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Mishmahig
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Postby Mishmahig » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:02 pm

Reatra wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
GoT is also England/Britain.

The North is Yorkshire, the Westerlands are Lancashire (because it's ruled by the Lannisters of Casterly Rock), Beyond the Wall is Scotland, the Crownlands are the Home Counties, Dorne is Cornwall/the West Country etc.

The Firstmen are the Celts, the Andals are the Anglo-Saxons, the Targaryans are the Normans.


OMIGURD. That's cool.


I just assumed that... yeah....the history works. The map could just be confirmation bias.

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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:05 am

Aldelxane wrote:
Reatra wrote:
Naw...

Unless OP modernized India was also OP and had a Cold War with China, stopping each other from destroying everyone else, that's probably what'd happen.

I'd personally like an RP based around a modernised China. A huge empire, spanning from eastern Siberia to Vietnam, from Korea to Tibet, and then states all around the rest of the world; lots of broken off Chinese colonies in the Americas, modernising/tributary Middle/Near Easterns and south Asian states, and Europe and its few colonies, trying to catch up, while Africa is ever shithole and the landgrab for it has begun.

Basically, the world, except Made In China. :P
Reatra wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
GoT is also England/Britain.

The North is Yorkshire, the Westerlands are Lancashire (because it's ruled by the Lannisters of Casterly Rock), Beyond the Wall is Scotland, the Crownlands are the Home Counties, Dorne is Cornwall/the West Country etc.

The Firstmen are the Celts, the Andals are the Anglo-Saxons, the Targaryans are the Normans.


OMIGURD. That's cool.

:P it's as easy to interpret the ASoIaF world as geopolitic situations IRL as it is to interpret Frozen as a specific political/social message.

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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:23 am

Alleniana wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Unless OP modernized India was also OP and had a Cold War with China, stopping each other from destroying everyone else, that's probably what'd happen.

I'd personally like an RP based around a modernised China. A huge empire, spanning from eastern Siberia to Vietnam, from Korea to Tibet, and then states all around the rest of the world; lots of broken off Chinese colonies in the Americas, modernising/tributary Middle/Near Easterns and south Asian states, and Europe and its few colonies, trying to catch up, while Africa is ever shithole and the landgrab for it has begun.

Basically, the world, except Made In China. :P
Reatra wrote:
OMIGURD. That's cool.

:P it's as easy to interpret the ASoIaF world as geopolitic situations IRL as it is to interpret Frozen as a specific political/social message.

1. I guess as long as there was something internal stopping China from killing everyone out of hand.
2. That's because GRRM was likely influenced by IRL geopolitical situations, and likely used them for inspiration.
Last edited by Aldelxane on Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:23 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:32 am

Aldelxane wrote:
Alleniana wrote:I'd personally like an RP based around a modernised China. A huge empire, spanning from eastern Siberia to Vietnam, from Korea to Tibet, and then states all around the rest of the world; lots of broken off Chinese colonies in the Americas, modernising/tributary Middle/Near Easterns and south Asian states, and Europe and its few colonies, trying to catch up, while Africa is ever shithole and the landgrab for it has begun.

Basically, the world, except Made In China. :P

:P it's as easy to interpret the ASoIaF world as geopolitic situations IRL as it is to interpret Frozen as a specific political/social message.

1. I guess as long as there was something internal stopping China from killing everyone out of hand.
2. That's because GRRM was likely influenced by IRL geopolitical situations, and likely used them for inspiration.

1. I mean, that's the entire point of the RP. What if China got out of hand? How far could it go?
2. Or, rather, people love interpreting shit. :P

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Aldelxane
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Postby Aldelxane » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:38 am

Alleniana wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:1. I guess as long as there was something internal stopping China from killing everyone out of hand.
2. That's because GRRM was likely influenced by IRL geopolitical situations, and likely used them for inspiration.

1. I mean, that's the entire point of the RP. What if China got out of hand? How far could it go?
2. Or, rather, people love interpreting shit. :P

1. I guess. Because of the America cycle,
(as coined by myself, superpower invades other nation to make it favorable, other nation becomes less favorable again blc of anger at invaders and attacks superpower, superpower invades other nation to make it favorable)
I don't think it'd be able to take over the world.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:38 am

Alleniana wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:1. I guess as long as there was something internal stopping China from killing everyone out of hand.
2. That's because GRRM was likely influenced by IRL geopolitical situations, and likely used them for inspiration.

