The Hot War(OOC/AltHist/Semi-Open)

[Epraria]

Why does nobody want to support the democratic nation but everyone is willing to support the totalitarian empire?

Actually, wait.

Nepal, what's the structure of your government? Realistically, not propaganda.

Also, Epraria, has your nation ever done anything Imperialistic?

I mean, the NAU might support India because, despite both of you being terrible foreigners, a docile foreigner is better than an Imperialistic one.

India has not done anything imperialistically. All India has done has been to protect India.

[Glasgia]

Nepal has oil. End of.

The NAU also has oil, and will have more, very shortly.

Or, you fight with Nepal and then you have oil, gold and a friendly ally with a big military.

[Ublia]

Nation Name: Heavenly Empire of China
National Flag:

Claims: China (save Manchuria) and Mongolia
Form of Government: Constitutional Monarchy
World (1st, 2nd, 3rd): 1st
Head of State: Empress Tianzi
Capital City: Beijing (Forbidden City)
Population: 900,000,000
Military Size: 40,000,000 (the amount should be no more than 5% in peacetime at most)
Military Type: A largely professional military, the Chinese military is a massive entity, made up of the Army, Navy and Air Force, and is armed with mass produced technologies designed by China itself or imported from its allies. Furthermore the army is headed by Marshal Hu Cong a member of the triumvirate, though some factions such as the Vermillion Army who defend the Forbidden City, are under the control of the eunuchs.
Naval Strength: China’s navy effectively saw a grand revival in the Guangxu era, as recognizing the need to defend China’s waters, the great reformist emperor heavily founded its modernization. And to this day the well maintained force chief objective is the defense of Chinese waters and commercial interests.
Economic Strength: With the state actively opposing communism, it is no wonder corporatism has flourished under the Tianzi administration, though key sectors are in imperial hands, though due to dwindling resources the Chinese economy though still a dragon is as some would say a glass one. (briefly describe how wealthy your nation is)
Land Routes: Again the Guangxu Era saw vast improvements in China’s infrastructure, however the Second World War and Civil War did take a toll. Still China is on the path to rebuilding and thus infrastructure is at a healthy level.
Sea Routes China is well situated as a Maritime power. With its western coastline touching the Pacific and open to trade with the west through the great port cities of Hong Kong, Shanghai, and so forth.
History: In 1875 AD the young underage Qing Emperor, Guangxu ascended the imperial throne. Born at what seemed to be the twilight of the Qing and their vast Asian nation, he watched helplessly as his realm suffered thanks to the machinations of his regent the all-powerful and fiercely anti-reformist and ultraconservative Dowager Empress Cixi. For decades he was forced to watch as she squandered reform to ensure her own political survival and continued control over the throne all the while China bled as the European powers slowly devoured China and her people starved. And at first Guangxu could only watch, that is until the glorious day of the Hundred Days Reforms and the War of the Dragons (1898-1899).
In 1898 upon carefully building up his own power base in his court, the reformist Emperor Guangxu silently began to plot the overthrow of Cixi with the reformist camp. And eventually they struck, aided by Yuan Shikai and the army, whose loyalty Guangxu secured by rewarding with greater powers and marrying a member of the general, struck. Fleeing the Forbidden City under the cover of darkness to Nanking, Guangxu announced Cixi had attempted to assassinate him and declared her authority null and void. Forming a new government and installing sweeping reforms, Emperor Guangxu made the first steps to make China into a truly modern state.
However Cixi refused to fall so easily. Rallying her own allies, including the Boxer movement, Cixi declared the Emperor had fallen under the sway of the foreign powers and declared the radical Manchu Prince Zaiyi as Emperor. Thus sparking the War of the Dragons.
A relatively short war to say the least, largely as Cixi could not control Zaiyi’s radicalism nor her allies watched as they besieged the foreign embassies of the Great Powers, whom now utterly flung their support behind the reformist Guangxu in an effort to preserve their power in China. Indeed it was a game changer for Guangxu, skillfully playing the Europeans greed and ambition against itself he managed to use them to help eradicate Cixi and her allies by marching north and crushing her insurrection. However this effectively split the Qing Dynasty as the ultraconservative Manchu’s fled north to their homeland and split away from the newly proclaimed, Heavenly Empire of China. However from that moment on Guangxu was free to follow the ways of the Meiji Restoration in Japan and thus China would enter into the Guangxu Restoration. An era in which China saw great modernization and revival whilst effectively terminating the twilight of the Qing at least for the meantime.
By the early 20th century, Guangxu had achieved all he’d set out to do. Stabilizing China, although not without opposition from those ultraconservatives remaining, he was able to restore the power of the Son of Heaven whilst also ensuring China a place as a Great Power in the near future.
However WW1 saw drastic changes, the Emperor faced the demands of the Central Powers and Entente to join either side, a sentiment echoed by his young headstrong heir, Prince Long. However thankfully China was able to remain out of the conflict despite the war parties demands, though it would take an active role in the Russian Revolution of 1917 and Russian Civil War thereafter, backing the White Army and often clashing with the Bolsheviks on the border.
