2013: The Modern World! [Modern AltHistory/OOC/OPEN!/Reboot]

[Sauritican]

final version of my app, I finally got the military size figures done

How was Jordan and Iraq Annexed?

I shall get onto that, I think a way would be Iraq and Jordan are failing economically, and Persia annexes them with promises to help out their economy

[Epraria]

I say again that the Hebrew state controling Egypt history does not work. First there was not many Jews in the area at the time and the majority of the pop was Muslim. Then there is that Italy never joined the second world war here meaning Germany would never have gone to north Africa and finally if the Arab population in Egypt was decimated, the population of that Hebrew state would be significantly lower.

[Caltarania]

So? why does being the religious holy zone to more then a billion people cancel it out?
plus largest mosque in europe
one of the largets synacoughs(?)

To be honest it seems Paris is a better choice. Hopefully we get a new nation soon that has a better fit. Maybe Frisia

I'm just gonna through Warsaw out there, if it isn't too late. Poland-Bohemia is democratic, relatively peaceful and only joined WWII because we were invaded. Not to mention, the Warsaw rebellion during WWII may have given us some 'Awww' and general credibility for being awesome.

Also, for the DATO thing, a while back we decided that it would have a name different from NATO, but including 'Democratic' and 'Freedom'.

I think it was: Democratic Alliance of Free States, DAFS. Or in Polski: Demokratyczny Związek Wolnych Państw, DZWP.

We also decided that Polish (And Czech) would be an Official language of it, probably along with English and other member states languages.

[Parhe]

NS Name:Obviously not Vairikai Sari
Nation Name: Hebrew State
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy
Capitol:Jerusalem
Head of State:His Excellency, Hebrew and Egyptian King, The Right Honourable Abraham Hashemite, M.P., P.C.
Claimed Territory:Israel, Sudan(N&S) and Egypt
State Religion:Secular
Primary Religion: Judaism and Islam
Secondary Religions(s):, Christianity
Population: 122, 000, 000 (I combined the real populations of Israel, Sudan and Egypt)
Military Organization: Royal Hebrew Navy, Royal Hebrew Airforce, Royal Hebrew Army, Special Task Force
Flag:
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Emblem:Here

Military Size: 200,000 (150,000 Act. , 50,000 Res.)
Nation Focus:Foreign Affairs, Art and Culture
National Ideology: Zionism, Liberalism
Foreign Policy:Interventionist
Civil Freedoms:8
Primary Imports: Unprocessed Goods, Raw Material, Rubber
Primary Exports:Processed Goods, Agricultural Products, Oil and Precious Gems
Primary Culture: Hebrew (49.0%)& Arabic(49.4%)
Other Cultures:Berber(0.6%

Brief History:
The Hebrew State finds its roots in the city of Jerusalem; One of
he holiest cities on this earth. In the early years after American Civil War a secret society was formed, known as Eretz Yisrael, or Land of Israel its main goal was ultimately the creation of a Jewish or Hebrew State. They accomplished their goal, but on a small scale they managed to gain independence of Jerusalem and the territories around the Dead Sea. The rest of modern day Israel was controlled by Unorganized Arabic Tribes, eventually however the Hebrew state threw effective organization and military strength they began acquiring and annexing the lands West of Jordan River and north from Byzantium and south to the Sinai.

Howecer peace was not to follow the new state, a war in 1895 over the newly completed Suez Canal Zone between the Egyptian Caliphate ended in a surprising Hebrew Victory, the penance for the deafeted Egyptians was the Succession of the Suez Canal Zone, Dametta and Port Said. The hebrew state then entered a peaceful stage of its history no wars or anything of that sort. The economy grew, Judaism became a majority and the government stabilized. However when WWII came to Egypt horrible crimes where committed by the Nazi occupiers including the decimation of the Arab Population. The Hebrew State had become isolationist at this time, but after the Nazis demanded the Control of the Suez Canal Zone , the Hebrew State declared a state of war, the first stages of the Hanukkiya War as it was called by the Hebrews went poor for the Hewbrews they where pushed back to Be'er Sheva, but the brave Hebrew held the Be'er Sheva line and with international help pushed the Nazis back over the Suez which eventually culminated into the Seige of Cairo. Where the Nazi Administration there held out for 33 Days, before they surren
dered. The end of the Hanukkiya War brought Hebrew sovere
ignity over Egypt and Sudan. And now as 2013 rolls around the Hebrew King waits and schemes for the Hebrews to rise to the top.
Brief Economy:Mixed Agricultural Industrial with liberal economic policies.
Brief Government: The King is Head of State and excercises some direct constitutional power, most power is vested in the Knesset and the Cabinet.
RP Example: LAVMEO



DONE!

