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Dires
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Postby Dires » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:28 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:The Hebrew State finds its roots in the city of Jerusalem; One of the holiest cities on this earth. In the early years after American Civil War a secret society was formed, known as Eretz Yisrael, or Land of Israel its main goal was ultimately the creation of a Jewish or Hebrew State. They accomplished their goal, but on a small scale they managed to gain independence of Jerusalem and the territories around the Dead Sea. The rest of modern day Israel was controlled by Unorganized Arabic Tribes, eventually however the Hebrew state threw effective organization and military strength they began acquiring and annexing the lands West of Jordan River and north from Byzantium and south to the Sinai.

However peace was not to follow the new state, a war in 1895 over the newly completed Suez Canal Zone between the Egyptian Caliphate, who's armies though superior in manpower, however where inferior in equipment, organization and training. The war ended in a surprising Hebrew Victory, the penance for the defeated Egyptians was the Succession of the Suez Canal Zone, Dametta and Port Said. The Hebrew state then entered a peaceful stage of its history no wars or anything of that sort. The economy grew, Judaism became more popular and the government stabilized. However Egypt angered and humiliated would not accept the fall of their armies gracefully. In 1954 Egypt using a surprise to their advantage invaded across the Suez, pushing the Hebrew Armies back to the Be'er Sheva line. The Hanukkiya War as it was to be called almost crippled the Hebrew will to fight, but with an international intervention the Hebrew Lines where saved, and by 1955 they had pushed the Egyptians back over the Canal and into Cairo, which would be besieged for the next 33 Days before the Caliph's government surrendered.The end of the Hanukkiya War brought Hebrew sovereignty over Egypt and Sudan.

Uprisings in the name of Islam where frequent after the end of the Hanukkiya war where frequent. And in 1973 an Arab Revolt almost paralyzed the nation. But upon the entrance of King Abraham XI as Hebrew King things improved. For one Abraham was part Arab; his father being a member of the Hashemite Dynasty, for another Abraham declared Egypt and Sudan to be autonomous Zones within the Kingdom, these autonomous zones instead of having Jewish Law that people where tried under; they would be trialed under Sharia Law. Also the new Autonomous Zone had the Old Egyptian Caliph restored, but not as a monarch, as the ceremonial Head of Government. Soon the Arab population was satisfied and peace and cooperation was abundant threw out the land. And now Abraham XII plots and schemes the rise of the Hebrew State to the top.

BETTER?


Idk....Egypt sounds like Palestine writ large, just with more people and a deeper history.
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Postby Sauritican » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:29 pm

Sauritican wrote:
Sauritican wrote:-snip-

all right here we are, the final version of my app with the reason of why Iraq and Jordan were annexed

is mine acceptable?
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Vairikai Sari
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:31 pm

Dires wrote:
Vairikai Sari wrote:The Hebrew State finds its roots in the city of Jerusalem; One of the holiest cities on this earth. In the early years after American Civil War a secret society was formed, known as Eretz Yisrael, or Land of Israel its main goal was ultimately the creation of a Jewish or Hebrew State. They accomplished their goal, but on a small scale they managed to gain independence of Jerusalem and the territories around the Dead Sea. The rest of modern day Israel was controlled by Unorganized Arabic Tribes, eventually however the Hebrew state threw effective organization and military strength they began acquiring and annexing the lands West of Jordan River and north from Byzantium and south to the Sinai.

However peace was not to follow the new state, a war in 1895 over the newly completed Suez Canal Zone between the Egyptian Caliphate, who's armies though superior in manpower, however where inferior in equipment, organization and training. The war ended in a surprising Hebrew Victory, the penance for the defeated Egyptians was the Succession of the Suez Canal Zone, Dametta and Port Said. The Hebrew state then entered a peaceful stage of its history no wars or anything of that sort. The economy grew, Judaism became more popular and the government stabilized. However Egypt angered and humiliated would not accept the fall of their armies gracefully. In 1954 Egypt using a surprise to their advantage invaded across the Suez, pushing the Hebrew Armies back to the Be'er Sheva line. The Hanukkiya War as it was to be called almost crippled the Hebrew will to fight, but with an international intervention the Hebrew Lines where saved, and by 1955 they had pushed the Egyptians back over the Canal and into Cairo, which would be besieged for the next 33 Days before the Caliph's government surrendered.The end of the Hanukkiya War brought Hebrew sovereignty over Egypt and Sudan.