The roaring Twenties saw the false economic boom to follow the First World War, a boom which China took part in. However with the stock market crash of 1929 and the Great Depression thereafter China faced grave issues. As the economy slowed and radical politics grew, Emperor Guangxu’s authority began to ebb as his son Prince Long began to push for conquest to sate Chinese needs. And in 1932 a sickly Emperor Guangxu acquiesced. Thus the Manchu Expedition to reconquer the so called Great Khanate of Manchuria began, it was however doomed from the start.
Due to squabbling leadership, and the overconfidence of Prince Long, the Expedition would suffer several defeats at the hands of the Manchu’s and their Korean allies. Defeats which only further humiliated China and in 1933, after grueling losses and few gains, Emperor Guangxu recalled the Expedition. Utterly humiliated and heartbroken over his inability to stop his son, Guangxu died in 1934, supposedly of a broken heart, at the age of sixty-three.
The death of Emperor Guangxu was bitter for the Chinese, not since the early Qing had China seen an Emperor of his character and it would not seen another for a long time. The succession by far deeply divided the land, as Prince Long shockingly found himself disinherited by his late father and his younger brother, the scholarly and quiet Prince Mao now named Emperor. And so the imperial court was once more divided.
Ascending the throne as the Daying Emperor, Prince Mao attempted to follow his father’s approach at ruling. Though his quiet nature often would see him be dominated by his bombastic and envious brother, Prince Long who’s expansionistic desires often tore court apart. These would be personified by the failures of the Qing to address internal issues and the practice of Long’s more predatory practices. Indeed by 1939 Long had come to dominate all aspects of court and had seen to it his supporters held absolute authority.
All the while Long, increasingly practiced pseudo-Fascistic policies, alienating minorities, and adopting more corporatist ideals whilst aligning himself with the Axis powers. And when WW2 broke out it was Long who led the charge, unleashing China upon Vietnam, Afghanistan, Mongolia and Manchuria he drastically expanded imperial power. And thus led China into open confrontation with Japan and the European powers. Moves which eventually would lead to Chinese overextension and downfall, with the 1943 invasion of China and fall of Nanking to communist revolutionaries.
Seeing the futility of the situation, the young Prince Puyi along with anti-Long officials and commanders launched the 1943 Christmas Coup. A coup which briefly divided the state as Long was forced to flee to Yunnan to continue the war from the east, whilst Daying with the now Prime Minister, Prince Puyi signed an armistice with the allies and now launched their forces against Long and his allies.
By 1945 though the war was over, as with the siege of Xinjiang Prince Long committed suicide, having been surrounded by pro-Daying forces in his palace. Soon after his son Prince Ren surrendered and the so called ‘Greater Qing Empire” ceased to exist.
Despite this though the crisis begun with Prince Long never ended, China was soon wracked with chaos as the communists refusing to join in the new government of Prince Puyi and in the south declared the ‘Revolutionary Republic of China’, calling the Qing’s rule over and the age of the proletariat in China had begun. With this combined with the economic fallout from the war China was effectively divided in two and civil war began.
For a decade the war would divide China, as the zealous communists held back the Imperial forces and even made new gains as revolutionary supporters flared up in the north. Eventually with the abdication of the Daying Emperor though a new leaf was turned over, determined to halt the fall of China into chaos not seen since the 19th century, the newly enthroned Emperor Wudi launched a massive campaign in 1953 to remove the communists. Aided by the eunuchs whom, acted as the imperial secret police and so on Wudi was able to ensure the end of further defections and through the use of heavy handed policies keep the Bolshevik uprising contained to the south once more.
Finally though in 1955 though with the death of the communist leader, Mao Zedong the communists fell into chaos and taking advantage of it, Wudi with his allies crushed the communists underfoot in the so called ‘Bloody Spring’ Offensive. However despite this the communists would still prove a nuisance and even threat to the Chinese government as shown by the Nanking crisis of 1965.
The Nanking Crisis itself saw the last great communist uprising, when communist sympathizers ion the army, staged a coup whilst a military parade began in the city. And in the process murdered Emperor Wudi, his son and heir Prince Cao and forcing the ascension of the three year old Empress Tianzi.
Tianzi herself, a minor’s early reign was deeply marred by the chaos of the Nanking Crisis. This is as her desperate mother, Dowager Empress Mai Ren, determined to protect her daughters position, not only murdered off several dozen rivals, but also formed a triumvirate with the High Eunuchs, headed by Zhao Wang and the military under Marshal Hu Cong.
Though through the agreement the Nanking Crisis was crushed underfoot, it however led to the total dominance of the triumvirate in Chinese politics, a fact of life which remains to this day as it continues to hold sway over the young Empress, and also the three factions, the nobility (Dowger Empress Mai Ren), the eunuchs (Zhao Wang) and the military (Marshal Hu Cong) compete for dominance. Whilst in their efforts to keep the communists firmly underfoot have joined other 1st world nations.