1. I mean, that's the entire point of the RP. What if China got out of hand? How far could it go?
2. Or, rather, people love interpreting shit. :P


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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:39 am

Aldelxane wrote:
Alleniana wrote:1. I mean, that's the entire point of the RP. What if China got out of hand? How far could it go?
2. Or, rather, people love interpreting shit. :P

1. I guess. Because of the America cycle,
(as coined by myself, superpower invades other nation to make it favorable, other nation becomes less favorable again blc of anger at invaders and attacks superpower, superpower invades other nation to make it favorable)
I don't think it'd be able to take over the world.

Yeah. It'd be sort of an exercise to see how far we could stretch the China cacao until it tastes like sawdust and ash. :P

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Liecthenbourg
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Postby Liecthenbourg » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:40 am

So, what new RP ideas are coming up?
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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:43 am

Liecthenbourg wrote:So, what new RP ideas are coming up?

Scandinavian colonialing (which I personally think should be North Sea Empire Plus, because hellyeah Nordic Countries + British Isles), and what if China modernised and went batshit.

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Postby Liecthenbourg » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:44 am

Alleniana wrote:
Liecthenbourg wrote:So, what new RP ideas are coming up?

Scandinavian colonialing (which I personally think should be North Sea Empire Plus, because hellyeah Nordic Countries + British Isles), and what if China modernised and went batshit.

Ahhhhh.
Interesting.

I have an RP idea bubbling in my head, but that is for later.
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The Gaullican Republic,
I thank God for Three Things:
Kylaris, the death of Esquarium, and Prem <3

The Transtsabaran Federation and The Chistovodian Workers' State

To understand European history watch these: Cultural erosion, German and Italian history, a brief history of Germany.

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Skaldia
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Postby Skaldia » Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:45 am

Alleniana wrote:
Liecthenbourg wrote:So, what new RP ideas are coming up?

Scandinavian colonialing (which I personally think should be North Sea Empire Plus, because hellyeah Nordic Countries + British Isles), and what if China modernised and went batshit.

I agree it should be a North Sea Empire. Maybe we could have a Southern mirror of the North Sea Empire? Maybe a resurgent Neo-Roman Empire? Heh?! Heh!? Nah, I just kid.
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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:07 am

Skaldia wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Scandinavian colonialing (which I personally think should be North Sea Empire Plus, because hellyeah Nordic Countries + British Isles), and what if China modernised and went batshit.

I agree it should be a North Sea Empire. Maybe we could have a Southern mirror of the North Sea Empire? Maybe a resurgent Neo-Roman Empire? Heh?! Heh!? Nah, I just kid.

It'd be nice to see some Ottoman-style empires in west/north Europe, IMO.

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Skaldia
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Postby Skaldia » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:10 am

Alleniana wrote:
Skaldia wrote:I agree it should be a North Sea Empire. Maybe we could have a Southern mirror of the North Sea Empire? Maybe a resurgent Neo-Roman Empire? Heh?! Heh!? Nah, I just kid.

It'd be nice to see some Ottoman-style empires in west/north Europe, IMO.

A Muslim in Rome?! How dare you contemplate such heresy!
Nah, it'd be fun to have most of Europe overrun with a few hardy European nations sticking it out to the bitter end. Also would act as a natural buffer between the Nords and Ottoman-types.
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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:21 am

Skaldia wrote:
Alleniana wrote:It'd be nice to see some Ottoman-style empires in west/north Europe, IMO.

A Muslim in Rome?! How dare you contemplate such heresy!
Nah, it'd be fun to have most of Europe overrun with a few hardy European nations sticking it out to the bitter end. Also would act as a natural buffer between the Nords and Ottoman-types.

Oh, by Ottoman-style, I meant empires run by a central ethnic group that doesn't assimilate the other groups in its empire. Basically a big sprawling successful blob somewhere across Europe.

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Postby Aldelxane » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:25 am

Alleniana wrote:
Skaldia wrote:A Muslim in Rome?! How dare you contemplate such heresy!
Nah, it'd be fun to have most of Europe overrun with a few hardy European nations sticking it out to the bitter end. Also would act as a natural buffer between the Nords and Ottoman-types.