Uprisings in the name of Islam where frequent after the end of the Hanukkiya war where frequent. And in 1973 an Arab Revolt almost paralyzed the nation. But upon the entrance of King Abraham XI as Hebrew King things improved. For one Abraham was part Arab; his father being a member of the Hashemite Dynasty, for another Abraham declared Egypt and Sudan to be autonomous Zones within the Kingdom, these autonomous zones instead of having Jewish Law that people where tried under; they would be trialed under Sharia Law. Also the new Autonomous Zone had the Old Egyptian Caliph restored, but not as a monarch, as the ceremonial Head of Government. Soon the Arab population was satisfied and peace and cooperation was abundant threw out the land. And now Abraham XII plots and schemes the rise of the Hebrew State to the top.

BETTER?


Idk....Egypt sounds like Palestine writ large, just with more people and a deeper history.

Is it ok?

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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:34 pm

Sudan was not part of Egypt in 1954 and Israel does not have the manpower to push and take Cairo.
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Vairikai Sari
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:37 pm

Epraria wrote:Sudan was not part of Egypt in 1954 and Israel does not have the manpower to push and take Cairo.

I believe they did have the manpower in The Six Day War, and in this it is.

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Postby Parhe » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:40 pm

If others are okay with your nation beating Egypt I am okay with it; in my opinion, while it would be hard it would be possible but both nations will likely be hit hard particularly the smaller. Also keep in mind Jew would by far be a minority behind Muslims as well as Christians because of your holdings in Africa. Though I suppose with the right changes you can butterfly that away by making them convert to say Islam or driving them off and lowering the population.
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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:43 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:
Epraria wrote:Sudan was not part of Egypt in 1954 and Israel does not have the manpower to push and take Cairo.

I believe they did have the manpower in The Six Day War, and in this it is.

No they occupied the Sinai peninsula but never advanced past that.
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HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



I will not pay my taxes this year :p

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Vairikai Sari
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:44 pm

Parhe wrote:If others are okay with your nation beating Egypt I am okay with it; in my opinion, while it would be hard it would be possible but both nations will likely be hit hard particularly the smaller. Also keep in mind Jew would by far be a minority behind Muslims as well as Christians because of your holdings in Africa. Though I suppose with the right changes you can butterfly that away by making them convert to say Islam or driving them off and lowering the population.

Thanks, I also going to start a program that gives any Jew who immigrates to the Hebrew State benifets until they have lived for 1 year.

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Dires
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Postby Dires » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:44 pm

Parhe wrote:If others are okay with your nation beating Egypt I am okay with it; in my opinion, while it would be hard it would be possible but both nations will likely be hit hard particularly the smaller. Also keep in mind Jew would by far be a minority behind Muslims as well as Christians because of your holdings in Africa. Though I suppose with the right changes you can butterfly that away by making them convert to say Islam or driving them off and lowering the population.


I don't see why he doesn't just create a confederation of "the People of the Book", just with the Jew's acting as the bureaucrats
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Vairikai Sari
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:45 pm

Epraria wrote:
Vairikai Sari wrote:I believe they did have the manpower in The Six Day War, and in this it is.

No they occupied the Sinai peninsula but never advanced past that.

They could have, and why are you so against me? It seems you are spending more time being my critique then writing your app.

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Postby Sauritican » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:48 pm

Parhe wrote:If others are okay with your nation beating Egypt I am okay with it; in my opinion, while it would be hard it would be possible but both nations will likely be hit hard particularly the smaller. Also keep in mind Jew would by far be a minority behind Muslims as well as Christians because of your holdings in Africa. Though I suppose with the right changes you can butterfly that away by making them convert to say Islam or driving them off and lowering the population.

Persia needs it's rival anyways, also, have I been accepted?
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Postby Parhe » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:48 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:
Epraria wrote:No they occupied the Sinai peninsula but never advanced past that.

They could have, and why are you so against me? It seems you are spending more time being my critique then writing your app.

He is a coop and I believe he already has an app.
Hey, it is Parhe :D I am always open to telegrams.
I know it is a Work-In-Progress, but I would love it if y'all looked at my new factbook and gave me some feedback!

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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:49 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:
Epraria wrote:No they occupied the Sinai peninsula but never advanced past that.

They could have, and why are you so against me? It seems you are spending more time being my critique then writing your app.

