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[Skaldia]

天父天兄天王太平天囯. The Heavenly Kingdom of Great Peace. How could I forget about the Taiping.

I assume you are referring to AMAAQ

[Sveltlana]

天父天兄天王太平天囯. The Heavenly Kingdom of Great Peace. How could I forget about the Taiping.

I assume you are referring to AMAAQ

No, I'm thinking about integrating a successful Taiping rebellion into MiM.

Perhaps the Russians splattered most of the Imperial army, which allowed the Taipings to have greater success?

[Skaldia]

I assume you are referring to AMAAQ

No, I'm thinking about integrating a successful Taiping rebellion into MiM.

Perhaps the Russians splattered most of the Imperial army, which allowed the Taipings to have greater success?

Makes sense.

[Rephesus]

Not just Europeans, most major precolonial advances came from elsewhere, for example the Printing Press and Gunpowder from East Asia, or Numerical Zero from Arabia, various regions within the Americas would be responsible for different innovations, I envision the RL East coast of the US, along with La Plata and the Caribbean to be some of the major power centres, with the Andes and Alaskan/Cascadian range also having several powerful nations. On the interior I believe most players wouldn't want simply because the lack of a coastline, so I may end up doing some sort of large OP Board controlled Midwest/Brazzainterior nations to try and effect random events.

Horses back due to no disease and what not? Lovely. Would the map be premade or up to player decisions?

Map claims would be made by player apps as per usual, however the RP wont start until most of the americas are filled, when we have enough I'll draw plots for new players. The interior regions in the Midwest and West Brazil will have NPC OP-Board nations that are landlocked, these'll serve in random events.

[Skaldia]

Horses back due to no disease and what not? Lovely. Would the map be premade or up to player decisions?

Map claims would be made by player apps as per usual, however the RP wont start until most of the americas are filled, when we have enough I'll draw plots for new players. The interior regions in the Midwest and West Brazil will have NPC OP-Board nations that are landlocked, these'll serve in random events.

Works for me. I have an idea for a Iroquois nation.

[Reatra]

Map claims would be made by player apps as per usual, however the RP wont start until most of the americas are filled, when we have enough I'll draw plots for new players. The interior regions in the Midwest and West Brazil will have NPC OP-Board nations that are landlocked, these'll serve in random events.

Works for me. I have an idea for a Iroquois nation.

Just remember. It's been two thousand years and lots of advancements. The culture is very different. Having the Iroquois is like having Rome today.

[Skaldia]

Works for me. I have an idea for a Iroquois nation.

Just remember. It's been two thousand years and lots of advancements. The culture is very different. Having the Iroquois is like having Rome today.

Maybe a better way to say it would be it's just gonna be New England.

[Rephesus]

Just remember. It's been two thousand years and lots of advancements. The culture is very different. Having the Iroquois is like having Rome today.

Maybe a better way to say it would be it's just gonna be New England.

Well, just keep in mind from a cultural and linguistic standpoint 'English' and Anglo in general don't really exist. If you meant in terms of land, that's fine

[Skaldia]

Maybe a better way to say it would be it's just gonna be New England.

Well, just keep in mind from a cultural and linguistic standpoint 'English' and Anglo in general don't really exist. If you meant in terms of land, that's fine

I meant geographically.

[Bujahla]

That's what Vice is. You don't do much work, you just kind of are there for helping with history and creativity and keeping the RP alive. If we got Waz on board, I think it'd be:
OP - Waz
Vice - You
Co-OP's - Calt, Glitter, Me

That'd be a good team.

I'm not 100% on board with the Waz idea.

That's fine, but we should figure out something to get going on because this RP has lots of support.

[Caltarania]

Literally kill Ulster, kill Scotland, kill Wales, kill England, form Britannia.

After they, hey France c:

XD Reminds me of a PolandBall I saw

Ah! Here.

Touchscreens and Firepower

And that is how the Dual Kingdom was formed.

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Seriously though guys why all the good ideas when I can't actually join them because fucking A Levels?

EDIT: Also, for that map thing, Canada wouldn't be able to survive independently of Britain. It has lost it's two main ports, Vancouver and Halifax, and one it's biggest cities - Vancouver also. It wouldn't be able to sell it's mass of resource effectively enough.

[Rephesus]

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Seriously though guys why all the good ideas when I can't actually join them because fucking A Levels?

EDIT: Also, for that map thing, Canada wouldn't be able to survive independently of Britain. It has lost it's two main ports, Vancouver and Halifax, and one it's biggest cities - Vancouver also. It wouldn't be able to sell it's mass of resource effectively enough.

Vancouver wasn't actually that big back then, yes it along with Victoria were the main Pacific ports, but in terms of cities, Vancouver wasn't all that important until the 20th century when it started blowing up and industrializing. Infact, until recently it was significantly smaller than Montreal, and a long time ago it was even smaller than Calgary.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

There is a new RP in the making?

[Kryskov]

There is a new RP in the making?

There's like 5.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

There is a new RP in the making?

There's like 5.

Oh nice! That's cool. I can't wait to see them.

[Kryskov]

So idea:

A modern world RP that resolves what most encounter as a severe problem.

WIP Alt-Hist.

1. South Vietnam wins the Vietnam war: The US focused on counterguerilla tactics and protecting South Vietnamese villagers instead of pursuing a harsh, brute force strategy. The US government actively addresses some grievances of the South Vietnamese people and work to reduce corruption and brutality in the South Vietnamese government. After the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong are largely depleted and are eliminated as a significant factor in the war. NVA regulars encounter frequent problems from the pro-US villagers. Many give intelligence to the US troops or form civilian defense forces to fight the NVA themselves. The US troops take on a more effective role of being trainers and supporters to ARVN troops in the field. By 1970, operational activity is handed over to the South Vietnamese and the US starts to phase out troops. After Ho Chi Minh's death, a power struggle between pro-peace and pro-war factions result in an effective governmental collapse. ARVN troops, with US air support, cross the DMZ and take over most of North Vietnam. When Hanoi is captured in 1973, US ground troops are pulled out of Vietnam completely. North Vietnam capitulates and surrenders. The US maintains a large presence in Khe Sanh and Da Nang.

2. The Sino-Vietnamese Border Conflict: In 1979, a border dispute between the Republic of Vietnam and the People's Republic of China escalates into border skirmishes. Soviet leader Brezhnev clamors for war with China. However, with the US supplying arms to the Vietnamese, the Chinese and Vietnamese sign a truce declaring a draw and leaving the borders as they are.

3. Brezhnev's Reconciliation: Without a viable and reliable Soviet ally in SE Asia, Soviet leader Brezhnev reconciles with the PRC and reestablishes good relations in 1980. The two nations agree to support each other in the UN.

4. The Iranian Islamic Revolution of 1979: In 1979, the Shah of Iran is overthrown by Islamists led by Ayatollah Khomeini. Iraq, under the new leadership of Saddam Hussein, uses the revolution to invade Iran. The Soviet Union lends support to the Iranians, while the US stations troops in Saudi Arabia. The US begins to aide Iraq, though Hussein promises to not use chemical weapons and to respect the human rights of the Iranians and Kurds. After a Soviet-Iranian offensive, the US begins to move troops into Iraq, now on the defensive. The US-Iraqi forces defeat the Iranians. During this time, however, several American hostages in Iran are executed for espionage. The Soviets withdraw their support, and the US officially declares war on Iran in early 1980. The Americans quickly launch offensives with the Iraqis. After several months of fierce and costly fighting in the mountains, the US finally pierces into the Iranian heartland and overthrows the Islamic Republic, replacing it with a democratic republic. Through negotiations with the Soviet Union, who now threatens direct invasion, the US agrees to withdraw from Iran in exchange for Soviet aid in keeping the democratic Iran stable. Iraq gains the Khuzestan province.

5. The Korean War: In 1984, the People's Republic of Korea invades the Republic of Korea after skirmishes over various Korean islands and fishing waters. China and the USSR back North Korea, while the US, Japan, and Vietnam support South Korea. However, not wishing to face a potentially costly war like in Vietnam and Iran, the US limits its operations to naval and air missions, with occasional insertions of ground troops as support. Under pressure, the US and Japan sign the Kyoto accords, allotting for the creation of an official Japanese Armed Forces for the first time in nearly 40 years. Japan lands troops in Korea.