Bump for OP

Okay we all know the Jewish population was much much lower. Around the course of the American Civil War the Jewish population was about 20K, less than 10 percent of all of modern day Israel. Although they did make up almost half of the population of Jerusalem. Now could they have revolted against the Ottomans, as should of based on the OP, or whoever controlled the area but more than likely not some "unorganized Arabic Tribes"? I suppose it would be possible, but if concessions aren't made to the Muslim population it is near impossible as well as a highly unstable state if it is proclaimed a Hebrew nation. I suppose if an alternate route could be deporting all or the majority of the non Jews so that Jews become the majority or near Majority of the region.

Of course that brings up the issue about it invading Egypt. Even without practically depopulating the area the small nation encompassing modern day Israel would not have enough military strength to invade Egypt. I suppose if you want you can convince other players here to help you historically, but the much larger Egypt will likely try its best to control the finished canal. As the other mentioned you likely won't have the Nazis getting involved in Africa without Italy or another ally that has the capabilities to reach there. I think your best bet would be if the Hebrew nation sided with the Nazi's willingly in WWII. That may prompt Hitler to, instead of killing them off, actively deport the Jews to the Hebrew nation. Similarly Germany and it's allies could send the Hebrew nation assistance in manpower or weapons to defeat Egypt.

Last thing. For comparison, the modern day Islamic population or your land is 112,737,188 while the Jewish population is 7,406,696 or rather one fifteenth of the Islamic population. Earlier when I brought up the population issue for Jews to become anything close to half the population you said you would lower the population but it hasn't been yet that I see. Looking at it currently and with alternate history based on what has been done so far by yourself and other players I don't see the jewish population being no more than 45 million, assuming that all the Jews in the world decided to migrate to your kingdom in the past. Though I feel like depending on the course of WWII and how nations in this RP historically treated them since 1865 it would be less than that.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Maybe i should make S.O.F.M.A.S
Society of Fascist,Monarchic,and Authoritarian states

[Caltarania]

Maybe i should make S.O.F.M.A.S
Society of Fascist,Monarchic,and Authoritarian states

Monarchic =/= Fascist or Authoritarian >.>

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Maybe i should make S.O.F.M.A.S
Society of Fascist,Monarchic,and Authoritarian states

Monarchic =/= Fascist or Authoritarian >.>

What?
Società di Stati fascisti, monarchica e autoritaria it sounds cooler in Italian

[Parhe]

I would support something like this.

[Caltarania]

I would support something like this.

Oh shit oh fuck oh shit oh fuck.

Poland is fucked.

[Lunas Legion]

I would support something like this.

Between who?

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

I would support something like this.

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I have two Co-Emperors

[Parhe]

I would support something like this.

Between who?

More an alliance among the Monarchist states, not so much to keep the minorities under control. So I suppose the candidates including constitutional monarchies would be Italy, France, the Hebrew State, Argentina, Acre, Netherlands, Poland, Carpathians, China, and Columbia. Surprisingly only ten out of eighteen nations with apps so far. I thought there was more with how people talked earlier. India, Cuba and Bulgaria don't have applications yet.

[Asiatic Federation]

Who wants to be allies or trade partners with the Philippine Federation?

[Bolguria]

NS Name: Bolguria.
Nation Name: The Republic of Serbobulgaria.
Capital City: Sofia.
Government Type: Constitutional Republic.
Head of State: Marko Dragon.
Claimed Territory: Serbia, Bulgaria, and Macedonia (I'am already on the Map)
State/National Religion: Serbian/Bulgarian Orthodox.
Dominant Religion: Serbian/Bulgarian Orthodox.
Minority Religion(s): Islam and Judaism.
Population: 14,100,000
Military Organization: The Serbobulgarian Land Army, Air-Force, Border Police, and Navy. (What the different parts of your military are, I.E Marines, Navy , Army)
Military Size: Active 150,000 and 1,100,000 including reservists from ages 18-50. (Conscripts+Professionals).(Active & Reserve separately)
National Flag:

(Put in a spoiler.)
Coat of Arms:

(Put in a spoiler.)

National Focus: Serbobulgaria wishes to maintain it's level of land yet extend it's influence apart from the Balkan region.
National Ideology(s): Nationalism, Socialism, and Republicanism.
Foreign Policy: To establish a regional military docitain, and make sure that the region is stabilized.
Civil Freedoms (1-10): 9.
Primary Import(s): Oil and Gas.
Primary Export(s): Arms, and heavy industry.
Primary Culture: Slavic.
Other Cultures : Greek and Thracian.

