AWWA Part II-The Second Thirty Years War(OOC)

by **Epraria** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:18 pm

I don't think I want an alliance china as I don't want to get the British, German and Japanese empires hating and attacking me if the opium war happens.

by **Unicario** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:19 pm

Epraria wrote:I don't think I want an alliance china as I don't want to get the British, German and Japanese empires hating and attacking me if the opium war happens.

All I need is to stay away from Japan's equivalent to Wilhelm II. I've pulled a Bismarck thus far.

by **Ruridova** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:20 pm

Shrill, is it OK if the C.S.A. buys Alaska from Russia? before next RP?

by **Epraria** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:21 pm

I don't know what the UKSND can do right now.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:27 pm

Epraria wrote:I don't think I want an alliance china as I don't want to get the British, German and Japanese empires hating and attacking me if the opium war happens.

Don't worry, just claim that you are 'neutral' but in reality leaning to China.

Epraria wrote:I don't know what the UKSND can do right now.

Try and export opium.

by **Unicario** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:30 pm

*whispers to China* Japan doesn't trust you

About me · by **Luziyca** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:31 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Sure for Tsingtao, but Shanghai, I'm debating.

If the Opium Wars ensue and you lose like China did in real life, you won't get to debate.

So I have to cede Shanghai?

Anyways, if we lose the war, I plan for Manchuria to be ceded to Japan, and then a revolt led by those who felt that the Qing lost their legitimacy in the Yinshi, while Hung declares himself Emperor and operates from Nanjing, to create a new dynasty that will be influenced by his belief in Christianity (and that he is the younger brother of Jesus), and his RL beliefs.

Unicario wrote:*whispers to China* Japan doesn't trust you

Because you are afraid that if borders open, we can send our military to take over Korea?

by **Ruridova** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:32 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Ruridova wrote:If the Opium Wars ensue and you lose like China did in real life, you won't get to debate.

So I have to cede Shanghai?

Anyways, if we lose the war, I plan for Manchuria to be ceded to Japan, and then a revolt led by those who felt that the Qing lost their legitimacy in the Yinshi, while Hung declares himself Emperor and operates from Nanjing, to create a new dynasty that will be influenced by his belief in Christianity (and that he is the younger brother of Jesus), and his RL beliefs.

If you lose, then Germany will claim the cities of Qingdao and Shanghai and some of the surrounding areas, yes.

by **Unicario** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:33 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Ruridova wrote:If the Opium Wars ensue and you lose like China did in real life, you won't get to debate.

So I have to cede Shanghai?

Anyways, if we lose the war, I plan for Manchuria to be ceded to Japan, and then a revolt led by those who felt that the Qing lost their legitimacy in the Yinshi, while Hung declares himself Emperor and operates from Nanjing, to create a new dynasty that will be influenced by his belief in Christianity (and that he is the younger brother of Jesus), and his RL beliefs.

Unicario wrote:*whispers to China* Japan doesn't trust you

Because you are afraid that if borders open, we can send our military to take over Korea?

Pretty much. The Japanese know the Chinese are superior in manpower, and Japan knows that China still claims Korea as a province, so Japan is always vigilant against a horde crossing the Yalu.

As for Manchuria, we'd likely confederate it much like the provinces of Korea, and make them all Prefectures, and give them representation in the Imperial Diet, like we did to everyone else.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:34 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Luziyca wrote:So I have to cede Shanghai?

Anyways, if we lose the war, I plan for Manchuria to be ceded to Japan, and then a revolt led by those who felt that the Qing lost their legitimacy in the Yinshi, while Hung declares himself Emperor and operates from Nanjing, to create a new dynasty that will be influenced by his belief in Christianity (and that he is the younger brother of Jesus), and his RL beliefs.

If you lose, then Germany will claim the cities of Qingdao and Shanghai and some of the surrounding areas, yes.

Okay, now to start thinking of issuing a law in the Yinshi that bans opium imports, to the opposition of the governing party.

by **Ruridova** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:37 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Ruridova wrote:If you lose, then Germany will claim the cities of Qingdao and Shanghai and some of the surrounding areas, yes.

