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The Nation of Hay
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Postby The Nation of Hay » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:35 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Hmmm... Fertile Crescent-based empire, here we goooooo!

While it would be interesting to say the least, I'm focusing on an Indian empire. Who wants the spices?


I like spices :roll:

And perhaps the people of Aegyptus Maiora can sell you something you might like. Oils? Wines? Glassware? We also have the finest gems and gold ornaments in all the world!
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:38 am

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Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Well shite. Back to the drawing board. This is what I get for trying to go here on mobile.


Oh no, it's a fine post, I just need to know OOcly what the devil is going on :P

Horsemen fled to north and south. Assuming you can from the west. Simerii are shoring on your advancing men. Yes there are some casualties but both of our arrows falls short.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:41 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Hmmm... Fertile Crescent-based empire, here we goooooo!

While it would be interesting to say the least, I'm focusing on an Indian empire. Who wants the spices?


Did someone mention a trade good? *Ameralite senses perk up*

The polises already recieve some from the Silk Road's various tributaries, but more is always better!

The Nation of Hay wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Hmmm... Fertile Crescent-based empire, here we goooooo!

While it would be interesting to say the least, I'm focusing on an Indian empire. Who wants the spices?


I like spices :roll:

And perhaps the people of Aegyptus Maiora can sell you something you might like. Oils? Wines? Glassware? We also have the finest gems and gold ornaments in all the world!


Sell you say? I love selling, and buying. But, we already trade a lot :/

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G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Oh no, it's a fine post, I just need to know OOcly what the devil is going on :P

Horsemen fled to north and south. Assuming you can from the west. Simerii are shoring on your advancing men. Yes there are some casualties but both of our arrows falls short.


The Biblan force is advancing from the south, actually, but the chariots attacked the encircling Simerii from the west. Oh, and I didn't know you were shooting. If you want I can edit in casualties, but then your horsemen would have been within range of the composite Bandsmen short bows.
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Postby Adurnak » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:42 am

Can I just say that bows don't deal an awful lot of damage yet, I saw one source that said in the west at least, arrows could be stopped by leather armour around this time. (Not sure about composite bows from the east though?
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:45 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Hmmm... Fertile Crescent-based empire, here we goooooo!

While it would be interesting to say the least, I'm focusing on an Indian empire. Who wants the spices?


Did someone mention a trade good? *Ameralite senses perk up*

The polises already recieve some from the Silk Road's various tributaries, but more is always better!

The Nation of Hay wrote:
I like spices :roll:

And perhaps the people of Aegyptus Maiora can sell you something you might like. Oils? Wines? Glassware? We also have the finest gems and gold ornaments in all the world!


Sell you say? I love selling, and buying. But, we already trade a lot :/

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Horsemen fled to north and south. Assuming you can from the west. Simerii are shoring on your advancing men. Yes there are some casualties but both of our arrows falls short.


The Biblan force is advancing from the south, actually, but the chariots attacked the encircling Simerii from the west. Oh, and I didn't know you were shooting. If you want I can edit in casualties, but then your horsemen would have been within range of the composite Bandsmen short bows.

A great thanks, they fled towards the infantry. (Boy that's demoralizing)
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:46 am

Can I colonize further into Britain?

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Postby The Nation of Hay » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:49 am

Adurnak wrote:Can I just say that bows don't deal an awful lot of damage yet, I saw one source that said in the west at least, arrows could be stopped by leather armour around this time. (Not sure about composite bows from the east though?



Considering how expensive and difficult to maintain the composite bow was, the Aegyptian military uses about 30% composite bows, about 40% single-curve bows, and about 30% double-curve bows. Arrows were made of reed stalks, tipped with bronze, and were fletched with three feathers on the back.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:50 am

Adurnak wrote:Can I just say that bows don't deal an awful lot of damage yet, I saw one source that said in the west at least, arrows could be stopped by leather armour around this time. (Not sure about composite bows from the east though?


I'm not sure about leather, but they aren't dangerous to properly armored infantry in bronze , and even copper is rather goid at mitigating them. Horses, assuredly are vulnerable. Assyrianesque composite bows will be better from an accuracy/damage standpoint, as will copper and iron-tipped arrows, but they still won't do much to armored formations.

