AWWA Part II-The Second Thirty Years War(OOC)

[The Vaktovian Empire]

So am I still hated around here or......??

Depends. Are you still bent on expanding into the America's?

No..... However, I still control Haiti as France and the Dominican Republic as Portugal... correct? As long as this is the case, then I'm fine....

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Alright, so I will be giving up my claims on trying to recolonize the Americas. But as such, I am coming up with my roster for the next RP. Here we go:
-1st French Republic
-Andalusian Caliphate
-Junta Reino de Portugal
-Russian Empire
-Kingdom of Italy
-Persian Empire (Persia, Western Afghanistan)
-Christian Republic of Nuristan (Eastern Afghanistan)
-Shiite Republic of Afghanistan (Republic of Afghanistan, Northern Afghanistan)
-Kingdom of Sweden (Norway, Denmark, Greenland, Iceland)

[Bojikami]

Alright, so I will be giving up my claims on trying to recolonize the Americas. But as such, I am coming up with my roster for the next RP. Here we go:
-1st French Republic
-Andalusian Caliphate
-Junta Reino de Portugal
-Russian Empire
-Kingdom of Italy
-Persian Empire (Persia, Western Afghanistan)
-Christian Republic of Nuristan (Eastern Afghanistan)
-Shiite Republic of Afghanistan (Republic of Afghanistan, Northern Afghanistan)
-Kingdom of Sweden (Norway, Denmark, Greenland, Iceland)

Good but I believe the decision is up to Shrill.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

The newest map. And I hope the resolution is good:
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/143/7/6/awwa_planned_map_3_by_spartanm129-d7jf0yv.png

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Alright, so I will be giving up my claims on trying to recolonize the Americas. But as such, I am coming up with my roster for the next RP. Here we go:
-1st French Republic
-Andalusian Caliphate
-Junta Reino de Portugal
-Russian Empire
-Kingdom of Italy
-Persian Empire (Persia, Western Afghanistan)
-Christian Republic of Nuristan (Eastern Afghanistan)
-Shiite Republic of Afghanistan (Republic of Afghanistan, Northern Afghanistan)
-Kingdom of Sweden (Norway, Denmark, Greenland, Iceland)

Good but I believe the decision is up to Shrill.

[Ruridova]

STOP SCREWING WITH AFGHANISTAN

[The Vaktovian Empire]

STOP SCREWING WITH AFGHANISTAN

I ain't screwing with anything. Apparently you don't remember this:

[The Vaktovian Empire]

NS nation: The Vaktovian Empire
Nation you wish to take: Spain, (Caliphate of Al-Andalus)
Leader: Ashwath Suthar I
Colonies(where applicable): All of sovereign Al-Andalus; Spain, Cape Verde, Madeira, Gibraltar, Canary Islands, Morocco, Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Persia, Central America excluding Belize.
Population: 35 Million
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni): The Battle Charles Martel partook in which repelled the Muslims in Spain never happened. (Hope this works, since we relatively left Spain alone in both RP's, and never talked primarily of its government, just of what lands it ceded [It still could have been Muslim]) Instead, the Muslims stopped in Spain, right South of Gaul. The Muslims had controlled Spain for years. They never officially ruled Portugal, which (Takes all of the events that the actual Kingdom of Spain partook in its place for any of your IC Events that are backstory before 1776) The Muslims in Spain and Morocco would become the only solid Muslims to stay in Europe. After the crusades, and the conquering of other Muslims lands across North Africa by the Algerians, the Libyans, the Egyptians, and then Italy, Greece, and France much later in the 1800's, the Muslims would be the only ones left in Europe. Back after this battle in Gaul though, these Muslims would make Andalusian-Sunni Islam, they believe that Abu Bakr as-Siddiq is the true successor to Mohammed, but they also believe that neither Shiites or Sunnis should argue over who the true successor is, as the Prophet Mohammed would not have wanted this. Because of this, they don't just consider themselves "Sunnis". Anyhow, the Caliphate, after being established, grew, as time went on. Eventually, they had Mexico and other stuff, including Cuba, and Puerto Rico. They controlled basically anything Spain could have controlled according to the canons of this RP, and more than that. Since the Ottoman Turks control the holy cities, and they established this early on, during the 18th century, Al-Andalusian prophets saw it fit to conquer Arabia, and claim Riyadh as the holiest place in their religion. Riyadh; the pinnacle of Arabia, they claimed, was the site that Mohammed would be most proud of, and the only thing he should be proud of considering the ethnic fighting his death brought between Sunnis and Shiites. Arabia would not be the only ME Country taken by Spain in the 18th century, though. They'd already conquered Persia in the 15th century, after the collapse of a Persian Dynasty (Made this up because I'm too much of a lazy bum to read on Persia as well ). Persia would become an Emirate of Al-Andalus, and later would become the site of the Emirate Empire of Persia, which was still a satellite under Al-Andalus. Al-Andalus would control early on, the Canary Islands, and Gibraltar from the British in the 16th century. As well as this, they control Cape Verde, and Madeira. They also control whatever's listed above ^.

