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Paketo
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Postby Paketo » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:56 am

Reatra wrote:
Paketo wrote:
So the natives have matchlocks


No. I should set it in 1480 to have a few years of only native interaction and then the Mesoamericans and Taino find the white men.

The main idea is to be a native in this time.


*facepalm* my bad, I read that as the land bridge never disappeared so I thought matchlocks and such would have flowed over the landbridge
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Postby Reatra » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:57 am

Paketo wrote:
Reatra wrote:
No. I should set it in 1480 to have a few years of only native interaction and then the Mesoamericans and Taino find the white men.

The main idea is to be a native in this time.


*facepalm* my bad, I read that as the land bridge never disappeared so I thought matchlocks and such would have flowed over the landbridge


That's okay. But they'd more likely have Chinese/Mongol tech in that case.

Still, I was reading about the natives of my state in the US and I'm very intrigued.
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Postby Paketo » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:58 am

Reatra wrote:
Paketo wrote:
*facepalm* my bad, I read that as the land bridge never disappeared so I thought matchlocks and such would have flowed over the landbridge


That's okay. But they'd more likely have Chinese/Mongol tech in that case.

Still, I was reading about the natives of my state in the US and I'm very intrigued.

I would be interested in the Cherokee of NC
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Postby Reatra » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:02 am

Paketo wrote:
Reatra wrote:
That's okay. But they'd more likely have Chinese/Mongol tech in that case.

Still, I was reading about the natives of my state in the US and I'm very intrigued.

I would be interested in the Cherokee of NC


They have lots of potential, but are likely to meet the Europeans early. I'd be California, as they had the highest population of natives out of any state (a third of all natives in modern US) and are so divided it'd be fun to go from a tiny acorn-reliant village to a large native empire ready to take on the conquistadores.
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Postby Reatra » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:46 pm

Ahwaste was a peaceful village. About seven hundred men and women lived in the hamlet. While it was large by Ohlone standards, it was tiny compared to the towns to the east in the Yokut Valley, but they were far away and did not concern the Ramaytush much. What did concern them was the availability of the acorn trees, and the size of the fish caught that day, and is there were any bears wandering the outskirts of the village. Chief Xispe was in charge of Ahwaste, but recently he had become a kind of despot. He demanded food from the people for his family, and he worked the villagers as slaves. Everyone agreed he had to be dealt with, and one young man, Rei, organized a coup. Xispe was killed, his family banished to the lands of the Nisenan, and his possessions were confiscated and distributed to the supporters of the coup. Rei was now in power in Ahwaste, and he had dreams for the tiny tribe.


For that scenario about the Americas being connected until 1500 BCE and farming and megafauna.
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Postby Alleniana » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:30 pm

I'm not so sure about elephants and stuff; them just wandering through Siberia sounds a bit odd. :P

IMO, though, horses staying in the Americas would be well enough to propel most of the Americans to medieval tech levels by the time Europeans come around, and that'd be well enough to prevent any serious colonisation.

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Postby Bujahla » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:09 pm

Alleniana wrote:I'm not so sure about elephants and stuff; them just wandering through Siberia sounds a bit odd. :P

IMO, though, horses staying in the Americas would be well enough to propel most of the Americans to medieval tech levels by the time Europeans come around, and that'd be well enough to prevent any serious colonisation.


Which would be pretty cool and give me a leg up as Russia cause no colonies for me.

But they could still colonize the Carib islands probably.
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Postby Reatra » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:15 pm

Alleniana wrote:I'm not so sure about elephants and stuff; them just wandering through Siberia sounds a bit odd. :P

IMO, though, horses staying in the Americas would be well enough to propel most of the Americans to medieval tech levels by the time Europeans come around, and that'd be well enough to prevent any serious colonisation.


Everything. Not that they were walking around Siberia, but they didn't go extinct (or not as much) as IRL. Giant bears, mastodons, camels, "cheetahs", etc. Especially Bison.

The point is that the Spanish would land in the Mainland and see all this crap and say "you know what, let's turn around."

Also, the Columbian exchange is lessened for natives as America had more recent access to diseases, and worsened for Europeans as these massive creatures, some of which were domesticated (horses, camels, llamas, etc.) gave the Maeticans diseases too. While it's most definitely not the smallpox-on-natives kind... It's something.
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Postby Alleniana » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:46 pm

Bujahla wrote:
Alleniana wrote:I'm not so sure about elephants and stuff; them just wandering through Siberia sounds a bit odd. :P

IMO, though, horses staying in the Americas would be well enough to propel most of the Americans to medieval tech levels by the time Europeans come around, and that'd be well enough to prevent any serious colonisation.


Which would be pretty cool and give me a leg up as Russia cause no colonies for me.

But they could still colonize the Carib islands probably.

Various parts; I imagine areas like the far north, some small islands, trading enclaves, etc.
Overall, colonisation would be similar to that of European colonisation of Asia IRL; trading ports, some swathes, etc.
Reatra wrote:
Alleniana wrote:I'm not so sure about elephants and stuff; them just wandering through Siberia sounds a bit odd. :P

IMO, though, horses staying in the Americas would be well enough to propel most of the Americans to medieval tech levels by the time Europeans come around, and that'd be well enough to prevent any serious colonisation.


Everything. Not that they were walking around Siberia, but they didn't go extinct (or not as much) as IRL. Giant bears, mastodons, camels, "cheetahs", etc. Especially Bison.