Slings, on the other hand.
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Postby The Nation of Hay » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:52 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Adurnak wrote:Can I just say that bows don't deal an awful lot of damage yet, I saw one source that said in the west at least, arrows could be stopped by leather armour around this time. (Not sure about composite bows from the east though?


I'm not sure about leather, but they aren't dangerous to properly armored infantry in bronze , and even copper is rather goid at mitigating them. Horses, assuredly are vulnerable. Assyrianesque composite bows will be better from an accuracy/damage standpoint, as will copper and iron-tipped arrows, but they still won't do much to armored formations.

Slings, on the other hand.


Bronze-tipped arrows could easily pierce leather armor, if fired with enough force (a simple single-curve bow could provide enough force), but you're right though, against a heavily-armored regiment, any arrows would be very difficult to use effectively.
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Postby Angle Empire » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:54 am

It'll be funny seeing farm horses carried in small fishing boats across miles of water to Britain.

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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:00 am

Angle Empire wrote:It'll be funny seeing farm horses carried in small fishing boats across miles of water to Britain.

If they’re not facing bretons as soon as they land they’re safe.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:02 am

Angle Empire wrote:It'll be funny seeing farm horses carried in small fishing boats across miles of water to Britain.


That's the same way I feel about fighting horsmen mounted on farm horses firing hunting bows.

The Nation of Hay wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
I'm not sure about leather, but they aren't dangerous to properly armored infantry in bronze , and even copper is rather good at mitigating them. Horses, assuredly are vulnerable. Assyrianesque composite bows will be better from an accuracy/damage standpoint, as will copper and iron-tipped arrows, but they still won't do much to armored formations.

Slings, on the other hand.


Bronze-tipped arrows could easily pierce leather armor, if fired with enough force (a simple single-curve bow could provide enough force), but you're right though, against a heavily-armored regiment, any arrows would be very difficult to use effectively.


That's why Egyptian armies started deploying slingers against Hittites during the New Kingdom; Egypt isn't conducive to composite bows in terms of weather or available resources, and the heavily armored Hittites laughed at simple-curve bows. You'll get casualties, but return fire against lightly armored soldiers will be brutal.

Also, Emilio, are you using bloomeries for your iron? According to a quick Google walk, those didn't arrive in anything more than curiosity form to Iberia until around the fourth century BCE. Though, I suppose Maran colonists would be using the technology, so it should diversify to an extent.
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Postby Angle Empire » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:04 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
Angle Empire wrote:It'll be funny seeing farm horses carried in small fishing boats across miles of water to Britain.

If they’re not facing bretons as soon as they land they’re safe.

He'll have a hell of a time if he lands. The natives have known the terrain of these lands for thousands of years. All he needs to do is move through one of our many many many forests and an ambush could wipe him out. The locals will kill his priests and immigrants too(and probably offer their hearts to Jahor).

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Postby The Nation of Hay » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:08 am

Perfect timing for a bountiful harvest, by the by, for the current ruler of Aegyptus Maiora is a very devout worshiper of the goddess of fertility and the harvest :p
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:09 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Angle Empire wrote:It'll be funny seeing farm horses carried in small fishing boats across miles of water to Britain.


That's the same way I feel about fighting horsmen mounted on farm horses firing hunting bows.

The Nation of Hay wrote:
Bronze-tipped arrows could easily pierce leather armor, if fired with enough force (a simple single-curve bow could provide enough force), but you're right though, against a heavily-armored regiment, any arrows would be very difficult to use effectively.


That's why Egyptian armies started deploying slingers against Hittites during the New Kingdom; Egypt isn't conducive to composite bows in terms of weather or available resources, and the heavily armored Hittites laughed at simple-curve bows. You'll get casualties, but return fire against lightly armored soldiers will be brutal.

Also, Emilio, are you using bloomeries for your iron? According to a quick Google walk, those didn't arrive in anything more than curiosity form to Iberia until around the fourth century BCE. Though, I suppose Maran colonists would be using the technology, so it should diversify to an extent.