6. (Part of Korean War) The UN Crisis of 1985: In early 1985, the United Nations convened to determine its stance on Korea. The UNSC could not pass a Resolution demanding UN intervention in Korea. The UNGA, however, narrowly passes a resolution condemning the North Koreans and their allies, as well as recommending sending aid to South Korea. Angered and upset, the Soviet Union, Communist China, and all of their allies and puppets leave the UN. A UN Charter crisis erupts. Many new African nations withdraw from the UN, preferring to not deal with resolving international affairs while they face internal problems. The UN effectively becomes a NATO puppet organization, and many neutral countries then leave. The UN is dissolved and is seen as a failure, just like the League of Nations. International law is now governed solely by international treaties and the Geneva Conventions.

7. The end of the Korean War: South Korea, much more developed and unified than in 1950, is able to effectively hold of the North Koreans. The Battle of Pyongyang, resulting in a South Korean victory, has China issue another ultimatum that it will commit ground troops if the Koreans advance further. Kim Il-Sung retreats and reestablishes North Korea in the city of Chongjin. North Korea signs a secret agreement with the South Koreans to end the war in 1987. North Korean media is strictly controlled, but North Korea realizes it has to invest in more food producing operations.

8. The Fall of the Berlin Wall: In 1989, the Soviet Union, facing some economic problems, begins to release some of its satellite states. East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Poland are released. The Baltic Union of Socialist Republics splits from the USSR and takes a more moderate, democratic-socialist approach. Poland is the only released puppet able to establish itself. Czechoslovakia erupts into civil war, ending in the split of the Czechs and Slovaks. East Germany almost immediately collapses and is taken over by West Germany.

9. The Commonwealth of Socialist States: In 1990, the Soviet Union partially collapses. It institutes a looser form of Communism and socialism and allows multi-party elections on the local level. Gorbachev retains power and focuses on rebuilding the Soviet Union. He forms the CSS, allowing for greater autonomy in the former SSR's.

10. Collapse of Yugoslavia: The CSS extends its support to the Serbian Yugoslav loyalists and gives limited military support and aid to those fighting in Croatia and Bosnia. War crimes are committed by both sides, however, leading to another proxy war. The Serbians eventually reintegrate the others back into Yugoslavia. This marks a turning point, being the first time in many years that Russia has been able to win a proxy war against the US. The US and Russia develop a cautious respect for each other, and continue further nuclear disarmament. China also consents, agreeing to cease nuclear production.

11. The Iraqi War Crimes: In the early to mid 1990s, Iraq tried to solidify itself into a single, unitary state with one ethnicity and one religion. The Hussein regime began to gas the Kurdish people, partially in revenge for their participation with Iran in the Persian Gulf War (1979). The CSS and US jointly issue an ultimatum requiring the cessation of the gas attacks and the disarmament of Iraq's chemical weapons, as well as indemnities to the Kurdish people. Iraq agrees to cease the attacks, but disarmament and reparation is slow and unreliable. The US once again stations troops in Saudi Arabia.

12. The Kuwait-Iraq War: Saddam, continuing his mission to assert hegemony over much of the Arab world, invades Kuwait to further increase his grip on the Persian Gulf. Kuwait is over driven and unofficially annexed by Iraq. US President Bill Clinton issues an ultimatum to Iraq in mid 1996 to withdraw from Kuwait or face military action. The deadline set expires, and US troops in Saudi Arabia, in a very successful offensive, not only push Iraqis out of Kuwait, but also march into Baghdad, overthrowing Hussein, who is brought up in Kuwait for charges of war crimes. Iraq is split into two states: the Republic of Iraq, and the Republic of Kurdistan.

13. 9/11 and the Rise of Al Qaeda: In 1998, the US embassy in Erbil is bombed. Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, who rose to prominence during the Persian Gulf War and Kuwait-Iraq War funding Islamic paramilitary groups, claims responsibility. US presence in Iraq is increased against the Iraqi government's wishes. On September 11, 2001, Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists hijacked and flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania. The US, backed by widespread international support, begins to launch ground operations against Al-Qaeda after Bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks conducted as an act of revenge for stationing US troops in Muslim holy sites. The nations of Iran and Afghanistan, who have funded Al-Qaeda and have, in recent years, committed various crimes against minority religions, are invaded by the US with support from Iraq and Kurdistan. The conflict lasts for over a decade, with US troops being pulled out of Iran in 2010 and Afghanistan in 2013. Bin Laden is killed in May of 2011, and Al-Qaeda beings to dwindle in power and numbers.

14. The IS Crisis: During the Syrian Civil War, the Al-Qaeda affiliated group, the Islamic State, began considerable ground operations in SE Syria, taking over much territory. IS officially invaded Kurdistan months later, and the Syrians, Kurds, and Iraqis are now entangled in a battle to keep IS from running over the country. IS has now spilled over into Iraq, and has captured considerable land. After the massacres against the Yazidi people, the US and CSS launch a mutual bombing campaign on IS controlled areas.

Again, it's WIP. May add or subtract details.

[Aldelxane]

So idea:

A modern world RP that resolves what most encounter as a severe problem.

WIP Alt-Hist.

1. South Vietnam wins the Vietnam war: The US focused on counterguerilla tactics and protecting South Vietnamese villagers instead of pursuing a harsh, brute force strategy. The US government actively addresses some grievances of the South Vietnamese people and work to reduce corruption and brutality in the South Vietnamese government. After the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong are largely depleted and are eliminated as a significant factor in the war. NVA regulars encounter frequent problems from the pro-US villagers. Many give intelligence to the US troops or form civilian defense forces to fight the NVA themselves. The US troops take on a more effective role of being trainers and supporters to ARVN troops in the field. By 1970, operational activity is handed over to the South Vietnamese and the US starts to phase out troops. After Ho Chi Minh's death, a power struggle between pro-peace and pro-war factions result in an effective governmental collapse. ARVN troops, with US air support, cross the DMZ and take over most of North Vietnam. When Hanoi is captured in 1973, US ground troops are pulled out of Vietnam completely. North Vietnam capitulates and surrenders. The US maintains a large presence in Khe Sanh and Da Nang.

2. The Sino-Vietnamese Border Conflict: In 1979, a border dispute between the Republic of Vietnam and the People's Republic of China escalates into border skirmishes. Soviet leader Brezhnev clamors for war with China. However, with the US supplying arms to the Vietnamese, the Chinese and Vietnamese sign a truce declaring a draw and leaving the borders as they are.

3. Brezhnev's Reconciliation: Without a viable and reliable Soviet ally in SE Asia, Soviet leader Brezhnev reconciles with the PRC and reestablishes good relations in 1980. The two nations agree to support each other in the UN.

4. The Iranian Islamic Revolution of 1979: In 1979, the Shah of Iran is overthrown by Islamists led by Ayatollah Khomeini. Iraq, under the new leadership of Saddam Hussein, uses the revolution to invade Iran. The Soviet Union lends support to the Iranians, while the US stations troops in Saudi Arabia. The US begins to aide Iraq, though Hussein promises to not use chemical weapons and to respect the human rights of the Iranians and Kurds. After a Soviet-Iranian offensive, the US begins to move troops into Iraq, now on the defensive. The US-Iraqi forces defeat the Iranians. During this time, however, several American hostages in Iran are executed for espionage. The Soviets withdraw their support, and the US officially declares war on Iran in early 1980. The Americans quickly launch offensives with the Iraqis. After several months of fierce and costly fighting in the mountains, the US finally pierces into the Iranian heartland and overthrows the Islamic Republic, replacing it with a democratic republic. Through negotiations with the Soviet Union, who now threatens direct invasion, the US agrees to withdraw from Iran in exchange for Soviet aid in keeping the democratic Iran stable. Iraq gains the Khuzestan province.