Oh, by Ottoman-style, I meant empires run by a central ethnic group that doesn't assimilate the other groups in its empire. Basically a big sprawling successful blob somewhere across Europe.

What about that AND the China idea in one RP?

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Alleniana
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Postby Alleniana » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:25 am

Aldelxane wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Oh, by Ottoman-style, I meant empires run by a central ethnic group that doesn't assimilate the other groups in its empire. Basically a big sprawling successful blob somewhere across Europe.

What about that AND the China idea in one RP?

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Skaldia
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Postby Skaldia » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:27 am

Aldelxane wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Oh, by Ottoman-style, I meant empires run by a central ethnic group that doesn't assimilate the other groups in its empire. Basically a big sprawling successful blob somewhere across Europe.

What about that AND the China idea in one RP?

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Postby Monkeykind » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:30 am

Skaldia wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:What about that AND the China idea in one RP?

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Mindblown.

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Skaldia
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Postby Skaldia » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:32 am

Monkeykind wrote:
Skaldia wrote:Image

Mindblown.

Let's doooooo it.
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Caltarania
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Postby Caltarania » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:43 am

Alleniana wrote:
Reatra wrote:
OMIGURD. That's cool.

:P it's as easy to interpret the ASoIaF world as geopolitic situations IRL as it is to interpret Frozen as a specific political/social message.


Frozen is also geopolitical :P

It's all Scandinavia. Arendelle is Norway, Weselton is Sweden and the Southern Isles are Denmark. Kven is a Sami and Elsa is a witch.

:3

Alleniana wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:1. I guess as long as there was something internal stopping China from killing everyone out of hand.
2. That's because GRRM was likely influenced by IRL geopolitical situations, and likely used them for inspiration.

1. I mean, that's the entire point of the RP. What if China got out of hand? How far could it go?
2. Or, rather, people love interpreting shit. :P


2. Or because the map of Westeros is like entirely based off Great Britain and Ireland :P
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:44 am

Caltarania wrote:
2. Or because the map of Westeros is like entirely based off Great Britain and Ireland :P


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Postby Reatra » Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:51 am

Alleniana wrote:
Aldelxane wrote:Unless OP modernized India was also OP and had a Cold War with China, stopping each other from destroying everyone else, that's probably what'd happen.

I'd personally like an RP based around a modernised China. A huge empire, spanning from eastern Siberia to Vietnam, from Korea to Tibet, and then states all around the rest of the world; lots of broken off Chinese colonies in the Americas, modernising/tributary Middle/Near Easterns and south Asian states, and Europe and its few colonies, trying to catch up, while Africa is ever shithole and the landgrab for it has begun.

Basically, the world, except Made In China. :P
Reatra wrote:
OMIGURD. That's cool.

:P it's as easy to interpret the ASoIaF world as geopolitic situations IRL as it is to interpret Frozen as a specific political/social message.


1. I like the way you think...

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Postby Bujahla » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:12 pm

Caltarania wrote:
Alleniana wrote::P it's as easy to interpret the ASoIaF world as geopolitic situations IRL as it is to interpret Frozen as a specific political/social message.


Frozen is also geopolitical :P

It's all Scandinavia. Arendelle is Norway, Weselton is Sweden and the Southern Isles are Denmark. Kven is a Sami and Elsa is a witch.

:3

Alleniana wrote:1. I mean, that's the entire point of the RP. What if China got out of hand? How far could it go?
2. Or, rather, people love interpreting shit. :P


2. Or because the map of Westeros is like entirely based off Great Britain and Ireland :P


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Caltarania
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Postby Caltarania » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:32 pm

From Dust to Gold:

The year is 1900 CE; it has been 86 years since the infamous 'Treaty of Florence' was signed, formally ending the Napoleonic Wars on the terms that Napoleon stepped down from the title of Emperor, France remained a republic and it's best guarded secret that which had near won it the war - Alchemy - was to be distributed among the other great European powers. Perhaps it did not occur to Paré in the 1500's, when he discovered the power of Alchemy on a battlefield as a surgeon, that his discovery would allow France to overcome the combined might of Europe in order to hold the line in the final hours of 1814. Indeed, without the Alchemical power of the French Alchemist guilds, it's debatable whether the French Republic would have been able to push for the favourable terms that the Treaty of Florence offered.