RP Example:
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Safety question, what are the three crises that nearly led to war but didn’t?: The Venetian Crisis of 1953, the Cuidad-Mexico Crisis of 1960, and the Nanking-Crisis of 1965

[Dwartzur]

Why does nobody want to support the democratic nation but everyone is willing to support the totalitarian empire?

Because this is NationStates. Everyone is an authoritarian dictator of their own nation here.

But no, really, my nations usually tend more to the democratic side in the RPs.

[Great Nepal]

Thanks... Really, I will take what you will give because more ships means lower chance of Indian navy slipping through.


Which is why there is different IC reason for invasion. To liberate the people of India from terrible oppression as being shown by the news networks that we totally didn't bribe.

There isn't any oppression. You are an hypocrite.

*Points at the The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Times, The Independent, The Times, Daily Mail etc* They disagree...

Anyone want to be friends with Fascist Anatolians/Romanians

Sure. You have a lot of oil right, commission to fix oil prices so we both get maximum revenue?

Why does nobody want to support the democratic nation but everyone is willing to support the totalitarian empire?

Actually, wait.
Nepal, what's the structure of your government? Realistically, not propaganda.
Also, Epraria, has your nation ever done anything Imperialistic?
I mean, the NAU might support India because, despite both of you being terrible foreigners, a docile foreigner is better than an Imperialistic one.

There is president who is really more like absolute monarch who rules for benefit of the capitol region.
Oh and would you like oil for neutrality and some gold? And one time military support for an action.

[Epraria]

The NAU also has oil, and will have more, very shortly.

Or, you fight with Nepal and then you have oil, gold and a friendly ally with a big military.

Because India has none of those things....