5. The Korean War: In 1984, the People's Republic of Korea invades the Republic of Korea after skirmishes over various Korean islands and fishing waters. China and the USSR back North Korea, while the US, Japan, and Vietnam support South Korea. However, not wishing to face a potentially costly war like in Vietnam and Iran, the US limits its operations to naval and air missions, with occasional insertions of ground troops as support. Under pressure, the US and Japan sign the Kyoto accords, allotting for the creation of an official Japanese Armed Forces for the first time in nearly 40 years. Japan lands troops in Korea.

6. (Part of Korean War) The UN Crisis of 1985: In early 1985, the United Nations convened to determine its stance on Korea. The UNSC could not pass a Resolution demanding UN intervention in Korea. The UNGA, however, narrowly passes a resolution condemning the North Koreans and their allies, as well as recommending sending aid to South Korea. Angered and upset, the Soviet Union, Communist China, and all of their allies and puppets leave the UN. A UN Charter crisis erupts. Many new African nations withdraw from the UN, preferring to not deal with resolving international affairs while they face internal problems. The UN effectively becomes a NATO puppet organization, and many neutral countries then leave. The UN is dissolved and is seen as a failure, just like the League of Nations. International law is now governed solely by international treaties and the Geneva Conventions.

7. The end of the Korean War: South Korea, much more developed and unified than in 1950, is able to effectively hold of the North Koreans. The Battle of Pyongyang, resulting in a South Korean victory, has China issue another ultimatum that it will commit ground troops if the Koreans advance further. Kim Il-Sung retreats and reestablishes North Korea in the city of Chongjin. North Korea signs a secret agreement with the South Koreans to end the war in 1987. North Korean media is strictly controlled, but North Korea realizes it has to invest in more food producing operations.

8. The Fall of the Berlin Wall: In 1989, the Soviet Union, facing some economic problems, begins to release some of its satellite states. East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Poland are released. The Baltic Union of Socialist Republics splits from the USSR and takes a more moderate, democratic-socialist approach. Poland is the only released puppet able to establish itself. Czechoslovakia erupts into civil war, ending in the split of the Czechs and Slovaks. East Germany almost immediately collapses and is taken over by West Germany.

9. The Commonwealth of Socialist States: In 1990, the Soviet Union partially collapses. It institutes a looser form of Communism and socialism and allows multi-party elections on the local level. Gorbachev retains power and focuses on rebuilding the Soviet Union. He forms the CSS, allowing for greater autonomy in the former SSR's.

10. Collapse of Yugoslavia: The CSS extends its support to the Serbian Yugoslav loyalists and gives limited military support and aid to those fighting in Croatia and Bosnia. War crimes are committed by both sides, however, leading to another proxy war. The Serbians eventually reintegrate the others back into Yugoslavia. This marks a turning point, being the first time in many years that Russia has been able to win a proxy war against the US. The US and Russia develop a cautious respect for each other, and continue further nuclear disarmament. China also consents, agreeing to cease nuclear production.

11. The Iraqi War Crimes: In the early to mid 1990s, Iraq tried to solidify itself into a single, unitary state with one ethnicity and one religion. The Hussein regime began to gas the Kurdish people, partially in revenge for their participation with Iran in the Persian Gulf War (1979). The CSS and US jointly issue an ultimatum requiring the cessation of the gas attacks and the disarmament of Iraq's chemical weapons, as well as indemnities to the Kurdish people. Iraq agrees to cease the attacks, but disarmament and reparation is slow and unreliable. The US once again stations troops in Saudi Arabia.

12. The Kuwait-Iraq War: Saddam, continuing his mission to assert hegemony over much of the Arab world, invades Kuwait to further increase his grip on the Persian Gulf. Kuwait is over driven and unofficially annexed by Iraq. US President Bill Clinton issues an ultimatum to Iraq in mid 1996 to withdraw from Kuwait or face military action. The deadline set expires, and US troops in Saudi Arabia, in a very successful offensive, not only push Iraqis out of Kuwait, but also march into Baghdad, overthrowing Hussein, who is brought up in Kuwait for charges of war crimes. Iraq is split into two states: the Republic of Iraq, and the Republic of Kurdistan.

13. 9/11 and the Rise of Al Qaeda: In 1998, the US embassy in Erbil is bombed. Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, who rose to prominence during the Persian Gulf War and Kuwait-Iraq War funding Islamic paramilitary groups, claims responsibility. US presence in Iraq is increased against the Iraqi government's wishes. On September 11, 2001, Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists hijacked and flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania. The US, backed by widespread international support, begins to launch ground operations against Al-Qaeda after Bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks conducted as an act of revenge for stationing US troops in Muslim holy sites. The nations of Iran and Afghanistan, who have funded Al-Qaeda and have, in recent years, committed various crimes against minority religions, are invaded by the US with support from Iraq and Kurdistan. The conflict lasts for over a decade, with US troops being pulled out of Iran in 2010 and Afghanistan in 2013. Bin Laden is killed in May of 2011, and Al-Qaeda beings to dwindle in power and numbers.

14. The IS Crisis: During the Syrian Civil War, the Al-Qaeda affiliated group, the Islamic State, began considerable ground operations in SE Syria, taking over much territory. IS officially invaded Kurdistan months later, and the Syrians, Kurds, and Iraqis are now entangled in a battle to keep IS from running over the country. IS has now spilled over into Iraq, and has captured considerable land. After the massacres against the Yazidi people, the US and CSS launch a mutual bombing campaign on IS controlled areas.

Again, it's WIP. May add or subtract details.

Did an Arab Spring analogue happen in this TL?

[Kryskov]

So idea:

A modern world RP that resolves what most encounter as a severe problem.

WIP Alt-Hist.

1. South Vietnam wins the Vietnam war: The US focused on counterguerilla tactics and protecting South Vietnamese villagers instead of pursuing a harsh, brute force strategy. The US government actively addresses some grievances of the South Vietnamese people and work to reduce corruption and brutality in the South Vietnamese government. After the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong are largely depleted and are eliminated as a significant factor in the war. NVA regulars encounter frequent problems from the pro-US villagers. Many give intelligence to the US troops or form civilian defense forces to fight the NVA themselves. The US troops take on a more effective role of being trainers and supporters to ARVN troops in the field. By 1970, operational activity is handed over to the South Vietnamese and the US starts to phase out troops. After Ho Chi Minh's death, a power struggle between pro-peace and pro-war factions result in an effective governmental collapse. ARVN troops, with US air support, cross the DMZ and take over most of North Vietnam. When Hanoi is captured in 1973, US ground troops are pulled out of Vietnam completely. North Vietnam capitulates and surrenders. The US maintains a large presence in Khe Sanh and Da Nang.

2. The Sino-Vietnamese Border Conflict: In 1979, a border dispute between the Republic of Vietnam and the People's Republic of China escalates into border skirmishes. Soviet leader Brezhnev clamors for war with China. However, with the US supplying arms to the Vietnamese, the Chinese and Vietnamese sign a truce declaring a draw and leaving the borders as they are.

3. Brezhnev's Reconciliation: Without a viable and reliable Soviet ally in SE Asia, Soviet leader Brezhnev reconciles with the PRC and reestablishes good relations in 1980. The two nations agree to support each other in the UN.

4. The Iranian Islamic Revolution of 1979: In 1979, the Shah of Iran is overthrown by Islamists led by Ayatollah Khomeini. Iraq, under the new leadership of Saddam Hussein, uses the revolution to invade Iran. The Soviet Union lends support to the Iranians, while the US stations troops in Saudi Arabia. The US begins to aide Iraq, though Hussein promises to not use chemical weapons and to respect the human rights of the Iranians and Kurds. After a Soviet-Iranian offensive, the US begins to move troops into Iraq, now on the defensive. The US-Iraqi forces defeat the Iranians. During this time, however, several American hostages in Iran are executed for espionage. The Soviets withdraw their support, and the US officially declares war on Iran in early 1980. The Americans quickly launch offensives with the Iraqis. After several months of fierce and costly fighting in the mountains, the US finally pierces into the Iranian heartland and overthrows the Islamic Republic, replacing it with a democratic republic. Through negotiations with the Soviet Union, who now threatens direct invasion, the US agrees to withdraw from Iran in exchange for Soviet aid in keeping the democratic Iran stable. Iraq gains the Khuzestan province.