Brief Description of your nation's History: Serbobulgaria was created after of 500 years of Byzantine rule. Both newly independent countries saw each other to face the same issues and problems, and that a joint agreement would ease the situation. The "Hародa споразумение" was a bill written by both a Serbian and Bulgarian delegation and created the nations. It was formed with 5 republics: Bulgaria, Serbia, Macedonia, Rumelia and Voyvodina. Serbobulgaria fought for the Allies in both world wars, where they have been called the "Gurkhas of Europe", as Serbobulgarian soldiers showed no mercy to their Nazi Germanic advisories. Serbobulgaria suffered a Communist Coup supplied by the USSR in 1944, which lead to Serbobulgaria becoming engulfed by the Red Block. In 1991, the Communist regime in Sofia came full circle and suffered their own coup lead by army General Yohani Pavlov. A 1997 reform package restored economic growth, but living standards continued to suffer. After 2001 economic, political and geopolitical conditions improved greatly, and it gained a triple AAA* credit rating.
Brief Description of your nation's economy: Serbobulgaria has an emerging market economy in the upper middle income range, where the private sector accounts for more than 70 per cent of GDP. From a largely agricultural country with a predominantly rural population in 1948, by the 1980s Bulgaria had transformed into an industrial economy with scientific and technological research at the top of its budgetary expenditure priorities. Through rampant budget cuts and the cap on inflation, Serbobulgaria suffered a great economic disaster in the mid to late 1990s, yet due to these policies, it allowed in longterm to improve the country's economy thus it's living standard. Inflation now stands at 0.09% and it GDP has more than doubled since 1990 due to increased foreign investment and development in industry and agriculture. It has a fairly large Tourism sector which has greatly affected the economy positively in the last decade.
Brief Description of your nation's government: Serbobulgaria is a parliamentary democracy in which the most powerful executive position is that of prime minister. The political system has three branches—legislative, executive and judicial, with universal suffrage for citizens at least 18 years old. Elections are supervised by an independent Central Election Commission that includes members from all major political parties.

RP Example: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=265286

[Epraria]

To serbobulgaria the ottomans never existed. Instead the area was under byzantine control until the balkan war 1876. Plus 4 million reserves? That seems to much but i am not the OP.

[Bolguria]

To serbobulgaria the ottomans never existed. Instead the area was under byzantine control until the balkan war 1876. Plus 4 million reserves? That seems to much but i am not the OP.

There are 9 million Bulgarians and 9 million Serbs in the world today. During Communist Bulgaria, we had a reserve army 3.something million. I think it's fair but I will change it if I must.

Edit: Changed the Ottoman to Byzantine.

[The New Lowlands]

NS Name: Lunas
Nation Name: United Kingdom of Frisia
Capital City: The Hague
Government Type: Constutional Monarchy
Head of State: Queen Charlotte van Vlanndenburg
Claimed Territory: The Netherlands, Flanders, Luxumbourg, Dutch West Indies
State/National Religion: Secular
Dominant Religion: Protestant
Minority Religion(s): Islam (Sunni/Shia), Hinduism, Buddhism
Population: 17 million
Military Organization:Royal Frisian Army (RFA), Royal Frisian Navy (RFN), Royal Frisian Air Force (RFAF), Frisian Colonial Legion (FCL)
Military Size: (Active & Reserve separately) 50,000 Active, 100,000 Reserve, 25,000 Paramilitary
National Flag: (Put in a spoiler.)
Coat of Arms: (Put in a spoiler.)

National Focus:( Military, Foreign/Internal Affairs, etc.) Internal affairs, economy
National Ideology(s): Libertarianism, Anti-Imperialism
Foreign Policy: Non-intervention
Civil Freedoms (1-10): 9
Primary Import(s): Manufactured goods
Primary Export(s): Financial services, Food
Primary Culture: (Primary culture/linguistic group): Dutch
Other Cultures : (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory): Flemish, German

Brief Description of your nation's History:
Brief Description of your nation's economy: The Frisian economy is heavily based on the shipping and financial services industries, along with tourism and agriculture. Very little industry exists.
Brief Description of your nation's government: The Frisian Parliment is a 3-party state, made up of a Conservative Party, a Liberal Party and a Socialist Party that isn't actually Socalist but calls itself that.