:palm: I have written my app. I am Anatolia.
You can call me Easy-E or Eppie if you want but you can if you are really lazy call me Ep.
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HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



I will not pay my taxes this year :p

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Vairikai Sari
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:50 pm

Parhe wrote:
Vairikai Sari wrote:They could have, and why are you so against me? It seems you are spending more time being my critique then writing your app.

He is a coop and I believe he already has an app.

He does. And what do you mean by a coop?

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Postby Parhe » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:52 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:
Parhe wrote:He is a coop and I believe he already has an app.

He does. And what do you mean by a coop?

I mean a CO-OP. He helps the OP.
Hey, it is Parhe :D I am always open to telegrams.
I know it is a Work-In-Progress, but I would love it if y'all looked at my new factbook and gave me some feedback!

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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:54 pm

Parhe wrote:
Vairikai Sari wrote:He does. And what do you mean by a coop?

I mean a CO-OP. He helps the OP.

Ok, then but why is he not liking my app?

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Postby Dangelia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:55 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:
Parhe wrote:I mean a CO-OP. He helps the OP.

Ok, then but why is he not liking my app?

He's been a bit busy lately.

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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:57 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:
Parhe wrote:I mean a CO-OP. He helps the OP.

Ok, then but why is he not liking my app?

Because i dont think the history is good enough. Also how did Sudan get under israels control? It was not part of Egypt in 1954.
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HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:58 pm

Epraria wrote:
Vairikai Sari wrote:Ok, then but why is he not liking my app?

Because i dont think the history is good enough. Also how did Sudan get under israels control? It was not part of Egypt in 1954.


And pushing into Sudan would expose the flank to Syria/Jordan/Iran/Libya/Turkey.
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:59 pm

Epraria wrote:
Vairikai Sari wrote:Ok, then but why is he not liking my app?

Because i dont think the history is good enough. Also how did Sudan get under israels control? It was not part of Egypt in 1954.

This is Alt. Hist. and for most of the 19th and 20th centuries Sudan was either a part of Egypt or a Condiminium ruled by Egypt and Britian. I have extended this to 1954.

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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:00 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Epraria wrote:Because i dont think the history is good enough. Also how did Sudan get under israels control? It was not part of Egypt in 1954.


And pushing into Sudan would expose the flank to Syria/Jordan/Iran/Libya/Turkey.

Syria and Turkey are part of my nation.
You can call me Easy-E or Eppie if you want but you can if you are really lazy call me Ep.
I am Spanish so don't ever expect me to have anything close to perfect grammar.
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Myansaland wrote:
HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



I will not pay my taxes this year :p

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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:02 pm

Epraria wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
And pushing into Sudan would expose the flank to Syria/Jordan/Iran/Libya/Turkey.

Syria and Turkey are part of my nation.


Even better then.
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Epraria
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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:04 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:
Epraria wrote:Because i dont think the history is good enough. Also how did Sudan get under israels control? It was not part of Egypt in 1954.

This is Alt. Hist. and for most of the 19th and 20th centuries Sudan was either a part of Egypt or a Condiminium ruled by Egypt and Britian. I have extended this to 1954.

Then you should know that in this TL Egypt controled Israel during the time before and after the American civil war.
You can call me Easy-E or Eppie if you want but you can if you are really lazy call me Ep.
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98% of all Internet users would cry if Facebook broke down. If you are part of that 2% who simply would sit back and laugh, copy and paste this into your sig.
Myansaland wrote:
HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



I will not pay my taxes this year :p

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Vairikai Sari
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Postby Vairikai Sari » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:05 pm

Epraria wrote:
Vairikai Sari wrote:This is Alt. Hist. and for most of the 19th and 20th centuries Sudan was either a part of Egypt or a Condiminium ruled by Egypt and Britian. I have extended this to 1954.

Then you should know that in this TL Egypt controled Israel during the time before and after the American civil war.

Okay I will change my history to fit that TL.

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Postby Epraria » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:09 pm

Vairikai Sari wrote:
Epraria wrote:Then you should know that in this TL Egypt controled Israel during the time before and after the American civil war.

Okay I will change my history to fit that TL.

Then i ask you how a half a city people can take control of all of Israel?
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Myansaland wrote:
HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



I will not pay my taxes this year :p

After all, I recieved a letter from the City of Warsaw recognizing me as an indepedent apartment.


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