5. The Korean War: In 1984, the People's Republic of Korea invades the Republic of Korea after skirmishes over various Korean islands and fishing waters. China and the USSR back North Korea, while the US, Japan, and Vietnam support South Korea. However, not wishing to face a potentially costly war like in Vietnam and Iran, the US limits its operations to naval and air missions, with occasional insertions of ground troops as support. Under pressure, the US and Japan sign the Kyoto accords, allotting for the creation of an official Japanese Armed Forces for the first time in nearly 40 years. Japan lands troops in Korea.

6. (Part of Korean War) The UN Crisis of 1985: In early 1985, the United Nations convened to determine its stance on Korea. The UNSC could not pass a Resolution demanding UN intervention in Korea. The UNGA, however, narrowly passes a resolution condemning the North Koreans and their allies, as well as recommending sending aid to South Korea. Angered and upset, the Soviet Union, Communist China, and all of their allies and puppets leave the UN. A UN Charter crisis erupts. Many new African nations withdraw from the UN, preferring to not deal with resolving international affairs while they face internal problems. The UN effectively becomes a NATO puppet organization, and many neutral countries then leave. The UN is dissolved and is seen as a failure, just like the League of Nations. International law is now governed solely by international treaties and the Geneva Conventions.

7. The end of the Korean War: South Korea, much more developed and unified than in 1950, is able to effectively hold of the North Koreans. The Battle of Pyongyang, resulting in a South Korean victory, has China issue another ultimatum that it will commit ground troops if the Koreans advance further. Kim Il-Sung retreats and reestablishes North Korea in the city of Chongjin. North Korea signs a secret agreement with the South Koreans to end the war in 1987. North Korean media is strictly controlled, but North Korea realizes it has to invest in more food producing operations.

8. The Fall of the Berlin Wall: In 1989, the Soviet Union, facing some economic problems, begins to release some of its satellite states. East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Poland are released. The Baltic Union of Socialist Republics splits from the USSR and takes a more moderate, democratic-socialist approach. Poland is the only released puppet able to establish itself. Czechoslovakia erupts into civil war, ending in the split of the Czechs and Slovaks. East Germany almost immediately collapses and is taken over by West Germany.

9. The Commonwealth of Socialist States: In 1990, the Soviet Union partially collapses. It institutes a looser form of Communism and socialism and allows multi-party elections on the local level. Gorbachev retains power and focuses on rebuilding the Soviet Union. He forms the CSS, allowing for greater autonomy in the former SSR's.

10. Collapse of Yugoslavia: The CSS extends its support to the Serbian Yugoslav loyalists and gives limited military support and aid to those fighting in Croatia and Bosnia. War crimes are committed by both sides, however, leading to another proxy war. The Serbians eventually reintegrate the others back into Yugoslavia. This marks a turning point, being the first time in many years that Russia has been able to win a proxy war against the US. The US and Russia develop a cautious respect for each other, and continue further nuclear disarmament. China also consents, agreeing to cease nuclear production.

11. The Iraqi War Crimes: In the early to mid 1990s, Iraq tried to solidify itself into a single, unitary state with one ethnicity and one religion. The Hussein regime began to gas the Kurdish people, partially in revenge for their participation with Iran in the Persian Gulf War (1979). The CSS and US jointly issue an ultimatum requiring the cessation of the gas attacks and the disarmament of Iraq's chemical weapons, as well as indemnities to the Kurdish people. Iraq agrees to cease the attacks, but disarmament and reparation is slow and unreliable. The US once again stations troops in Saudi Arabia.

12. The Kuwait-Iraq War: Saddam, continuing his mission to assert hegemony over much of the Arab world, invades Kuwait to further increase his grip on the Persian Gulf. Kuwait is over driven and unofficially annexed by Iraq. US President Bill Clinton issues an ultimatum to Iraq in mid 1996 to withdraw from Kuwait or face military action. The deadline set expires, and US troops in Saudi Arabia, in a very successful offensive, not only push Iraqis out of Kuwait, but also march into Baghdad, overthrowing Hussein, who is brought up in Kuwait for charges of war crimes. Iraq is split into two states: the Republic of Iraq, and the Republic of Kurdistan.

13. 9/11 and the Rise of Al Qaeda: In 1998, the US embassy in Erbil is bombed. Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, who rose to prominence during the Persian Gulf War and Kuwait-Iraq War funding Islamic paramilitary groups, claims responsibility. US presence in Iraq is increased against the Iraqi government's wishes. On September 11, 2001, Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists hijacked and flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania. The US, backed by widespread international support, begins to launch ground operations against Al-Qaeda after Bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks conducted as an act of revenge for stationing US troops in Muslim holy sites. The nations of Iran and Afghanistan, who have funded Al-Qaeda and have, in recent years, committed various crimes against minority religions, are invaded by the US with support from Iraq and Kurdistan. The conflict lasts for over a decade, with US troops being pulled out of Iran in 2010 and Afghanistan in 2013. Bin Laden is killed in May of 2011, and Al-Qaeda beings to dwindle in power and numbers.

14. The IS Crisis: During the Syrian Civil War, the Al-Qaeda affiliated group, the Islamic State, began considerable ground operations in SE Syria, taking over much territory. IS officially invaded Kurdistan months later, and the Syrians, Kurds, and Iraqis are now entangled in a battle to keep IS from running over the country. IS has now spilled over into Iraq, and has captured considerable land. After the massacres against the Yazidi people, the US and CSS launch a mutual bombing campaign on IS controlled areas.

Again, it's WIP. May add or subtract details.

Did an Arab Spring analogue happen in this TL?

I think I'd leave that up to the applicants.

[Skaldia]

So idea:

A modern world RP that resolves what most encounter as a severe problem.

WIP Alt-Hist.

1. South Vietnam wins the Vietnam war: The US focused on counterguerilla tactics and protecting South Vietnamese villagers instead of pursuing a harsh, brute force strategy. The US government actively addresses some grievances of the South Vietnamese people and work to reduce corruption and brutality in the South Vietnamese government. After the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong are largely depleted and are eliminated as a significant factor in the war. NVA regulars encounter frequent problems from the pro-US villagers. Many give intelligence to the US troops or form civilian defense forces to fight the NVA themselves. The US troops take on a more effective role of being trainers and supporters to ARVN troops in the field. By 1970, operational activity is handed over to the South Vietnamese and the US starts to phase out troops. After Ho Chi Minh's death, a power struggle between pro-peace and pro-war factions result in an effective governmental collapse. ARVN troops, with US air support, cross the DMZ and take over most of North Vietnam. When Hanoi is captured in 1973, US ground troops are pulled out of Vietnam completely. North Vietnam capitulates and surrenders. The US maintains a large presence in Khe Sanh and Da Nang.

2. The Sino-Vietnamese Border Conflict: In 1979, a border dispute between the Republic of Vietnam and the People's Republic of China escalates into border skirmishes. Soviet leader Brezhnev clamors for war with China. However, with the US supplying arms to the Vietnamese, the Chinese and Vietnamese sign a truce declaring a draw and leaving the borders as they are.

3. Brezhnev's Reconciliation: Without a viable and reliable Soviet ally in SE Asia, Soviet leader Brezhnev reconciles with the PRC and reestablishes good relations in 1980. The two nations agree to support each other in the UN.

4. The Iranian Islamic Revolution of 1979: In 1979, the Shah of Iran is overthrown by Islamists led by Ayatollah Khomeini. Iraq, under the new leadership of Saddam Hussein, uses the revolution to invade Iran. The Soviet Union lends support to the Iranians, while the US stations troops in Saudi Arabia. The US begins to aide Iraq, though Hussein promises to not use chemical weapons and to respect the human rights of the Iranians and Kurds. After a Soviet-Iranian offensive, the US begins to move troops into Iraq, now on the defensive. The US-Iraqi forces defeat the Iranians. During this time, however, several American hostages in Iran are executed for espionage. The Soviets withdraw their support, and the US officially declares war on Iran in early 1980. The Americans quickly launch offensives with the Iraqis. After several months of fierce and costly fighting in the mountains, the US finally pierces into the Iranian heartland and overthrows the Islamic Republic, replacing it with a democratic republic. Through negotiations with the Soviet Union, who now threatens direct invasion, the US agrees to withdraw from Iran in exchange for Soviet aid in keeping the democratic Iran stable. Iraq gains the Khuzestan province.