Okay, now to start thinking of issuing a law in the Yinshi that bans opium imports, to the opposition of the governing party.

Do you want to lose? :blink:

by **Unicario** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:38 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Okay, now to start thinking of issuing a law in the Yinshi that bans opium imports, to the opposition of the governing party.

Do you want to lose?

All for RPing, I guess.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:40 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Okay, now to start thinking of issuing a law in the Yinshi that bans opium imports, to the opposition of the governing party.

Do you want to lose?

Nope.

Perhaps if we ban opium, I will include a loophole saying that opium will be legalized for "medicinal purposes" only, and that only licensed doctors can prescribe opium, but since the licensing system would be very easy, it just leads to an uptake in snake oil and "clinics" and unsurprisingly, opium.

by **Unicario** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:44 pm

When Akiko gets upset, she doesn't get angry, she just rips your country's pride up.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:51 pm

Unicario wrote:When Akiko gets upset, she doesn't get angry, she just rips your country's pride up.

The Daoguang Emperor could get angry, but it takes a lot for him to get upset (and the anger part). But insulting his ancestors directly or his family (or even concubines) and it is a shorter fuse.

by **Unicario** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:58 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Unicario wrote:When Akiko gets upset, she doesn't get angry, she just rips your country's pride up.

The Daoguang Emperor could get angry, but it takes a lot for him to get upset (and the anger part). But insulting his ancestors directly or his family (or even concubines) and it is a shorter fuse.

Right, but for all the "Shogunate" Japan gets called by China, we return the favor by calling him the Khan of the Manchus, ignoring his title "Emperor of China".

by **Ruridova** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:00 pm

So apparently, if we use the current borders for the CSA next RP assuming an Alaskan annexation, Obama still would have had a majority of electoral college votes(not 270, but more than Romney). (The 2012 election would be fun in the C.S.A.) Bush would still be able to muster 271 in 2004.

Speaking of which:

Ruridova wrote:Shrill, is it OK if the C.S.A. buys Alaska from Russia? before next RP?

by **Shrillland** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:11 pm

Ruridova wrote:So apparently, if we use the current borders for the CSA next RP assuming an Alaskan annexation, Obama still would have had a majority of electoral college votes(not 270, but more than Romney). (The 2012 election would be fun in the C.S.A.) Bush would still be able to muster 271 in 2004.

Speaking of which:
Ruridova wrote:Shrill, is it OK if the C.S.A. buys Alaska from Russia? before next RP?

If you like. I didn't realise Deseret was so big...

by **Ruridova** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:15 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Ruridova wrote:So apparently, if we use the current borders for the CSA next RP assuming an Alaskan annexation, Obama still would have had a majority of electoral college votes(not 270, but more than Romney). (The 2012 election would be fun in the C.S.A.) Bush would still be able to muster 271 in 2004.

Speaking of which:

If you like. I didn't realise Deseret was so big...

It was. It was made of three states- I think they were Illinois, Michigan, and Minnesota- but those included Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, et cetera.

I'll have Alaska added over the gap between the RPs once this one's gone.

by **Ruridova** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:19 pm

INFORMATION FOR THE EVENTUALLY-UPCOMING REBOOT Some on my RP stuff, some on everybody's.
ASSUMES: German-Italian-Dutch Victory in the Austrian War
First Opium War is Averted
CSA Annexation of Deseret
CSA Purchase of Alaska

(make date and name substitutions as necessary for the seals and flags)

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IN DIXIE'S LAND, Confederacy

Free men hear your country call you!
Up, lest worse than death befall you!
To arms, to arms, to arms, Dixie Land!
Hear the voices of this land's salvation
In the voices of this Revolution!
To arms, to arms, to arms, Dixie Land!
Advance the flag of Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie's land we take our stand, and live or die for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!