The point is that the Spanish would land in the Mainland and see all this crap and say "you know what, let's turn around."

Also, the Columbian exchange is lessened for natives as America had more recent access to diseases, and worsened for Europeans as these massive creatures, some of which were domesticated (horses, camels, llamas, etc.) gave the Maeticans diseases too. While it's most definitely not the smallpox-on-natives kind... It's something.
Mmm. I think that if you only had horses, though, the scenario would still work and be plausible, while also having to modify natural history less that way.

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Postby Reatra » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:40 am

But Allen!

GIANT SLOTHS

MASTODONS IN CANADIA

GIANT BEARS

OMFG
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Postby Alleniana » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:43 am

Reatra wrote:But Allen!

GIANT SLOTHS

MASTODONS IN CANADIA

GIANT BEARS

OMFG

:P
we gotta rp dem hoomans tho

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Postby Reatra » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:44 am

Alleniana wrote:
Reatra wrote:But Allen!

GIANT SLOTHS

MASTODONS IN CANADIA

GIANT BEARS

OMFG

:P
we gotta rp dem hoomans tho


Dem dam hoomans. Ya.
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Postby Alleniana » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:46 am

Reatra wrote:
Alleniana wrote::P
we gotta rp dem hoomans tho


Dem dam hoomans. Ya.
hoooooman

wait a moment I'm one

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Postby Reatra » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:47 am

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Dem dam hoomans. Ya.
hoooooman

wait a moment I'm one


I'm no Human!

I'm a Velocirapper!

I'm from the Mesozoic Yo
But you already know
I'll rip your guts open with my big tooooooe
Claw,
Break your bones with my jaw
You know my teeth are just like a saw
Use them to rip out your jugulaaaaaaar

You really want to step to a Velocirapper like me?
With only one screech I make the Protoceratops flee
I own the Gobi Desert, it's all me
And while you make think its funny
We'll see
How saddened you'll be
When you look down and see you're missing a knee.




I made this up last night in the shower. I found an excuse to use it.
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Postby Caltarania » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:05 am

Alleniana wrote:
Reatra wrote:
Dem dam hoomans. Ya.
hoooooman

wait a moment I'm one


Whoman?
I'M FROM KYLARIS, AND I'M HERE TO HELP!

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Postby Bujahla » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:47 pm

Reatra wrote:But Allen!

GIANT SLOTHS

MASTODONS IN CANADIA

GIANT BEARS

OMFG


I've always wanted a RP like this, straight up.
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Postby Reatra » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:06 pm

Bujahla wrote:
Reatra wrote:But Allen!

GIANT SLOTHS

MASTODONS IN CANADIA

GIANT BEARS

OMFG


I've always wanted a RP like this, straight up.


Someone appreciates me.

There'd be farming mostly everywhere except the plains too.
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Bujahla
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Postby Bujahla » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:22 pm

Reatra wrote:
Bujahla wrote:
I've always wanted a RP like this, straight up.


Someone appreciates me.

There'd be farming mostly everywhere except the plains too.


https://www.google.com/search?q=farmlan ... B574%3B459
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Postby Aldelxane » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:23 pm

Bujahla wrote:
Reatra wrote:
Someone appreciates me.

There'd be farming mostly everywhere except the plains too.


https://www.google.com/search?q=farmlan ... B574%3B459

Before advanced (as in, 19th century European advanced) plows, terrain on the plains was not farmable/extremely difficult to farm, even though it had the potential to yield crops.
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Postby Reatra » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:24 pm

Aldelxane wrote:

Before advanced (as in, 19th century European advanced) plows, terrain on the plains was not farmable/extremely difficult to farm, even though it had the potential to yield crops.


Also horses make those tribes nomads... like IRL
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Postby Aldelxane » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:26 pm

Reatra wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Before advanced (as in, 19th century European advanced) plows, terrain on the plains was not farmable/extremely difficult to farm, even though it had the potential to yield crops.


Also horses make those tribes nomads... like IRL

Horses didn't make them nomads per se, it just made it viable for them to survive more successfully as nomads than before after being forced out of more prosperous lands/born into the plains.

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Postby Reatra » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:29 pm

Aldelxane wrote:
Reatra wrote:
Also horses make those tribes nomads... like IRL

Horses didn't make them nomads per se, it just made it viable for them to survive more successfully as nomads than before after being forced out of more prosperous lands/born into the plains.


Well, THESE plains natives have had it for millennia.
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Postby Aldelxane » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:32 pm

Reatra wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Horses didn't make them nomads per se, it just made it viable for them to survive more successfully as nomads than before after being forced out of more prosperous lands/born into the plains.


Well, THESE plains natives have had it for millennia.

And since they can't farm the plains, they would remain nomads, as you said.

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Postby Reatra » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:35 pm

Aldelxane wrote:
Reatra wrote:
Well, THESE plains natives have had it for millennia.

And since they can't farm the plains, they would remain nomads, as you said.


Yup.

Anyway, the tribes would be mostly IRL ones, but AH is allowed.
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Postby Aldelxane » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:36 pm

Reatra wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:And since they can't farm the plains, they would remain nomads, as you said.


Yup.

Anyway, the tribes would be mostly IRL ones, but AH is allowed.

If I had the free time I'd probably join that RP. Unfortunately, I have very little.
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