5. The Korean War: In 1984, the People's Republic of Korea invades the Republic of Korea after skirmishes over various Korean islands and fishing waters. China and the USSR back North Korea, while the US, Japan, and Vietnam support South Korea. However, not wishing to face a potentially costly war like in Vietnam and Iran, the US limits its operations to naval and air missions, with occasional insertions of ground troops as support. Under pressure, the US and Japan sign the Kyoto accords, allotting for the creation of an official Japanese Armed Forces for the first time in nearly 40 years. Japan lands troops in Korea.

6. (Part of Korean War) The UN Crisis of 1985: In early 1985, the United Nations convened to determine its stance on Korea. The UNSC could not pass a Resolution demanding UN intervention in Korea. The UNGA, however, narrowly passes a resolution condemning the North Koreans and their allies, as well as recommending sending aid to South Korea. Angered and upset, the Soviet Union, Communist China, and all of their allies and puppets leave the UN. A UN Charter crisis erupts. Many new African nations withdraw from the UN, preferring to not deal with resolving international affairs while they face internal problems. The UN effectively becomes a NATO puppet organization, and many neutral countries then leave. The UN is dissolved and is seen as a failure, just like the League of Nations. International law is now governed solely by international treaties and the Geneva Conventions.

7. The end of the Korean War: South Korea, much more developed and unified than in 1950, is able to effectively hold of the North Koreans. The Battle of Pyongyang, resulting in a South Korean victory, has China issue another ultimatum that it will commit ground troops if the Koreans advance further. Kim Il-Sung retreats and reestablishes North Korea in the city of Chongjin. North Korea signs a secret agreement with the South Koreans to end the war in 1987. North Korean media is strictly controlled, but North Korea realizes it has to invest in more food producing operations.

8. The Fall of the Berlin Wall: In 1989, the Soviet Union, facing some economic problems, begins to release some of its satellite states. East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Poland are released. The Baltic Union of Socialist Republics splits from the USSR and takes a more moderate, democratic-socialist approach. Poland is the only released puppet able to establish itself. Czechoslovakia erupts into civil war, ending in the split of the Czechs and Slovaks. East Germany almost immediately collapses and is taken over by West Germany.

9. The Commonwealth of Socialist States: In 1990, the Soviet Union partially collapses. It institutes a looser form of Communism and socialism and allows multi-party elections on the local level. Gorbachev retains power and focuses on rebuilding the Soviet Union. He forms the CSS, allowing for greater autonomy in the former SSR's.

10. Collapse of Yugoslavia: The CSS extends its support to the Serbian Yugoslav loyalists and gives limited military support and aid to those fighting in Croatia and Bosnia. War crimes are committed by both sides, however, leading to another proxy war. The Serbians eventually reintegrate the others back into Yugoslavia. This marks a turning point, being the first time in many years that Russia has been able to win a proxy war against the US. The US and Russia develop a cautious respect for each other, and continue further nuclear disarmament. China also consents, agreeing to cease nuclear production.

11. The Iraqi War Crimes: In the early to mid 1990s, Iraq tried to solidify itself into a single, unitary state with one ethnicity and one religion. The Hussein regime began to gas the Kurdish people, partially in revenge for their participation with Iran in the Persian Gulf War (1979). The CSS and US jointly issue an ultimatum requiring the cessation of the gas attacks and the disarmament of Iraq's chemical weapons, as well as indemnities to the Kurdish people. Iraq agrees to cease the attacks, but disarmament and reparation is slow and unreliable. The US once again stations troops in Saudi Arabia.

12. The Kuwait-Iraq War: Saddam, continuing his mission to assert hegemony over much of the Arab world, invades Kuwait to further increase his grip on the Persian Gulf. Kuwait is over driven and unofficially annexed by Iraq. US President Bill Clinton issues an ultimatum to Iraq in mid 1996 to withdraw from Kuwait or face military action. The deadline set expires, and US troops in Saudi Arabia, in a very successful offensive, not only push Iraqis out of Kuwait, but also march into Baghdad, overthrowing Hussein, who is brought up in Kuwait for charges of war crimes. Iraq is split into two states: the Republic of Iraq, and the Republic of Kurdistan.

13. 9/11 and the Rise of Al Qaeda: In 1998, the US embassy in Erbil is bombed. Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, who rose to prominence during the Persian Gulf War and Kuwait-Iraq War funding Islamic paramilitary groups, claims responsibility. US presence in Iraq is increased against the Iraqi government's wishes. On September 11, 2001, Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists hijacked and flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania. The US, backed by widespread international support, begins to launch ground operations against Al-Qaeda after Bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks conducted as an act of revenge for stationing US troops in Muslim holy sites. The nations of Iran and Afghanistan, who have funded Al-Qaeda and have, in recent years, committed various crimes against minority religions, are invaded by the US with support from Iraq and Kurdistan. The conflict lasts for over a decade, with US troops being pulled out of Iran in 2010 and Afghanistan in 2013. Bin Laden is killed in May of 2011, and Al-Qaeda beings to dwindle in power and numbers.

14. The IS Crisis: During the Syrian Civil War, the Al-Qaeda affiliated group, the Islamic State, began considerable ground operations in SE Syria, taking over much territory. IS officially invaded Kurdistan months later, and the Syrians, Kurds, and Iraqis are now entangled in a battle to keep IS from running over the country. IS has now spilled over into Iraq, and has captured considerable land. After the massacres against the Yazidi people, the US and CSS launch a mutual bombing campaign on IS controlled areas.

Again, it's WIP. May add or subtract details.

Interesting. What would be the premise?

[Kryskov]

So idea:

A modern world RP that resolves what most encounter as a severe problem.

WIP Alt-Hist.

1. South Vietnam wins the Vietnam war: The US focused on counterguerilla tactics and protecting South Vietnamese villagers instead of pursuing a harsh, brute force strategy. The US government actively addresses some grievances of the South Vietnamese people and work to reduce corruption and brutality in the South Vietnamese government. After the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong are largely depleted and are eliminated as a significant factor in the war. NVA regulars encounter frequent problems from the pro-US villagers. Many give intelligence to the US troops or form civilian defense forces to fight the NVA themselves. The US troops take on a more effective role of being trainers and supporters to ARVN troops in the field. By 1970, operational activity is handed over to the South Vietnamese and the US starts to phase out troops. After Ho Chi Minh's death, a power struggle between pro-peace and pro-war factions result in an effective governmental collapse. ARVN troops, with US air support, cross the DMZ and take over most of North Vietnam. When Hanoi is captured in 1973, US ground troops are pulled out of Vietnam completely. North Vietnam capitulates and surrenders. The US maintains a large presence in Khe Sanh and Da Nang.

2. The Sino-Vietnamese Border Conflict: In 1979, a border dispute between the Republic of Vietnam and the People's Republic of China escalates into border skirmishes. Soviet leader Brezhnev clamors for war with China. However, with the US supplying arms to the Vietnamese, the Chinese and Vietnamese sign a truce declaring a draw and leaving the borders as they are.

3. Brezhnev's Reconciliation: Without a viable and reliable Soviet ally in SE Asia, Soviet leader Brezhnev reconciles with the PRC and reestablishes good relations in 1980. The two nations agree to support each other in the UN.