Well, I am near some egyptians so those rubbed off on us.
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:10 am

The Nation of Hay wrote:Perfect timing for a bountiful harvest, by the by, for the current ruler of Aegyptus Maiora is a very devout worshiper of the goddess of fertility and the harvest :p

fertile cresent not the nile.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:10 am

The Nation of Hay wrote:Perfect timing for a bountiful harvest, by the by, for the current ruler of Aegyptus Maiora is a very devout worshiper of the goddess of fertility and the harvest :p

Bwah, your godess of fertility is nothing but a sham! The spirits of the Earth and Plants, you should build altars in their honour!
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Postby The Nation of Hay » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:12 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The Nation of Hay wrote:Perfect timing for a bountiful harvest, by the by, for the current ruler of Aegyptus Maiora is a very devout worshiper of the goddess of fertility and the harvest :p

fertile cresent not the nile.


The Nile Valley is considered part of the Fertile Crescent
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:15 am

The Nation of Hay wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:fertile cresent not the nile.


The Nile Valley is considered part of the Fertile Crescent

Why? The nile gives.constant supply of food whilst tigris and ephrates do not.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:18 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The Nation of Hay wrote:
The Nile Valley is considered part of the Fertile Crescent

Why? The nile gives.constant supply of food whilst tigris and ephrates do not.

Precicely. The Nile Valley is more fertile than Mesopotamia. But we can't really argue, it's a fact we can't change. The Nile is concidered part of the Crescent.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:20 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
That's the same way I feel about fighting horsmen mounted on farm horses firing hunting bows.



That's why Egyptian armies started deploying slingers against Hittites during the New Kingdom; Egypt isn't conducive to composite bows in terms of weather or available resources, and the heavily armored Hittites laughed at simple-curve bows. You'll get casualties, but return fire against lightly armored soldiers will be brutal.

Also, Emilio, are you using bloomeries for your iron? According to a quick Google walk, those didn't arrive in anything more than curiosity form to Iberia until around the fourth century BCE. Though, I suppose Maran colonists would be using the technology, so it should diversify to an extent.


Well, I am near some egyptians so those rubbed off on us.


The Aegyptians assuredly don't use bloomeries yet either :P They're only small-scale operations smelting about a kg of iron ore at a time, novel technology in central Anatolia.

Also, battle post up. My spears seek blood.
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Postby Angle Empire » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:22 am

Me needs new map.Remember, Wales IS NOT under the rule of the Ardeni, but it is mostly part of the Ardeni culture. So don't add wales to my territory.

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Postby The Nation of Hay » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:25 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:The Aegyptians assuredly don't use bloomeries yet either :P They're only small-scale operations smelting about a kg of iron ore at a time, novel technology in central Anatolia.

Also, battle post up. My spears seek blood.


We haven't begun to mass-produce iron, but we do have knowledge of it and will probably begin to produce it soonish. Also, the Aegyptians most likely traded with the Ameralites for iron (not enough to equip their entire military, but enough that high-ranking officers probably wield iron-tipped spears and wear iron link armor).
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:27 am

The Nation of Hay wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:The Aegyptians assuredly don't use bloomeries yet either :P They're only small-scale operations smelting about a kg of iron ore at a time, novel technology in central Anatolia.

Also, battle post up. My spears seek blood.


We haven't begun to mass-produce iron, but we do have knowledge of it and will probably begin to produce it soonish. Also, the Aegyptians most likely traded with the Ameralites for iron (not enough to equip their entire military, but enough that high-ranking officers probably wield iron-tipped spears and wear iron link armor).


Yes, that's what I meant. Production techniques, not the use thereof; I presumed you would trade for it, as well as already using meteoric iron weapons for wealthy individuals.
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Postby The Nation of Hay » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:28 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Nation of Hay wrote:
We haven't begun to mass-produce iron, but we do have knowledge of it and will probably begin to produce it soonish. Also, the Aegyptians most likely traded with the Ameralites for iron (not enough to equip their entire military, but enough that high-ranking officers probably wield iron-tipped spears and wear iron link armor).


Yes, that's what I meant. Production techniques, not the use thereof; I presumed you would trade for it, as well as already using meteoric iron weapons for wealthy individuals.


Yep.
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