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Anyone want to be friends with Fascist Anatolians/Romanians

We would, but I think you don't like Blacks

we are fine with different RACES however as long as blacks integrate to our culture we are fine

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

India ill support you,
The have a bone to pick with these A-rabs

[Epraria]

There isn't any oppression. You are an hypocrite.

*Points at the The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Times, The Independent, The Times, Daily Mail etc* They disagree...

Anyone want to be friends with Fascist Anatolians/Romanians

Sure. You have a lot of oil right, commission to fix oil prices so we both get maximum revenue?

Actually, wait.
Nepal, what's the structure of your government? Realistically, not propaganda.
Also, Epraria, has your nation ever done anything Imperialistic?
I mean, the NAU might support India because, despite both of you being terrible foreigners, a docile foreigner is better than an Imperialistic one.

There is president who is really more like absolute monarch who rules for benefit of the capitol region.
Oh and would you like oil for neutrality and some gold? And one time military support for an action.

Wow you are always a dick to me it seems like.

[Mishmahig]

Actually, wait.
Nepal, what's the structure of your government? Realistically, not propaganda.
Also, Epraria, has your nation ever done anything Imperialistic?
I mean, the NAU might support India because, despite both of you being terrible foreigners, a docile foreigner is better than an Imperialistic one.

There is president who is really more like absolute monarch who rules for benefit of the capitol region.
Oh and would you like oil for neutrality and some gold?

No, our neutrality is assured. We'll simply supply large quantities of military material to India for reduced prices.

Only if India contacts us first, though. We're not lifting a finger otherwise (IC reason), and I don't really have time to write a full post (OOC reason).

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

There isn't any oppression. You are an hypocrite.

*Points at the The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Times, The Independent, The Times, Daily Mail etc* They disagree...

Anyone want to be friends with Fascist Anatolians/Romanians

Sure. You have a lot of oil right, commission to fix oil prices so we both get maximum revenue?

Actually, wait.
Nepal, what's the structure of your government? Realistically, not propaganda.
Also, Epraria, has your nation ever done anything Imperialistic?
I mean, the NAU might support India because, despite both of you being terrible foreigners, a docile foreigner is better than an Imperialistic one.

There is president who is really more like absolute monarch who rules for benefit of the capitol region.
Oh and would you like oil for neutrality and some gold? And one time military support for an action.

Yeah we have quite a bit of oil not too much but a good amount

[Vredlandia]

We would, but I think you don't like Blacks

we are fine with different RACES however as long as blacks integrate to our culture we are fine

Well, I think we only want to be friends and not live in your lands anyways.

[Glasgia]

Or, you fight with Nepal and then you have oil, gold and a friendly ally with a big military.

Because India has none of those things....

It has a lot less oil, currently quite a lot of gold but it's fighting to protect that and it's military is no where near as advanced or large as mine and Nepal's combined.

India ill support you,
The have a bone to pick with these A-rabs

And not the Indians? I'd seriously suggest that you support Nepal. Remember, he borders your nation so you face an invasion if you support India but can watch from a distance if your neutral or support Nepal

[Dwartzur]

*snip*

Did WW1 and WW2 exist in this universe, people? I don't remember it.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

we are fine with different RACES however as long as blacks integrate to our culture we are fine

Well, I think we only want to be friends and not live in your lands anyways.

sure then, but kill any Romanians and we will rain hell it self on you.
Glory to Arstozka

[Great Nepal]

No, our neutrality is assured. We'll simply supply large quantities of military material to India for reduced prices.
Only if India contacts us first, though. We're not lifting a finger otherwise (IC reason), and I don't really have time to write a full post (OOC reason).

Would you consider not doing that though? We could give you a lot of stuff... gold? oil? right to use a port to resupply in region?

Yeah we have quite a bit of oil not too much but a good amount

I have lot of oil, that means we can fix price together and get maximum profit...

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Because India has none of those things....

It has a lot less oil, currently quite a lot of gold but it's fighting to protect that and it's military is no where near as advanced or large as mine and Nepal's combined.

