Standoff: A WW2 AH RP (OOC)

[Paketo]

You realize that it was a stalemate due to the fact that neither side could advance. They were stuck in a gridlock. The armistice was signed from the fact that Germans simply could not support a the war for much longer. As for your links, you realize that some of that artillery is also from the French since Germany had advance into French territory. Your casualty figures say that Germany spent more money and lost more men then the French.

That just means Germany gave up before the allies broke the stalemate. Also, the fact that the shells are both German and French does not change that they ended up there in the first place. What were the French gonna do, not use artillery? Ergo, your point is moot.

The French did not have to agree to the armistice remember so they could of just taken their time and waited for the Germans to break. All I was saying with artillery was that it is not relevant because the Germans were not the only reason for it being there so how can the French use that to justify the Versailles treaty when they also fired those shells

[The Empire of Pretantia]

That just means Germany gave up before the allies broke the stalemate. Also, the fact that the shells are both German and French does not change that they ended up there in the first place. What were the French gonna do, not use artillery? Ergo, your point is moot.

The French did not have to agree to the armistice remember so they could of just taken their time and waited for the Germans to break. All I was saying with artillery was that it is not relevant because the Germans were not the only reason for it being there so how can the French use that to justify the Versailles treaty when they also fired those shells

Lets see: take all of Germany's money and dignity now for nothing, or wait a little longer so more of your men can die in one of the worst conflicts in human history? I think I'd rather end it right then and there.

As for the shells, it's simple: the French wouldn't need to replace their pumpkins with shells in the first place if Germany hadn't crossed the damn border.

[Fralinia]

So mad they did not win? So I guess this never happened?
And as for unreasonable demands, I point you to Exhibits A-C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_harvest
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWcosts.htm
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/FWWcasualties.htm

You realize that it was a stalemate due to the fact that neither side could advance. They were stuck in a gridlock. The armistice was signed from the fact that Germans simply could not support a the war for much longer. As for your links, you realize that some of that artillery is also from the French since Germany had advance into French territory. Your casualty figures say that Germany spent more money and lost more men then the French.

But you implicitly said "France didn't win". Well, France did win, and gained territory in the former Ottoman Empire, Alsace and Lorraine, and German Colonies in Africa.France did advance, in the Hundred Days Offensive, they forced the Germans past one of the greatest defensive lines in history, the Hindenbug Line, which I only second to the Mannerhiem Line. No matter how much it gets hyped up by both sides, it still repeled the Red Army for two months.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You realize that it was a stalemate due to the fact that neither side could advance. They were stuck in a gridlock. The armistice was signed from the fact that Germans simply could not support a the war for much longer. As for your links, you realize that some of that artillery is also from the French since Germany had advance into French territory. Your casualty figures say that Germany spent more money and lost more men then the French.

But you implicitly said "France didn't win". Well, France did win, and gained territory in the former Ottoman Empire, Alsace and Lorraine, and German Colonies in Africa.France did advance, in the Hundred Days Offensive, they forced the Germans past one of the greatest defensive lines in history, the Hindenbug Line, which I only second to the Mannerhiem Line. No matter how much it gets hyped up by both sides, it still repeled the Red Army for two months.

The red army? What you talkin' bout?

[Paketo]

The French did not have to agree to the armistice remember so they could of just taken their time and waited for the Germans to break. All I was saying with artillery was that it is not relevant because the Germans were not the only reason for it being there so how can the French use that to justify the Versailles treaty when they also fired those shells

Lets see: take all of Germany's money and dignity now for nothing, or wait a little longer so more of your men can die in one of the worst conflicts in human history? I think I'd rather end it right then and there.

As for the shells, it's simple: the French wouldn't need to replace their pumpkins with shells in the first place if Germany hadn't crossed the damn border.

The armistice just stopped the fighting. The treaty is what took all their money

War was going to break out, it was simply who was going to make the first move and Austria Hungary did.

Really, the entire war was Austria Hungary's fault for using the killing if archduke Ferdinand to declare war on Serbia which dragged everyone else into war, but France and England still pin the entire thing on Germany.

[Fralinia]

But you implicitly said "France didn't win". Well, France did win, and gained territory in the former Ottoman Empire, Alsace and Lorraine, and German Colonies in Africa.France did advance, in the Hundred Days Offensive, they forced the Germans past one of the greatest defensive lines in history, the Hindenbug Line, which I only second to the Mannerhiem Line. No matter how much it gets hyped up by both sides, it still repeled the Red Army for two months.

The red army? What you talkin' bout?

Fast forward to WW2. Molotov-Ribbentrop Act gives the Soviet Union the right to invade Finland. And it does.
Brilliant Finnish commander Baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim orders the establishment of a defensive line on the Isthmus of Karelia to keep out the Soviets. The Soviets lost 320,000 men. The Finns lost 25,000.

[Paketo]

You realize that it was a stalemate due to the fact that neither side could advance. They were stuck in a gridlock. The armistice was signed from the fact that Germans simply could not support a the war for much longer. As for your links, you realize that some of that artillery is also from the French since Germany had advance into French territory. Your casualty figures say that Germany spent more money and lost more men then the French.