Send the Royal Crown your fierce defiance!
With free America in proud alliance!
To arms, to arms, to arms, Dixie Land!
On, ye patriots, to battle,
Hear Americaner cannon rattle!
To arms, to arms, to arms, Dixie Land!
Advance the flag of Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie's land we take our stand, and live or die for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!

Go meet the foul foreign oppressors,
With iron will and faith in God's successes.
To arms, to arms, to arms, Dixie Land!
Know that the men at your side
Will stand with you until they die!
To arms, to arms, to arms, Dixie Land!
Advance the flag of Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie's land we take our stand, and live or die for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!

No more shall we be trampled under;
British flags in our winds shall cease to flutter!
To arms, to arms, to arms, Dixie Land!
Hail those who have gone before thee,
And served to liberate our country.
To arms! To arms! To arms, Dixie Land!
Advance the flag of Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie's land we take our stand, and live or die for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!

Fear no danger! Shun no labor!
Lift up rifle, pike, and saber!
To arms! To arms! To arms, Dixie Land!
Shoulder pressing close to shoulder,
Let the odds make each heart bolder!
To arms! To arms! To arms, Dixie Land!
Advance the flag of Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie's land we take our stand, and live or die for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!

Swear upon your country's altar
Never to submit or falter-
To arms! To arms! To arms, Dixie Land!
Till the defilers are defeated,
Till the Lord's work is completed!
To arms! To arms! To arms, Dixie Land!
Advance the flag of Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie's land we take our stand, and live or die for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!
To arms! To arms! And conquer peace for Dixie!

OUR DIXIE FOREVER, Confederacy

Our flag is proudly floating on the land and on the main,
Shout, shout the Battle Cry of Freedom!
Beneath it oft runs the blood of George Washington,
Shout, shout the Battle Cry of Freedom!

Our Dixie forever! She's never had a loss,
Down with the lion, and up with the cross,
We will rally 'round the Confed'rate Flag, we'll rally once again,
Shout! Shout! The Battle Cry of Freedom!

Our gallant boys have marched to the rolling of the drums,
Shout, shout the Battle Cry of Freedom,
And Britain's tears shall invigorate our strength,
Shout, shout the Battle Cry of Freedom!

Our Dixie forever! She's never had a loss,
Down with the lion, and up with the cross,
We will rally 'round the Confed'rate Flag, we'll rally once again,
Shout! Shout! The Battle Cry of Freedom!

They've laid down their lives to free this land,
Shout, shout the Battle Cry of Freedom!
Their motto is "Down with Britain!"
Shout, shout the Battle Cry of Freedom!

Our Dixie forever! She's never had a loss!
Down with the lion, and up with the cross,
We'll rally 'round the Confed'rate Flag, we'll rally once again,
Shout, shout, The Battle Cry of Freedom!

BATTLE HYMN OF THE REPUBLIC, Union/Confederate

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
His truth is marching on.

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps,
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps:
His day is marching on.

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
His day is marching on.

I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal;
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,
Since God is marching on.

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Since God is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat:
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Our God is marching on.

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me.
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
While God is marching on.

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
While God is marching on.

He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave,
He is Wisdom to the mighty, He is Succour to the brave,
So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of Time His slave,
Our God is marching on.

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Our God is marching on.

HEIL DIR IM SIEGERKRANZ, Germany

Heil dir im Siegerkranz,
Herrscher des Vaterlands!
Heil, Kaiser, dir!
Fühl in des Thrones Glanz
Die hohe Wonne ganz,
Liebling des Volks zu sein!
Heil Kaiser, dir!

Nicht Roß und Reisige
Sichern die steile Höh',
Wo Fürsten steh'n:
Liebe des Vaterlands,
Liebe des freien Manns
Gründen den Herrscher Thron
Wie Fels im Meer.

Heilige Flamme, glüh',
Glüh' und erlösche nie
Fürs Vaterland!
Wir alle stehen dann
Mutig für einen Mann,
Kämpfen und bluten gern
Für Thron und Reich!