Each district elects a member to sit in Parliment, and the Party that receives the most votes overall becomes the ruling party while the party that won the most districts becomes the opposition.


RP Example:

Everything unfilled is TBD.

1) Why Frisia?
2) Why a kingdom?

[Vredlandia]

Snip

(Your population is a bit higher than it should be, but not considerably, so that shouldn't be a problem)

I've got to agree with Epraria, though: Your military is a little too much. Your active forces are already close to 2%, which would probably be a strain on your economy, especially if you've got another 4 million reserves, so 22% of your population.

A little more history would also be good, for example you could explain how your economy improved greatly, and not just say it did.

[Bolguria]

Snip

(Your population is a bit higher than it should be, but not considerably, so that shouldn't be a problem)

I've got to agree with Epraria, though: Your military is a little too much. Your active forces are already close to 2%, which would probably be a strain on your economy, especially if you've got another 4 million reserves, so 22% of your population.

A little more history would also be good, for example you could explain how your economy improved greatly, and not just say it did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs

It could be higher... I haven't even accounted Macedonians in my population.

[Vredlandia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs

It could be higher... I haven't even accounted Macedonians in my population.

The World Bank said there are ~7.2 million for Bulgaria and another 7.2 for Serbia. Macedonia stands at 2 million and something. That'd be 16 and something. Then you've also got to take the population of two Serbian provinces I own away, so it decreases a little. You see, the numbers your source provides aren't the populations of those nations, or would you say Poland has got 60 million inhabitants? But like I said, the population isn't the problem. (If you want to have a huge military and a worse economy, that's also no problem, but I assumed you would like to adapt your numbers a little)

Edit: If you click on 'Serbs' in your source, you will see there are even less Serbs living in Serbia than I proposed with my source.

[Dires]

Who wants to be allies or trade partners with the Philippine Federation?

trade is always good, buy some Chinese weapon systems and baby toys (no lead in this TL, promise)

[Epraria]

(Your population is a bit higher than it should be, but not considerably, so that shouldn't be a problem)

I've got to agree with Epraria, though: Your military is a little too much. Your active forces are already close to 2%, which would probably be a strain on your economy, especially if you've got another 4 million reserves, so 22% of your population.

A little more history would also be good, for example you could explain how your economy improved greatly, and not just say it did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs

It could be higher... I haven't even accounted Macedonians in my population.

Still your economy would not far well with that military.

[Dires]

I would support something like this.

I like this very much

[Epraria]

I wonder if i made a good choice in making my nation a republic?

[Dires]

NS Name: Lunas
Nation Name: United Kingdom of Frisia
Capital City: The Hague
Government Type: Constutional Monarchy
Head of State: Queen Charlotte van Vlanndenburg
Claimed Territory: The Netherlands, Flanders, Luxumbourg, Dutch West Indies
State/National Religion: Secular
Dominant Religion: Protestant
Minority Religion(s): Islam (Sunni/Shia), Hinduism, Buddhism
Population: 17 million
Military Organization:Royal Frisian Army (RFA), Royal Frisian Navy (RFN), Royal Frisian Air Force (RFAF), Frisian Colonial Legion (FCL)
Military Size: (Active & Reserve separately) 50,000 Active, 100,000 Reserve, 25,000 Paramilitary
National Flag: (Put in a spoiler.)
Coat of Arms: (Put in a spoiler.)

Ohhh, why would you still have colonies on the other side of the world if you are primarily a service and financial economy? Makes little sense.
National Focus:( Military, Foreign/Internal Affairs, etc.) Internal affairs, economy
National Ideology(s): Libertarianism, Anti-Imperialism
Foreign Policy: Non-intervention
Civil Freedoms (1-10): 9
Primary Import(s): Manufactured goods
Primary Export(s): Financial services, Food
Primary Culture: (Primary culture/linguistic group): Dutch
Other Cultures : (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory): Flemish, German

Brief Description of your nation's History:
Brief Description of your nation's economy: The Frisian economy is heavily based on the shipping and financial services industries, along with tourism and agriculture. Very little industry exists.
Brief Description of your nation's government: The Frisian Parliment is a 3-party state, made up of a Conservative Party, a Liberal Party and a Socialist Party that isn't actually Socalist but calls itself that.

Each district elects a member to sit in Parliment, and the Party that receives the most votes overall becomes the ruling party while the party that won the most districts becomes the opposition.


RP Example:

Everything unfilled is TBD.

1) Why Frisia?
2) Why a kingdom?

If you are a financial+service industry, why do you still have colonies on the other side of the world? Makes little sense.