4. The Iranian Islamic Revolution of 1979: In 1979, the Shah of Iran is overthrown by Islamists led by Ayatollah Khomeini. Iraq, under the new leadership of Saddam Hussein, uses the revolution to invade Iran. The Soviet Union lends support to the Iranians, while the US stations troops in Saudi Arabia. The US begins to aide Iraq, though Hussein promises to not use chemical weapons and to respect the human rights of the Iranians and Kurds. After a Soviet-Iranian offensive, the US begins to move troops into Iraq, now on the defensive. The US-Iraqi forces defeat the Iranians. During this time, however, several American hostages in Iran are executed for espionage. The Soviets withdraw their support, and the US officially declares war on Iran in early 1980. The Americans quickly launch offensives with the Iraqis. After several months of fierce and costly fighting in the mountains, the US finally pierces into the Iranian heartland and overthrows the Islamic Republic, replacing it with a democratic republic. Through negotiations with the Soviet Union, who now threatens direct invasion, the US agrees to withdraw from Iran in exchange for Soviet aid in keeping the democratic Iran stable. Iraq gains the Khuzestan province.

5. The Korean War: In 1984, the People's Republic of Korea invades the Republic of Korea after skirmishes over various Korean islands and fishing waters. China and the USSR back North Korea, while the US, Japan, and Vietnam support South Korea. However, not wishing to face a potentially costly war like in Vietnam and Iran, the US limits its operations to naval and air missions, with occasional insertions of ground troops as support. Under pressure, the US and Japan sign the Kyoto accords, allotting for the creation of an official Japanese Armed Forces for the first time in nearly 40 years. Japan lands troops in Korea.

6. (Part of Korean War) The UN Crisis of 1985: In early 1985, the United Nations convened to determine its stance on Korea. The UNSC could not pass a Resolution demanding UN intervention in Korea. The UNGA, however, narrowly passes a resolution condemning the North Koreans and their allies, as well as recommending sending aid to South Korea. Angered and upset, the Soviet Union, Communist China, and all of their allies and puppets leave the UN. A UN Charter crisis erupts. Many new African nations withdraw from the UN, preferring to not deal with resolving international affairs while they face internal problems. The UN effectively becomes a NATO puppet organization, and many neutral countries then leave. The UN is dissolved and is seen as a failure, just like the League of Nations. International law is now governed solely by international treaties and the Geneva Conventions.

7. The end of the Korean War: South Korea, much more developed and unified than in 1950, is able to effectively hold of the North Koreans. The Battle of Pyongyang, resulting in a South Korean victory, has China issue another ultimatum that it will commit ground troops if the Koreans advance further. Kim Il-Sung retreats and reestablishes North Korea in the city of Chongjin. North Korea signs a secret agreement with the South Koreans to end the war in 1987. North Korean media is strictly controlled, but North Korea realizes it has to invest in more food producing operations.

8. The Fall of the Berlin Wall: In 1989, the Soviet Union, facing some economic problems, begins to release some of its satellite states. East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Poland are released. The Baltic Union of Socialist Republics splits from the USSR and takes a more moderate, democratic-socialist approach. Poland is the only released puppet able to establish itself. Czechoslovakia erupts into civil war, ending in the split of the Czechs and Slovaks. East Germany almost immediately collapses and is taken over by West Germany.

9. The Commonwealth of Socialist States: In 1990, the Soviet Union partially collapses. It institutes a looser form of Communism and socialism and allows multi-party elections on the local level. Gorbachev retains power and focuses on rebuilding the Soviet Union. He forms the CSS, allowing for greater autonomy in the former SSR's.

10. Collapse of Yugoslavia: The CSS extends its support to the Serbian Yugoslav loyalists and gives limited military support and aid to those fighting in Croatia and Bosnia. War crimes are committed by both sides, however, leading to another proxy war. The Serbians eventually reintegrate the others back into Yugoslavia. This marks a turning point, being the first time in many years that Russia has been able to win a proxy war against the US. The US and Russia develop a cautious respect for each other, and continue further nuclear disarmament. China also consents, agreeing to cease nuclear production.

11. The Iraqi War Crimes: In the early to mid 1990s, Iraq tried to solidify itself into a single, unitary state with one ethnicity and one religion. The Hussein regime began to gas the Kurdish people, partially in revenge for their participation with Iran in the Persian Gulf War (1979). The CSS and US jointly issue an ultimatum requiring the cessation of the gas attacks and the disarmament of Iraq's chemical weapons, as well as indemnities to the Kurdish people. Iraq agrees to cease the attacks, but disarmament and reparation is slow and unreliable. The US once again stations troops in Saudi Arabia.

12. The Kuwait-Iraq War: Saddam, continuing his mission to assert hegemony over much of the Arab world, invades Kuwait to further increase his grip on the Persian Gulf. Kuwait is over driven and unofficially annexed by Iraq. US President Bill Clinton issues an ultimatum to Iraq in mid 1996 to withdraw from Kuwait or face military action. The deadline set expires, and US troops in Saudi Arabia, in a very successful offensive, not only push Iraqis out of Kuwait, but also march into Baghdad, overthrowing Hussein, who is brought up in Kuwait for charges of war crimes. Iraq is split into two states: the Republic of Iraq, and the Republic of Kurdistan.

13. 9/11 and the Rise of Al Qaeda: In 1998, the US embassy in Erbil is bombed. Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, who rose to prominence during the Persian Gulf War and Kuwait-Iraq War funding Islamic paramilitary groups, claims responsibility. US presence in Iraq is increased against the Iraqi government's wishes. On September 11, 2001, Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists hijacked and flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania. The US, backed by widespread international support, begins to launch ground operations against Al-Qaeda after Bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks conducted as an act of revenge for stationing US troops in Muslim holy sites. The nations of Iran and Afghanistan, who have funded Al-Qaeda and have, in recent years, committed various crimes against minority religions, are invaded by the US with support from Iraq and Kurdistan. The conflict lasts for over a decade, with US troops being pulled out of Iran in 2010 and Afghanistan in 2013. Bin Laden is killed in May of 2011, and Al-Qaeda beings to dwindle in power and numbers.

14. The IS Crisis: During the Syrian Civil War, the Al-Qaeda affiliated group, the Islamic State, began considerable ground operations in SE Syria, taking over much territory. IS officially invaded Kurdistan months later, and the Syrians, Kurds, and Iraqis are now entangled in a battle to keep IS from running over the country. IS has now spilled over into Iraq, and has captured considerable land. After the massacres against the Yazidi people, the US and CSS launch a mutual bombing campaign on IS controlled areas.

Again, it's WIP. May add or subtract details.

Interesting. What would be the premise?

What do you mean?

[Bujahla]

So idea:

A modern world RP that resolves what most encounter as a severe problem.

WIP Alt-Hist.

1. South Vietnam wins the Vietnam war: The US focused on counterguerilla tactics and protecting South Vietnamese villagers instead of pursuing a harsh, brute force strategy. The US government actively addresses some grievances of the South Vietnamese people and work to reduce corruption and brutality in the South Vietnamese government. After the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong are largely depleted and are eliminated as a significant factor in the war. NVA regulars encounter frequent problems from the pro-US villagers. Many give intelligence to the US troops or form civilian defense forces to fight the NVA themselves. The US troops take on a more effective role of being trainers and supporters to ARVN troops in the field. By 1970, operational activity is handed over to the South Vietnamese and the US starts to phase out troops. After Ho Chi Minh's death, a power struggle between pro-peace and pro-war factions result in an effective governmental collapse. ARVN troops, with US air support, cross the DMZ and take over most of North Vietnam. When Hanoi is captured in 1973, US ground troops are pulled out of Vietnam completely. North Vietnam capitulates and surrenders. The US maintains a large presence in Khe Sanh and Da Nang.

2. The Sino-Vietnamese Border Conflict: In 1979, a border dispute between the Republic of Vietnam and the People's Republic of China escalates into border skirmishes. Soviet leader Brezhnev clamors for war with China. However, with the US supplying arms to the Vietnamese, the Chinese and Vietnamese sign a truce declaring a draw and leaving the borders as they are.

3. Brezhnev's Reconciliation: Without a viable and reliable Soviet ally in SE Asia, Soviet leader Brezhnev reconciles with the PRC and reestablishes good relations in 1980. The two nations agree to support each other in the UN.