Handel und Wissenschaft
Heben mit Mut und Kraft
Ihr Haupt empor!
Krieger- und Heldentat
Finden ihr Lorbeerblatt
Treu aufgehoben dort,
An deinem Thron!

Dauernder stets zu blüh'n
Weh' unsre Flagge kühn
Auf hoher See!
Ha, wie so stolz und hehr
Wirft über Land und Meer
Weithin der deutsche Aar
Flammenden Blick.

Sei, Kaiser von Deutschland, hier
Lang' deines Volkes Zier,
Der Menschheit Stolz!
Fühl' in des Thrones Glanz,
Die hohe Wonne ganz,
Liebling des Volkes zu sein!
Heil, Kaiser, dir!

DAS DEUTSCHLANDLEID, Germany

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält.
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt,
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt!

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach lasst uns alle streben
Brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Sind des Glückes Unterpfand;
Stoßet an und ruft einstimmig,
Hoch, das deutsche Vaterland

Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang
Sollen in der Welt behalten
Ihren alten schönen Klang,
Uns zu edler Tat begeistern
Unser ganzes Leben lang.
Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang!

Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach lasst uns alle streben
Brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Sind des Glückes Unterpfand;
Blüh' im Glanze dieses Glückes,
Blühe, deutsches Vaterland!

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles
Und im Unglück nun erst recht.
Nur im Unglück kann die Liebe
Zeigen ob sie stark und echt.
Und so soll es weiterklingen
Von Geschlechte zu Geschlecht:
Deutschland, Deutschland über alles
Und im Unglück nun erst recht.

DIE WACHT AM RHEIN, Germany

Es braust ein Ruf wie Donnerhall,
wie Schwertgeklirr und Wogenprall:
Zum Rhein, zum Rhein, zum deutschen Rhein,
wer will des Stromes Hüter sein?
Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!

Durch Hunderttausend zuckt es schnell,
und aller Augen blitzen hell;
der Deutsche, bieder, fromm und stark,
beschützt die heil'ge Landesmark.
Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!

Er blickt hinauf in Himmelsau'n,
wo Heldenväter niederschau'n,
und schwört mit stolzer Kampfeslust:
Du Rhein bleibst deutsch wie meine Brust!
Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!

Solang ein Tropfen Blut noch glüht,
noch eine Faust den Degen zieht,
und noch ein Arm die Büchse spannt,
betritt kein Feind hier deinen Strand!
Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!

Und ob mein Herz im Tode bricht,
wirst du doch drum ein Welscher nicht.
Reich, wie an Wasser deine Flut,
ist Deutschland ja an Heldenblut!
Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!

Der Schwur erschallt, die Woge rinnt
die Fahnen flattern hoch im Wind:
Am Rhein, am Rhein, am deutschen Rhein
wir alle wollen Hüter sein.
Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!

So führe uns, du bist bewährt;
In Gottvertrau'n greif' zu dem Schwert!
Hoch dem Kaiser! Nieder mit der Brut!
Und tilg' die Schmach mit Feindesblut!
Lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
lieb Vaterland, magst ruhig sein,
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!
Fest steht und treu die Wacht, die Wacht am Rhein!

AUFERSTANDEN AUS RUINEN, Germany

Auferstanden aus Ruinen
und der Zukunft zugewandt,
lasst uns Dir zum Guten dienen,
Deutschland, einig Vaterland.
Alte Not gilt es zu zwingen,
und wir zwingen sie vereint,
denn es muss uns doch gelingen,
dass die Sonne schön wie nie
über Deutschland scheint,
über Deutschland scheint.

Glück und Friede sei beschieden
Deutschland, unserm Vaterland.
Alle Welt sehnt sich nach Frieden,
reicht den Völkern eure Hand.
Wenn wir brüderlich uns einen,
schlagen wir des Volkes Feind.
Lasst das Licht des Friedens scheinen,
dass nie eine Mutter mehr
ihren Sohn beweint,
ihren Sohn beweint.