India ill support you,
The have a bone to pick with these A-rabs

And not the Indians? I'd seriously suggest that you support Nepal. Remember, he borders your nation so you face an invasion if you support India but can watch from a distance if your neutral or support Nepal

My country has had a long standing problem with Muslims,Arabs

[Great Nepal]

My country has had a long standing problem with Muslims,Arabs

We are neither... Its Afghanistan based one, and current ruling family is Hindu/ Buddhist.

[Epraria]

Because India has none of those things....

It has a lot less oil, currently quite a lot of gold but it's fighting to protect that and it's military is no where near as advanced or large as mine and Nepal's combined.

India ill support you,
The have a bone to pick with these A-rabs

And not the Indians? I'd seriously suggest that you support Nepal. Remember, he borders your nation so you face an invasion if you support India but can watch from a distance if your neutral or support Nepal

And why would my army be outdated because it's not.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

My country has had a long standing problem with Muslims,Arabs

We are neither... Its Afghanistan based one, and current ruling family is Hindu/ Buddhist.

Really? oh......
yeah now I feel bad that I need to attack you

[Vredlandia]

Well, I think we only want to be friends and not live in your lands anyways.

sure then, but kill any Romanians and we will rain hell it self on you.
Glory to Arstozka

Nah, we won't. Our government kills nobody except for when they try to hurt our sovereignty. And as you are someone we could want as a friend we would give those persons to you instead of killing them anyways.

[Glasgia]

It has a lot less oil, currently quite a lot of gold but it's fighting to protect that and it's military is no where near as advanced or large as mine and Nepal's combined.


And not the Indians? I'd seriously suggest that you support Nepal. Remember, he borders your nation so you face an invasion if you support India but can watch from a distance if your neutral or support Nepal

My country has had a long standing problem with Muslims,Arabs

A lot of India's muslim too, so it'd make most sense just to stay out of it then. Anyway, why do you have a problem with arabs? Because you haven't got a better reason to fight for India?

It has a lot less oil, currently quite a lot of gold but it's fighting to protect that and it's military is no where near as advanced or large as mine and Nepal's combined.


And not the Indians? I'd seriously suggest that you support Nepal. Remember, he borders your nation so you face an invasion if you support India but can watch from a distance if your neutral or support Nepal

And why would my army be outdated because it's not.

Says in your app that your military is not quite up to western standards or something. I'm selling Nepal huge amounts of weapons and his military is already well trained, so his military is better than yours.

[Dwartzur]

No, our neutrality is assured. We'll simply supply large quantities of military material to India for reduced prices.
Only if India contacts us first, though. We're not lifting a finger otherwise (IC reason), and I don't really have time to write a full post (OOC reason).

Would you consider not doing that though? We could give you a lot of stuff... gold? oil? right to use a port to resupply in region?

Yeah we have quite a bit of oil not too much but a good amount

I have lot of oil, that means we can fix price together and get maximum profit...

Why don't you guys leave the "Don't support him, support me instead!" thing to the IC? I'm sure we'd have a lot of IC posts if you did that, instead of having 4 pages of IC and 120 of OOC in the end of the RP.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

My country has had a long standing problem with Muslims,Arabs

A lot of India's muslim too, so it'd make most sense just to stay out of it then. Anyway, why do you have a problem with arabs? Because you haven't got a better reason to fight for India?

And why would my army be outdated because it's not.

Says in your app that your military is not quite up to western standards or something. I'm selling Nepal huge amounts of weapons and his military is already well trained, so his military is better than yours.

For the fact that Romania for a long time was viciously subjugated by the Ottomans who were muslims, I mean have you ever read of Mihai, Corvinus
Vlad III

[Great Nepal]

We are neither... Its Afghanistan based one, and current ruling family is Hindu/ Buddhist.

Really? oh......
yeah now I feel bad that I need to attack you

Or, you could attack Arab state with Syria, Jordan etc...
Plus you will be fighting in a mountainous region, good defensible region. Why not just stay out of the war?