4. The Iranian Islamic Revolution of 1979: In 1979, the Shah of Iran is overthrown by Islamists led by Ayatollah Khomeini. Iraq, under the new leadership of Saddam Hussein, uses the revolution to invade Iran. The Soviet Union lends support to the Iranians, while the US stations troops in Saudi Arabia. The US begins to aide Iraq, though Hussein promises to not use chemical weapons and to respect the human rights of the Iranians and Kurds. After a Soviet-Iranian offensive, the US begins to move troops into Iraq, now on the defensive. The US-Iraqi forces defeat the Iranians. During this time, however, several American hostages in Iran are executed for espionage. The Soviets withdraw their support, and the US officially declares war on Iran in early 1980. The Americans quickly launch offensives with the Iraqis. After several months of fierce and costly fighting in the mountains, the US finally pierces into the Iranian heartland and overthrows the Islamic Republic, replacing it with a democratic republic. Through negotiations with the Soviet Union, who now threatens direct invasion, the US agrees to withdraw from Iran in exchange for Soviet aid in keeping the democratic Iran stable. Iraq gains the Khuzestan province.

5. The Korean War: In 1984, the People's Republic of Korea invades the Republic of Korea after skirmishes over various Korean islands and fishing waters. China and the USSR back North Korea, while the US, Japan, and Vietnam support South Korea. However, not wishing to face a potentially costly war like in Vietnam and Iran, the US limits its operations to naval and air missions, with occasional insertions of ground troops as support. Under pressure, the US and Japan sign the Kyoto accords, allotting for the creation of an official Japanese Armed Forces for the first time in nearly 40 years. Japan lands troops in Korea.

6. (Part of Korean War) The UN Crisis of 1985: In early 1985, the United Nations convened to determine its stance on Korea. The UNSC could not pass a Resolution demanding UN intervention in Korea. The UNGA, however, narrowly passes a resolution condemning the North Koreans and their allies, as well as recommending sending aid to South Korea. Angered and upset, the Soviet Union, Communist China, and all of their allies and puppets leave the UN. A UN Charter crisis erupts. Many new African nations withdraw from the UN, preferring to not deal with resolving international affairs while they face internal problems. The UN effectively becomes a NATO puppet organization, and many neutral countries then leave. The UN is dissolved and is seen as a failure, just like the League of Nations. International law is now governed solely by international treaties and the Geneva Conventions.

7. The end of the Korean War: South Korea, much more developed and unified than in 1950, is able to effectively hold of the North Koreans. The Battle of Pyongyang, resulting in a South Korean victory, has China issue another ultimatum that it will commit ground troops if the Koreans advance further. Kim Il-Sung retreats and reestablishes North Korea in the city of Chongjin. North Korea signs a secret agreement with the South Koreans to end the war in 1987. North Korean media is strictly controlled, but North Korea realizes it has to invest in more food producing operations.

8. The Fall of the Berlin Wall: In 1989, the Soviet Union, facing some economic problems, begins to release some of its satellite states. East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Poland are released. The Baltic Union of Socialist Republics splits from the USSR and takes a more moderate, democratic-socialist approach. Poland is the only released puppet able to establish itself. Czechoslovakia erupts into civil war, ending in the split of the Czechs and Slovaks. East Germany almost immediately collapses and is taken over by West Germany.

9. The Commonwealth of Socialist States: In 1990, the Soviet Union partially collapses. It institutes a looser form of Communism and socialism and allows multi-party elections on the local level. Gorbachev retains power and focuses on rebuilding the Soviet Union. He forms the CSS, allowing for greater autonomy in the former SSR's.

10. Collapse of Yugoslavia: The CSS extends its support to the Serbian Yugoslav loyalists and gives limited military support and aid to those fighting in Croatia and Bosnia. War crimes are committed by both sides, however, leading to another proxy war. The Serbians eventually reintegrate the others back into Yugoslavia. This marks a turning point, being the first time in many years that Russia has been able to win a proxy war against the US. The US and Russia develop a cautious respect for each other, and continue further nuclear disarmament. China also consents, agreeing to cease nuclear production.

11. The Iraqi War Crimes: In the early to mid 1990s, Iraq tried to solidify itself into a single, unitary state with one ethnicity and one religion. The Hussein regime began to gas the Kurdish people, partially in revenge for their participation with Iran in the Persian Gulf War (1979). The CSS and US jointly issue an ultimatum requiring the cessation of the gas attacks and the disarmament of Iraq's chemical weapons, as well as indemnities to the Kurdish people. Iraq agrees to cease the attacks, but disarmament and reparation is slow and unreliable. The US once again stations troops in Saudi Arabia.

12. The Kuwait-Iraq War: Saddam, continuing his mission to assert hegemony over much of the Arab world, invades Kuwait to further increase his grip on the Persian Gulf. Kuwait is over driven and unofficially annexed by Iraq. US President Bill Clinton issues an ultimatum to Iraq in mid 1996 to withdraw from Kuwait or face military action. The deadline set expires, and US troops in Saudi Arabia, in a very successful offensive, not only push Iraqis out of Kuwait, but also march into Baghdad, overthrowing Hussein, who is brought up in Kuwait for charges of war crimes. Iraq is split into two states: the Republic of Iraq, and the Republic of Kurdistan.

13. 9/11 and the Rise of Al Qaeda: In 1998, the US embassy in Erbil is bombed. Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, who rose to prominence during the Persian Gulf War and Kuwait-Iraq War funding Islamic paramilitary groups, claims responsibility. US presence in Iraq is increased against the Iraqi government's wishes. On September 11, 2001, Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists hijacked and flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania. The US, backed by widespread international support, begins to launch ground operations against Al-Qaeda after Bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks conducted as an act of revenge for stationing US troops in Muslim holy sites. The nations of Iran and Afghanistan, who have funded Al-Qaeda and have, in recent years, committed various crimes against minority religions, are invaded by the US with support from Iraq and Kurdistan. The conflict lasts for over a decade, with US troops being pulled out of Iran in 2010 and Afghanistan in 2013. Bin Laden is killed in May of 2011, and Al-Qaeda beings to dwindle in power and numbers.

14. The IS Crisis: During the Syrian Civil War, the Al-Qaeda affiliated group, the Islamic State, began considerable ground operations in SE Syria, taking over much territory. IS officially invaded Kurdistan months later, and the Syrians, Kurds, and Iraqis are now entangled in a battle to keep IS from running over the country. IS has now spilled over into Iraq, and has captured considerable land. After the massacres against the Yazidi people, the US and CSS launch a mutual bombing campaign on IS controlled areas.

Again, it's WIP. May add or subtract details.

Having the Syrian Civil War implies that the Arab Spring has already happened, correct?

[Rephesus]

I don't think an Al-Queda attack in Erbil would be realistic, Erbil is one of the most heavily defensible and counter-terrorist cities in the middle east, if anything an attack on Kurdistan would happen in Kirkuk.

[Kryskov]

So idea:

A modern world RP that resolves what most encounter as a severe problem.

WIP Alt-Hist.

1. South Vietnam wins the Vietnam war: The US focused on counterguerilla tactics and protecting South Vietnamese villagers instead of pursuing a harsh, brute force strategy. The US government actively addresses some grievances of the South Vietnamese people and work to reduce corruption and brutality in the South Vietnamese government. After the 1968 Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong are largely depleted and are eliminated as a significant factor in the war. NVA regulars encounter frequent problems from the pro-US villagers. Many give intelligence to the US troops or form civilian defense forces to fight the NVA themselves. The US troops take on a more effective role of being trainers and supporters to ARVN troops in the field. By 1970, operational activity is handed over to the South Vietnamese and the US starts to phase out troops. After Ho Chi Minh's death, a power struggle between pro-peace and pro-war factions result in an effective governmental collapse. ARVN troops, with US air support, cross the DMZ and take over most of North Vietnam. When Hanoi is captured in 1973, US ground troops are pulled out of Vietnam completely. North Vietnam capitulates and surrenders. The US maintains a large presence in Khe Sanh and Da Nang.