Lasst uns pflügen, lasst uns bauen,
lernt und schafft wie nie zuvor,
und der eignen Kraft vertrauend
steigt ein frei Geschlecht empor.
Deutsche Jugend, bestes Streben
unsres Volks in dir vereint,
wirst du Deutschlands neues Leben.
Und die Sonne schön wie nie
über Deutschland scheint,
über Deutschland scheint.

by **Shrillland** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:39 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
If you like. I didn't realise Deseret was so big...

It was. It was made of three states- I think they were Illinois, Michigan, and Minnesota- but those included Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, et cetera.

I'll have Alaska added over the gap between the RPs once this one's gone.

Sorry, I'd forgotten where it was, I meant Utah and those regions. Still, we can rectify that in the next RP. Go ahead and have the Midwest, we'll see what happens.
As for the other matter, it'll be four game days before the Anglo-Boer armies reach their selective targets, but I'll get the ball rolling there too.

by **Ruridova** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:41 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Ruridova wrote:It was. It was made of three states- I think they were Illinois, Michigan, and Minnesota- but those included Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, et cetera.

I'll have Alaska added over the gap between the RPs once this one's gone.

Sorry, I'd forgotten where it was, I meant Utah and those regions. Still, we can rectify that in the next RP. Go ahead and have the Midwest, we'll see what happens.
As for the other matter, it'll be four game days before the Anglo-Boer armies reach their selective targets, but I'll get the ball rolling there too.

In this universe the Mormons were never so hated by Protestants that they were driven to Utah. I do plan on having a "Mormon colony", so to speak, in Utah, pledging allegiance to the Church HQ back in Nauvoo.

As for rectify, why can the C.S.A. not have land?

by **Shrillland** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:55 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Sorry, I'd forgotten where it was, I meant Utah and those regions. Still, we can rectify that in the next RP. Go ahead and have the Midwest, we'll see what happens.
As for the other matter, it'll be four game days before the Anglo-Boer armies reach their selective targets, but I'll get the ball rolling there too.

In this universe the Mormons were never so hated by Protestants that they were driven to Utah. I do plan on having a "Mormon colony", so to speak, in Utah, pledging allegiance to the Church HQ back in Nauvoo.

As for rectify, why can the C.S.A. not have land?

Of course they can have it, but I need something to fight over for the next part. My plan was that by 1840 when this part ends Britain never formally makes peace with the Confederacy, though only minor skirmishes and border wars take place between then and 1860 and that the war would be finally finished at that time after a final major war.

by **Ruridova** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:59 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Ruridova wrote:In this universe the Mormons were never so hated by Protestants that they were driven to Utah. I do plan on having a "Mormon colony", so to speak, in Utah, pledging allegiance to the Church HQ back in Nauvoo.

As for rectify, why can the C.S.A. not have land?

Of course they can have it, but I need something to fight over for the next part. My plan was that by 1840 when this part ends Britain never formally makes peace with the Confederacy, though only minor skirmishes and border wars take place between then and 1860 and that the war would be finally finished at that time after a final major war.

Maybe a war over Cuba and Puerto Rico when the CSA buys them from Spain, followed by its spread to British Honduras and the North American continent proper? Britain holds Honduras, bans further CSA expansion in Nrth America, and gets heavy monetary reparations for any damage, but the CSA gets Cuba and Puerto Rico?

by **Shrillland** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:02 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Of course they can have it, but I need something to fight over for the next part. My plan was that by 1840 when this part ends Britain never formally makes peace with the Confederacy, though only minor skirmishes and border wars take place between then and 1860 and that the war would be finally finished at that time after a final major war.

Maybe a war over Cuba and Puerto Rico when the CSA buys them from Spain, followed by its spread to British Honduras and the North American continent proper? Britain holds Honduras, bans further CSA expansion in Nrth America, and gets heavy monetary reparations for any damage, but the CSA gets Cuba and Puerto Rico?

hmm....If I do that I might as well hold off on the next part until c. 1890, when such a war would've finally been feasible for America, no matter who leads it. Still, it is alt-history, and we've a long way to go before we have to make such decisions.

AWWA Part II-The Second Thirty Years War(OOC)

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