city people can take control of all of Israel?

This Way:
The Hebrew State finds its roots in the city of Jerusalem; One of the holiest cities on this earth. In the early years after American Civil War a secret society was formed, known as Eretz Yisrael, or Land of Israel its main goal was ultimately the creation of a Jewish or Hebrew State. They accomplished their goal, but on a small scale they managed to gain independence of Jerusalem ( with Byzantine help) and the territories around the Dead Sea, from the Egyptian Caliphate, eventually however the Hebrew state threw effective organization and military strength they began acquiring and annexing the lands West of Jordan River and north from Byzantium and south to the Sinai. The main reason for the ease in which they had acquired the land was that the Egyptian Caliphate was to crippled from the recent war with the Anatolians, that they did not have the will or trained manpower to stop the Hebrews.


However peace was not to follow the new state, a war in 1895 over the newly completed Suez Canal Zone between the Egyptian Caliphate, who's armies though superior in manpower, however where inferior in equipment, organization and training. The war ended in a surprising Hebrew Victory, the penance for the defeated Egyptians was the Succession of the Suez Canal Zone, Dametta and Port Said. The Hebrew state then entered a peaceful stage of its history no wars or anything of that sort. The economy grew, Judaism became more popular and the government stabilized. However the Hebrew State saw Egypt as a prime area for resource extraction. So in 1954 the Hebrew State supported and funded a Sudanese Christian /Coptic rebellion. Egypt seing this rebellion as a threat to their interests in Sudan, intervened sending large forces to quell the rebellion against the Sudanese Caliphate a mere puppet of Egypt, the Hebrew State seeing the perfect opportunity struck Egypt, this would begin the Hanukkiya War. They struck hard and quick destroying any Egyptian resistance and within a month had beseiged and taken Cairo. Egypt surrendered, and soon Sudan keeping their promise to there Jewish supporters joined the Hebrew State as an Autonomous state.

Uprisings in the name of Islam where frequent after the end of the Hanukkiya war . And in 1973 an Arab Revolt almost paralyzed the nation. But upon the entrance of King Abraham XI as Hebrew King things improved. For one Abraham was part Arab; his father being a member of the Hashemite Dynasty, for another Abraham declared Egypt and Sudan to be autonomous Zones within the Kingdom, these autonomous zones instead of having Jewish Law that people where tried under; they would be trialed under Sharia Law. Also the new Autonomous Zone had the Old Egyptian Caliph restored, but not as a monarch, as the ceremonial Head of Government. Soon the Arab population was satisfied and peace and cooperation was abundant threw out the land. And now Abraham XII plots and schemes the rise of the Hebrew State to the top.

BETTER?
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Postby Parhe » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:11 pm

To be honest the Egypt owning Sudan thing isn't very bothersome to me. Perhaps Israel could have, promising at the least autonomy, fanned a Sudanese/Coptic/Christian revolution or revolt for whatever reason (a drought, independence, oppression) and then take advantage to invade the Egypt which is concentrating in the south the quell the revolution. Egypt could he subdued and then so agree to being "absorbed" into the Hebrew nation as a semi autonomous region, or the whole nation made up of Israel, aegypt and the Sudans could become a federation. Of course in this scenario the use of name Hebrew Nation or whatever may not sit well with the majority Non Hebrews. However it is possible seeing how Japan did it in the rp. Thinking back I think a government system similar to TTL Japan's may work for yours.
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Postby Dires » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:12 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:
Epraria wrote:Then you should know that in this TL Egypt controled Israel during the time before and after the American civil war.

Okay I will change my history to fit that TL.