2. The Sino-Vietnamese Border Conflict: In 1979, a border dispute between the Republic of Vietnam and the People's Republic of China escalates into border skirmishes. Soviet leader Brezhnev clamors for war with China. However, with the US supplying arms to the Vietnamese, the Chinese and Vietnamese sign a truce declaring a draw and leaving the borders as they are.

3. Brezhnev's Reconciliation: Without a viable and reliable Soviet ally in SE Asia, Soviet leader Brezhnev reconciles with the PRC and reestablishes good relations in 1980. The two nations agree to support each other in the UN.

4. The Iranian Islamic Revolution of 1979: In 1979, the Shah of Iran is overthrown by Islamists led by Ayatollah Khomeini. Iraq, under the new leadership of Saddam Hussein, uses the revolution to invade Iran. The Soviet Union lends support to the Iranians, while the US stations troops in Saudi Arabia. The US begins to aide Iraq, though Hussein promises to not use chemical weapons and to respect the human rights of the Iranians and Kurds. After a Soviet-Iranian offensive, the US begins to move troops into Iraq, now on the defensive. The US-Iraqi forces defeat the Iranians. During this time, however, several American hostages in Iran are executed for espionage. The Soviets withdraw their support, and the US officially declares war on Iran in early 1980. The Americans quickly launch offensives with the Iraqis. After several months of fierce and costly fighting in the mountains, the US finally pierces into the Iranian heartland and overthrows the Islamic Republic, replacing it with a democratic republic. Through negotiations with the Soviet Union, who now threatens direct invasion, the US agrees to withdraw from Iran in exchange for Soviet aid in keeping the democratic Iran stable. Iraq gains the Khuzestan province.

5. The Korean War: In 1984, the People's Republic of Korea invades the Republic of Korea after skirmishes over various Korean islands and fishing waters. China and the USSR back North Korea, while the US, Japan, and Vietnam support South Korea. However, not wishing to face a potentially costly war like in Vietnam and Iran, the US limits its operations to naval and air missions, with occasional insertions of ground troops as support. Under pressure, the US and Japan sign the Kyoto accords, allotting for the creation of an official Japanese Armed Forces for the first time in nearly 40 years. Japan lands troops in Korea.

6. (Part of Korean War) The UN Crisis of 1985: In early 1985, the United Nations convened to determine its stance on Korea. The UNSC could not pass a Resolution demanding UN intervention in Korea. The UNGA, however, narrowly passes a resolution condemning the North Koreans and their allies, as well as recommending sending aid to South Korea. Angered and upset, the Soviet Union, Communist China, and all of their allies and puppets leave the UN. A UN Charter crisis erupts. Many new African nations withdraw from the UN, preferring to not deal with resolving international affairs while they face internal problems. The UN effectively becomes a NATO puppet organization, and many neutral countries then leave. The UN is dissolved and is seen as a failure, just like the League of Nations. International law is now governed solely by international treaties and the Geneva Conventions.

7. The end of the Korean War: South Korea, much more developed and unified than in 1950, is able to effectively hold of the North Koreans. The Battle of Pyongyang, resulting in a South Korean victory, has China issue another ultimatum that it will commit ground troops if the Koreans advance further. Kim Il-Sung retreats and reestablishes North Korea in the city of Chongjin. North Korea signs a secret agreement with the South Koreans to end the war in 1987. North Korean media is strictly controlled, but North Korea realizes it has to invest in more food producing operations.

8. The Fall of the Berlin Wall: In 1989, the Soviet Union, facing some economic problems, begins to release some of its satellite states. East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Poland are released. The Baltic Union of Socialist Republics splits from the USSR and takes a more moderate, democratic-socialist approach. Poland is the only released puppet able to establish itself. Czechoslovakia erupts into civil war, ending in the split of the Czechs and Slovaks. East Germany almost immediately collapses and is taken over by West Germany.

9. The Commonwealth of Socialist States: In 1990, the Soviet Union partially collapses. It institutes a looser form of Communism and socialism and allows multi-party elections on the local level. Gorbachev retains power and focuses on rebuilding the Soviet Union. He forms the CSS, allowing for greater autonomy in the former SSR's.

10. Collapse of Yugoslavia: The CSS extends its support to the Serbian Yugoslav loyalists and gives limited military support and aid to those fighting in Croatia and Bosnia. War crimes are committed by both sides, however, leading to another proxy war. The Serbians eventually reintegrate the others back into Yugoslavia. This marks a turning point, being the first time in many years that Russia has been able to win a proxy war against the US. The US and Russia develop a cautious respect for each other, and continue further nuclear disarmament. China also consents, agreeing to cease nuclear production.

11. The Iraqi War Crimes: In the early to mid 1990s, Iraq tried to solidify itself into a single, unitary state with one ethnicity and one religion. The Hussein regime began to gas the Kurdish people, partially in revenge for their participation with Iran in the Persian Gulf War (1979). The CSS and US jointly issue an ultimatum requiring the cessation of the gas attacks and the disarmament of Iraq's chemical weapons, as well as indemnities to the Kurdish people. Iraq agrees to cease the attacks, but disarmament and reparation is slow and unreliable. The US once again stations troops in Saudi Arabia.

12. The Kuwait-Iraq War: Saddam, continuing his mission to assert hegemony over much of the Arab world, invades Kuwait to further increase his grip on the Persian Gulf. Kuwait is over driven and unofficially annexed by Iraq. US President Bill Clinton issues an ultimatum to Iraq in mid 1996 to withdraw from Kuwait or face military action. The deadline set expires, and US troops in Saudi Arabia, in a very successful offensive, not only push Iraqis out of Kuwait, but also march into Baghdad, overthrowing Hussein, who is brought up in Kuwait for charges of war crimes. Iraq is split into two states: the Republic of Iraq, and the Republic of Kurdistan.

13. 9/11 and the Rise of Al Qaeda: In 1998, the US embassy in Erbil is bombed. Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, who rose to prominence during the Persian Gulf War and Kuwait-Iraq War funding Islamic paramilitary groups, claims responsibility. US presence in Iraq is increased against the Iraqi government's wishes. On September 11, 2001, Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists hijacked and flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania. The US, backed by widespread international support, begins to launch ground operations against Al-Qaeda after Bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks conducted as an act of revenge for stationing US troops in Muslim holy sites. The nations of Iran and Afghanistan, who have funded Al-Qaeda and have, in recent years, committed various crimes against minority religions, are invaded by the US with support from Iraq and Kurdistan. The conflict lasts for over a decade, with US troops being pulled out of Iran in 2010 and Afghanistan in 2013. Bin Laden is killed in May of 2011, and Al-Qaeda beings to dwindle in power and numbers.

14. The IS Crisis: During the Syrian Civil War, the Al-Qaeda affiliated group, the Islamic State, began considerable ground operations in SE Syria, taking over much territory. IS officially invaded Kurdistan months later, and the Syrians, Kurds, and Iraqis are now entangled in a battle to keep IS from running over the country. IS has now spilled over into Iraq, and has captured considerable land. After the massacres against the Yazidi people, the US and CSS launch a mutual bombing campaign on IS controlled areas.

Again, it's WIP. May add or subtract details.

Having the Syrian Civil War implies that the Arab Spring has already happened, correct?

Yes, but where it happened and the magnitude may be different.

I don't think an Al-Queda attack in Erbil would be realistic, Erbil is one of the most heavily defensible and counter-terrorist cities in the middle east, if anything an attack on Kurdistan would happen in Kirkuk.

It was an attack launched outside of Erbil, and this was in the kinda pre-terrorist days.

[Bujahla]

Having the Syrian Civil War implies that the Arab Spring has already happened, correct?

Yes, but where it happened and the magnitude may be different.

I don't think an Al-Queda attack in Erbil would be realistic, Erbil is one of the most heavily defensible and counter-terrorist cities in the middle east, if anything an attack on Kurdistan would happen in Kirkuk.

It was an attack launched outside of Erbil, and this was in the kinda pre-terrorist days.

Well it needs to be defined then because that has major implications for a lot of nations.

[Kryskov]

Well it needs to be defined then because that has major implications for a lot of nations.

Ok, then, define it.