But, either way, the Science of Alchemy had now been released to the world; it's power and splendor dwarfing the British achievement that was the Industrial Revolution. This, however, was not to continue, as in 1816 the now-famous Scottish 'Father of Alcho-Industry' Robert Davidson built on James Watt's theories and finally made the connections between Alchemy, Chemistry and Industry allowing for the British to utterly dominate in the colonial theatre, and allowing vast expansions into science and technology that had not been seen since that of the Renaissance. It also lead to Davidson's knighthood and entrance to the 'Royal Alchemical Guild of Britain'. The Royal Guild had long since competed with the French 'Ligue Française des Alchimistes', along with other Guilds such as the Dutch 'Organisatie van de Nederlandse en Vlaamse Alchemisten'. Indeed, the guilds of Europe - and, soon, of the Far East and of the Americas - would continue to compete and drive competition between themselves to drive the advancement of Alchemy.

However, Alchemy was not the only science that had been unleashed by Paré. His new-founded field of thought spurred on the advancement of many other sciences, such as Astrology and Psychokinesis. Alchemy, as aforementioned, has also expanded beyond Europe. The Federated States of America, the Empire of Amazonia and the Mexican Republic in the Americas too have Alchemical Guilds, along with the Japanese Empire and Chinese Confederacy in the Far East. They have long since begun to catch up with the European Powers, and now they hunger for the Pacific and Asian territories held by the European invaders...

So where will you stand? In this world where Alchemy is both a Science and an Art of War, where Telekinetics can change the course of battle and where Astrologists can predict the future? Where will you stand in this world where dust can turn to gold?
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Postby Reatra » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:35 pm

Caltarania wrote:From Dust to Gold:

The year is 1900 CE; it has been 86 years since the infamous 'Treaty of Florence' was signed, formally ending the Napoleonic Wars on the terms that Napoleon stepped down from the title of Emperor, France remained a republic and it's best guarded secret that which had near won it the war - Alchemy - was to be distributed among the other great European powers. Perhaps it did not occur to Paré in the 1500's, when he discovered the power of Alchemy on a battlefield as a surgeon, that his discovery would allow France to overcome the combined might of Europe in order to hold the line in the final hours of 1814. Indeed, without the Alchemical power of the French Alchemist guilds, it's debatable whether the French Republic would have been able to push for the favourable terms that the Treaty of Florence offered.

But, either way, the Science of Alchemy had now been released to the world; it's power and splendor dwarfing the British achievement that was the Industrial Revolution. This, however, was not to continue, as in 1816 the now-famous Scottish 'Father of Alcho-Industry' Robert Davidson built on James Watt's theories and finally made the connections between Alchemy, Chemistry and Industry allowing for the British to utterly dominate in the colonial theatre, and allowing vast expansions into science and technology that had not been seen since that of the Renaissance. It also lead to Davidson's knighthood and entrance to the 'Royal Alchemical Guild of Britain'. The Royal Guild had long since competed with the French 'Ligue Française des Alchimistes', along with other Guilds such as the Dutch 'Organisatie van de Nederlandse en Vlaamse Alchemisten'. Indeed, the guilds of Europe - and, soon, of the Far East and of the Americas - would continue to compete and drive competition between themselves to drive the advancement of Alchemy.

However, Alchemy was not the only science that had been unleashed by Paré. His new-founded field of thought spurred on the advancement of many other sciences, such as Astrology and Psychokinesis. Alchemy, as aforementioned, has also expanded beyond Europe. The Federated States of America, the Empire of Amazonia and the Mexican Republic in the Americas too have Alchemical Guilds, along with the Japanese Empire and Chinese Confederacy in the Far East. They have long since begun to catch up with the European Powers, and now they hunger for the Pacific and Asian territories held by the European invaders...

So where will you stand? In this world where Alchemy is both a Science and an Art of War, where Telekinetics can change the course of battle and where Astrologists can predict the future? Where will you stand in this world where dust can turn to gold?


I will take over the world as Switzerland.

We have dust AND gold to start out with.
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