Look, you just aren't going to be able to create Jewish state without allowing external forces to create it for you like in RL. Write about that or just have your Jewish state in Australia (which is really a lot of better than that patch of sand called Israel)
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:13 pm

Parhe wrote:To be honest the Egypt owning Sudan thing isn't very bothersome to me. Perhaps Israel could have, promising at the least autonomy, fanned a Sudanese/Coptic/Christian revolution or revolt for whatever reason (a drought, independence, oppression) and then take advantage to invade the Egypt which is concentrating in the south the quell the revolution. Egypt could he subdued and then so agree to being "absorbed" into the Hebrew nation as a semi autonomous region, or the whole nation made up of Israel, aegypt and the Sudans could become a federation. Of course in this scenario the use of name Hebrew Nation or whatever may not sit well with the majority Non Hebrews. However it is possible seeing how Japan did it in the rp. Thinking back I think a government system similar to TTL Japan's may work for yours.

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Postby Dires » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:13 pm

Parhe wrote:To be honest the Egypt owning Sudan thing isn't very bothersome to me. Perhaps Israel could have, promising at the least autonomy, fanned a Sudanese/Coptic/Christian revolution or revolt for whatever reason (a drought, independence, oppression) and then take advantage to invade the Egypt which is concentrating in the south the quell the revolution. Egypt could he subdued and then so agree to being "absorbed" into the Hebrew nation as a semi autonomous region, or the whole nation made up of Israel, aegypt and the Sudans could become a federation. Of course in this scenario the use of name Hebrew Nation or whatever may not sit well with the majority Non Hebrews. However it is possible seeing how Japan did it in the rp. Thinking back I think a government system similar to TTL Japan's may work for yours.


The difference being that the people he's ruling over are a lot more religious than the ones Japan took over.
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Postby Dires » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:16 pm

Oh, and did we ever resolve where the UN was going to be?
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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:17 pm

By 1865 the Egyptians would probably have gained enough strenght back to quell any Jewish revolts in the area.
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Postby Parhe » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:17 pm

Dires wrote:
Parhe wrote:To be honest the Egypt owning Sudan thing isn't very bothersome to me. Perhaps Israel could have, promising at the least autonomy, fanned a Sudanese/Coptic/Christian revolution or revolt for whatever reason (a drought, independence, oppression) and then take advantage to invade the Egypt which is concentrating in the south the quell the revolution. Egypt could he subdued and then so agree to being "absorbed" into the Hebrew nation as a semi autonomous region, or the whole nation made up of Israel, aegypt and the Sudans could become a federation. Of course in this scenario the use of name Hebrew Nation or whatever may not sit well with the majority Non Hebrews. However it is possible seeing how Japan did it in the rp. Thinking back I think a government system similar to TTL Japan's may work for yours.


The difference being that the people he's ruling over are a lot more religious than the ones Japan took over.

Not going to debate that simply because I have no proof supporting or opposing what you said. However, I do feel there is a pretty large difference in that Japan is larger than Korea, Manchuria, and it's portions of Indochina and Taiwan each individually while Israel is much smaller than Egypt. To get around that I thought he could make the war and nation less religious focused as well as breaking apart Egypt and Sudan to smaller pieces it can stand again or ally with.
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Postby Parhe » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:20 pm

Epraria wrote:By 1865 the Egyptians would probably have gained enough strenght back to quell any Jewish revolts in the area.

Yup. Perhaps another nation could volunteer to be a nation that helps the group revolt against Egypt. Just to end this I would volunteer my nation but at the time Columbia was part of the USA.
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:21 pm


Will accept me! I am still updating my history.

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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:23 pm

Parhe wrote:
Epraria wrote:By 1865 the Egyptians would probably have gained enough strenght back to quell any Jewish revolts in the area.

Yup. Perhaps another nation could volunteer to be a nation that helps the group revolt against Egypt. Just to end this I would volunteer my nation but at the time Columbia was part of the USA.

The Byzantine empire would make more sense as a loss of Israel would make Egypt which was the byzantines main rivals weaker
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Postby Vredlandia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:23 pm

Parhe wrote:
Epraria wrote:By 1865 the Egyptians would probably have gained enough strenght back to quell any Jewish revolts in the area.

