The Fall of Empires [AltHis/OOC/Open]

[The Magnified Union of Aligned Communes]

take Toungoo, pls <3

From my threadbare knowledge of the region after skimming the Wiki articles, I wouldn't be surprised if a Mongol successor state popped up there.
Incidentally, I notice a strange lack of Mongol land.

[Soviet Ruk-Tsan]

Wait, holy crap, just noticed Japan claimed a huge portion of America. The Ruskies don't approve of your taking of Alaska.

I'd love to give Alaska to Russia in exchange for Kurils (and, of course, peace & love). I just painted it over because it looked nice, I probably wouldn't do much with it.

If you do end up getting your claims, consider that a done deal for the IC.

[Irrelevance (Ancient)]

take Toungoo, pls <3

From my threadbare knowledge of the region after skimming the Wiki articles, I wouldn't be surprised if a Mongol successor state popped up there.
Incidentally, I notice a strange lack of Mongol land.

Someone should just take over a random swathe of land in Mongolia, far east Russia and northern China and set up a Mongol puppet.

[Reddogkeno101]

I can help you, but then don't invade me.

We barbarian Goths have to invade somebody, so I guess for land, power or a pile of gold you'll have us by your side.

You get the land. We just get revenge. This is only if the Krintz guy gets it. If the other guy gets it then I won't.

I can help you, but then don't invade me.

Seeing he lacks a coast to the west I think the only really useful allies invading him would be Ukraine, which is a bit small compared to Russia, Scandinavia, the two of whom I believe were thinking over a non aggressive pact, Kurds, who are probably a bit busier with their colonies, Persia, Japan, and China. Though honestly, not to be unfair or nothing, but it should be fair regardless of which two players get Russia. They were both told that the land was reserved for them and both worked on applications.

That was the plan.

[Parhe]

I'd love to give Alaska to Russia in exchange for Kurils (and, of course, peace & love). I just painted it over because it looked nice, I probably wouldn't do much with it.

If you do end up getting your claims, consider that a done deal for the IC.

You know you basically am giving away your own viable port area.

[Irrelevance (Ancient)]

We barbarian Goths have to invade somebody, so I guess for land, power or a pile of gold you'll have us by your side.

You get the land. We just get revenge. This is only if the Krintz guy gets it. If the other guy gets it then I won't.

Seeing he lacks a coast to the west I think the only really useful allies invading him would be Ukraine, which is a bit small compared to Russia, Scandinavia, the two of whom I believe were thinking over a non aggressive pact, Kurds, who are probably a bit busier with their colonies, Persia, Japan, and China. Though honestly, not to be unfair or nothing, but it should be fair regardless of which two players get Russia. They were both told that the land was reserved for them and both worked on applications.

That was the plan.

Well, I'd attack either one for gold, land or power, possibly even slaves, technology or just a damn good song.

[Epraria]

From my threadbare knowledge of the region after skimming the Wiki articles, I wouldn't be surprised if a Mongol successor state popped up there.
Incidentally, I notice a strange lack of Mongol land.

Someone should just take over a random swathe of land in Mongolia, far east Russia and northern China and set up a Mongol puppet.

I already own all of china and mongolia.

[Parhe]

From my threadbare knowledge of the region after skimming the Wiki articles, I wouldn't be surprised if a Mongol successor state popped up there.
Incidentally, I notice a strange lack of Mongol land.

Someone should just take over a random swathe of land in Mongolia, far east Russia and northern China and set up a Mongol puppet.

I believe what Epraria, whom I believe is China, is doing is basically the Yuan after a Chinese revolution.

[Soviet Ruk-Tsan]

If you do end up getting your claims, consider that a done deal for the IC.

You know you basically am giving away your own viable port area.

Que?

[Qiguang]

Ok, I didn't notice Cascadia was taken. So, an explanation:

1. Mid-Pacific (Micronesian) islands are taken because Japanese navy is good enough, technology-wise, to travel freely through the area and they are barely populated anyway. Furthermore, they never took anyone's interest.
2. In Fiji, Vanuatu, New Guinea and Japanese Indonesia, Japan mostly sets up plantations where coolie workers from Vietnam and the like work. Much of it is supported by private enterprise. In some instances (Sulu, Ternate, Kutch) Japan recognizes local governments' existence (but not much else) and treats them as protectorates.
3. In Indochina Japan has an actual, full-fledged colony, with Vietnamese imperial family and Khmer/Lao dynasties sitting in their palaces as Japanese subjects.
4. Philippines are also a run-of-the-mill colony.
I'm willing to get rid for American claims in exchange for Kurils, if Russia wishes so (but I still want them at the beginning). I don't want any conflict there, I just assumed that Russia isn't interested in Alaska/will be more interested in Europe.