But you implicitly said "France didn't win". Well, France did win, and gained territory in the former Ottoman Empire, Alsace and Lorraine, and German Colonies in Africa.France did advance, in the Hundred Days Offensive, they forced the Germans past one of the greatest defensive lines in history, the Hindenbug Line, which I only second to the Mannerhiem Line. No matter how much it gets hyped up by both sides, it still repeled the Red Army for two months.

Let me ask you what your definition of winning is? Did France really fit the definition. Yes they were on the victorious side of the war but would really say that they won with the losses they had of manpower, money and infrastructure

[Fralinia]

But you implicitly said "France didn't win". Well, France did win, and gained territory in the former Ottoman Empire, Alsace and Lorraine, and German Colonies in Africa.France did advance, in the Hundred Days Offensive, they forced the Germans past one of the greatest defensive lines in history, the Hindenbug Line, which I only second to the Mannerhiem Line. No matter how much it gets hyped up by both sides, it still repeled the Red Army for two months.

Let me ask you what your definition of winning is? Did France really fit the definition. Yes they were on the victorious side of the war but would really say that they won with the losses they had of manpower, money and infrastructure

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[The Empire of Pretantia]

But you implicitly said "France didn't win". Well, France did win, and gained territory in the former Ottoman Empire, Alsace and Lorraine, and German Colonies in Africa.France did advance, in the Hundred Days Offensive, they forced the Germans past one of the greatest defensive lines in history, the Hindenbug Line, which I only second to the Mannerhiem Line. No matter how much it gets hyped up by both sides, it still repeled the Red Army for two months.

Let me ask you what your definition of winning is? Did France really fit the definition. Yes they were on the victorious side of the war but would really say that they won with the losses they had of manpower, money and infrastructure

Yes, yes I would say that.

[Carathon]

How large does the Waffen SS currently number?

[Zeinbrad]

How large does the Waffen SS currently number?

*Puts hand on your shoulder*

If you are the Waffen SS, I trust you to handle these "Freedom" Fighters.

[Confederate People of the United States]

It is a labor camp man, they do the dirty work with machinery. It is not a death camp. So yes, it would be a blow to your economy.

Do you know what women do doing WW2?

Yes, but Jews were doing the same thing, and they were quite crucial too. The dirtier stuff, plus I get new recruits.

[Confederate People of the United States]

How large does the Waffen SS currently number?

*Puts hand on your shoulder*

If you are the Waffen SS, I trust you to handle these "Freedom" Fighters.

Hahaha good luck buddy.

[Zeinbrad]

WHY IS EVERYONE GANGING UP ON GERMANY! YOUR MAKING HIM CRY!

*Points to crying germany*

ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS MAKE FRIENDS!

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

WHY IS EVERYONE GANGING UP ON GERMANY! YOUR MAKING HIM CRY!

*Points to crying germany*

ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS MAKE FRIENDS!

Den don't be a big buwy... *Cries*

[Carathon]

*Puts hand on your shoulder*

If you are the Waffen SS, I trust you to handle these "Freedom" Fighters.

Hahaha good luck buddy.

I'll send in Reinhard Heydrich.

You may now consider yourselves dead.

[Gibberan]

WHY IS EVERYONE GANGING UP ON GERMANY! YOUR MAKING HIM CRY!

*Points to crying germany*

ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS MAKE FRIENDS!

Make friends, and exterminate the Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, Disabled, and pretty much everyone else that doesn't wear a Nazi button.

Except Harrison Ford. Cause he's boss like that.

[Fralinia]

WHY IS EVERYONE GANGING UP ON GERMANY! YOUR MAKING HIM CRY!

*Points to crying germany*

ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS MAKE FRIENDS!

"I just want to make friends"
WELL YOU SHOULDN'T GO AROUND INVADING PEOPLE THEN

[Zeinbrad]

WHY IS EVERYONE GANGING UP ON GERMANY! YOUR MAKING HIM CRY!

*Points to crying germany*

ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS MAKE FRIENDS!

Den don't be a big buwy... *Cries*

Jamming bullets down your throat is the German way of making friends.

[Carathon]

How large does the Waffen SS currently number?

*Puts hand on your shoulder*

If you are the Waffen SS, I trust you to handle these "Freedom" Fighters.

That's the Gestapo and co's job.

The Waffen SS are the SS that fight along the Heer in actual combat. In this reality, how many soldiers do they number?

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Den don't be a big buwy... *Cries*

Jamming bullets down your throat is the German way of making friends.

Yes. And burning them to a crisp or murdering them is the German way of making Best Friends?

[Confederate People of the United States]

WHY IS EVERYONE GANGING UP ON GERMANY! YOUR MAKING HIM CRY!

*Points to crying germany*

ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS MAKE FRIENDS!

Den don't be a big buwy... *Cries*

Ha my big brother is crying.

[Confederate People of the United States]

*Puts hand on your shoulder*

If you are the Waffen SS, I trust you to handle these "Freedom" Fighters.

That's the Gestapo and co's job.

The Waffen SS are the SS that fight along the Heer in actual combat. In this reality, how many soldiers do they number?

Too bad I shot some of your men. So whatever your numbers are, subtract 20 from the equation.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Den don't be a big buwy... *Cries*

Ha my big brother is crying.

*Slaps Confed in the back of the head*

[Fralinia]

Hey Belgium, you're a permanently neutral nation. You can't declare war on Germany.