Yup. Perhaps another nation could volunteer to be a nation that helps the group revolt against Egypt. Just to end this I would volunteer my nation but at the time Columbia was part of the USA.


We've got a large Jewish community and they are part of our wealth, so I could say we saw an opportunity there and wanted to install a Jewish government instead of the Muslim one.

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Postby Benuty » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:24 pm

Dires wrote:
Vairikai Sari wrote:Okay I will change my history to fit that TL.


Look, you just aren't going to be able to create Jewish state without allowing external forces to create it for you like in RL. Write about that or just have your Jewish state in Australia (which is really a lot of better than that patch of sand called Israel)


The country is hardly a patch of sand.
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Postby Sauritican » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:25 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:

Will accept me! I am still updating my history.

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Postby Benuty » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:26 pm

Dires wrote:Oh, and did we ever resolve where the UN was going to be?

I assume Paris ( since Rome is already powerful enough as it is).
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Postby Parhe » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:27 pm

Benuty wrote:
Dires wrote:
Look, you just aren't going to be able to create Jewish state without allowing external forces to create it for you like in RL. Write about that or just have your Jewish state in Australia (which is really a lot of better than that patch of sand called Israel)


The country is hardly a patch of sand.

I thought Israel was known for making the deserts bloom or something. Though I may be wrong.

Also NGR your posts seems like it basically signed in all the reforms of the second half of the 1900's in one sitting.
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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:28 pm

Benuty wrote:
Dires wrote:Oh, and did we ever resolve where the UN was going to be?

I assume Paris ( since Rome is already powerful enough as it is).

Oh well there goes Constantinoples chance for that seat.
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:29 pm

So I have updated my hist?
Also who would like to help the Eretz Yisrael revolt against Egypt?

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Postby Benuty » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:30 pm

Parhe wrote:
Benuty wrote:
The country is hardly a patch of sand.

I thought Israel was known for making the deserts bloom or something. Though I may be wrong.

Also NGR your posts seems like it basically signed in all the reforms of the second half of the 1900's in one sitting.

Well NGR still has to deal with the 1950s-1970s combined (trololo) instead of gradually.
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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:31 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:So I have updated my hist?
Also who would like to help the Eretz Yisrael revolt against Egypt?

The most realistic one would be Byzantium. Seeing how they would have wanted the Egyptians gone from the levant.
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:32 pm

Epraria wrote:
Vairikai Sari wrote:So I have updated my hist?
Also who would like to help the Eretz Yisrael revolt against Egypt?

The most realistic one would be Byzantium. Seeing how they would have wanted the Egyptians gone from the levant.

Would you? :)

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Postby The New Greek Republic » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:33 pm

Parhe wrote:
Benuty wrote:
The country is hardly a patch of sand.

I thought Israel was known for making the deserts bloom or something. Though I may be wrong.

Also NGR your posts seems like it basically signed in all the reforms of the second half of the 1900's in one sitting.

Heheh, you called them "reforms", well before [EVIL] John F. Kennedy took office these laws were already set to be signed into law, much to the disgust of the NCAP, so JFK vetoed the laws, and now in an attempt to gain more allies than the west, Pisoita is introducing these laws as the end of the new year. Plus The People's Decree was intoduced in 2012, the CRDDA is the only actual "new" piece of legislation.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:34 pm

The New Greek Republic wrote:
Parhe wrote:I thought Israel was known for making the deserts bloom or something. Though I may be wrong.

Also NGR your posts seems like it basically signed in all the reforms of the second half of the 1900's in one sitting.

Heheh, you called them "reforms", well before [EVIL] John F. Kennedy took office these laws were already set to be signed into law, much to the disgust of the NCAP, so JFK vetoed the laws, and now in an attempt to gain more allies than the west, Pisoita is introducing these laws as the end of the new year. Plus The People's Decree was intoduced in 2012, the CRDDA is the only actual "new" piece of legislation.

Welcome to the year 1902 NGR.
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