[Reddogkeno101]

You get the land. We just get revenge. This is only if the Krintz guy gets it. If the other guy gets it then I won't.

That was the plan.

Well, I'd attack either one for gold, land or power, possibly even slaves, technology or just a damn good song.

We have a damn good song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yys5iioLUNw. But we also will let you keep all of Russia. Don't forget, this is only if Krintz (or whatever he's called) gets Russia.

[The Magnified Union of Aligned Communes]

From my threadbare knowledge of the region after skimming the Wiki articles, I wouldn't be surprised if a Mongol successor state popped up there.
Incidentally, I notice a strange lack of Mongol land.

Someone should just take over a random swathe of land in Mongolia, far east Russia and northern China and set up a Mongol puppet.

Seems plausible. Something tells me I really should be putting more thought into the implications of a Rome-Mongol war, considering their cultures and how they'd use Gilded Age technology, but I'm still recuperating from a burst of last-minute assignment-typing and simply am too lazy...
...but really, again, this would need some thought about how quickly the Rus people spread out, but surely all that swaths of forest steppe in Russia can't be too populated by, well, Russians? There might be some sedentary Mongols living there.

[Parhe]

You know you basically am giving away your own viable port area.

Que?

You do not have much ice free ports with Kamchatka being nearly iced around.. The best outside the Southern Kurils is Okhotsk, which was basically abandoned for a reason.

[Irrelevance (Ancient)]

Well, I'd attack either one for gold, land or power, possibly even slaves, technology or just a damn good song.

We have a damn good song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yys5iioLUNw. But we also will let you keep all of Russia. Don't forget, this is only if Krintz (or whatever he's called) gets Russia.

I counter with tiny Cossacks, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9VXLFrxN58, your move.

[Qiguang]

You know you basically am giving away your own viable port area.

Que?

We can arrange one Russian extraterritorial port in Kurils in exchange for one Japanese extraterritorial port in Alaska, if that's something Russia is willing to consider.

Also, climate-wise, Kuril ports aren't much better than what Russia already has in Okhotsk and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. None of them is a all-year warm-water port (which is why Russia didn't hesitate to give all of Kurils away in 1875). The first true warm-water port Russia got in the Far East was Dalian.

[Parhe]

We have a damn good song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yys5iioLUNw. But we also will let you keep all of Russia. Don't forget, this is only if Krintz (or whatever he's called) gets Russia.

I counter with tiny Cossacks, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9VXLFrxN58, your move.

The equivalent would be you bidding in an auction for something you yourself are trying to auction off.

[Irrelevance (Ancient)]

I'd be willing to allow the Russians access to my Crimean ports and Odessa for protection (And gold, land, power and a damn good song, that's basically the Goths new motto)

Also, I don't want all of Russia, just the bits bordering me, plus the Caucasus, but the main problem is, and always has been, you can not control Russia, there are too damned many of them hiding in the hills, they can just grab forty billion more and throw 'em at you.

[Epraria]

I feel surrounded by potential enemies.

[Parhe]

Que?

We can arrange one Russian extraterritorial port in Kurils in exchange for one Japanese extraterritorial port in Alaska, if that's something Russia is willing to consider.

Also, climate-wise, Kuril ports aren't much better than what Russia already has in Okhotsk and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. None of them is a all-year warm-water port (which is why Russia didn't hesitate to give all of Kurils away in 1875). The first true warm-water port Russia got in the Far East was Dalian.

Perhaps not year round (I could not find a source supporting your claim or breaking you claim) but it is functunal up till November.

[Soviet Ruk-Tsan]

I'm willing to get rid for American claims in exchange for Kurils, if Russia wishes so (but I still want them at the beginning). I don't want any conflict there, I just assumed that Russia isn't interested in Alaska/will be more interested in Europe.

You know Russia, we love to own everything.

Also, the port trade seems interesting, I'll consider it.


And Mr. Ukraine, seeing as we needed some more Black Sea ports, deal. Until we own the Ukraine directly.

[Irrelevance (Ancient)]

I feel surrounded by potential enemies.

Who are you?

[Parhe]

I feel surrounded by potential enemies.

Just be friends with Russia. That would help both of you safeguard a long border and let both of you focus on more important areas; I doubt Siberia is the location either of you wish to have to fight over.

[Epraria]

I feel surrounded by potential enemies.

Who are you?

The yellow blob that is china.

[Soviet Ruk-Tsan]

I feel surrounded by potential enemies.

Just be friends with Russia. That would help both of you safeguard a long border and let both of you focus on more important areas; I doubt Siberia is the location either of you wish to have to fight over.

What if I wanted to fight over Manchuria?

[Irrelevance (Ancient)]

Who are you?

The yellow blob that is china.

Ah okay, on a side note, is it bad that the (Unintentionally) racist part of me giggled a little at that?