NS nation: The Vaktovian Empire
Nation you wish to take: Islamic Republic of Mexico
Leader: Emperador Hosni Vincent Gomez
Colonies(where applicable): Clipperton (Never claimed By France, renamed Costa Luna)
Population: 8 Million
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni): Basically, Mexico was the place that many Catholic and Christian Al-Andalusians migrated to (Much like the pilgrims in the earlier years of North American colonialism). Unfortunately, their freedom would not last like that of the pilgrims. In the earlier 1700's, before the revolutionary war period, the Al-Andalusian caliphate would regain government control of Mexico. They'd rename the capital Mexicali (No Mexicali where actual Mexicali is), from Mexico City, and they'd begin a system of reforms to make Mexico into a Caliphate colony. The Catholics would be attacked and persecuted much less than the Catholic Spanish in Al-Andalus at the time, and they'd become much less of a trouble to the government, as they were given certain freedoms those in Al-Andalus weren;t give. Of course, the government would remain Islamic, and the system, and way of doing things would remain Andalusian. But Mexico has more Spanish (in terms of culture and language) Than Al-Andalus and its colonies. Mexico is still Islamic and a record breaking 82.1% were reported to be officially Muslim in the country by 1830. They had all mostly converted. The remainder of those not Muslim are either Catholic, Jewish, Protestant, or Mormon. Mormons are now officially outlawed. As the government doesn't want another religion that allows multiple wives in its own ranks of legal religions. Most of the royalty in the Islamic Republic are equally Islamic and Spanish in routes. For instance, the Emperador, the equivalent of a European Emperor in Mexico, has both Muslim routes with his first name, Catholic routes with his middle name, and Spanish routes with his last, but he's officially Muslim. As of yet, there has been no official monarch of the Republic succeeding to the throne, who became Catholic or anything other than Muslim. The Republic is not as much of a Republic as it is a Monarchic Republic. There is a Royalty, and then there is the council of Ministers and such. There is no Parliament, and basically the people don't get to really "elect" anyone. It's essentially a dictatorship/ half junta, with a nice "Republic" as the title to make it seem less evil than it really is.

NS nation: The Vaktovian Empire
Nation you wish to take: Portugal (After the war happens)
Leader: President Geraldo Arnaz
Colonies(where applicable): Former Portuguese Colonies (If any)
Population: 5 Million
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni): Basically, after the war, the devastated Portuguese borders will be flooded with Spanish Catholic and non-Muslim refugees who will all mostly be accepted. This is why the population rises so substantially from nearly 3 Million in 1830, to 5 Million for whenever the invasion happens, post-invasion. The Portuguese Government will be overturned, and the victors will most likely support the installment of these Pro-European Spanish Republicans.

NS nation: The Vaktovian Empire
Nation you wish to take: Republic of Afghanistan
Leader: President Nur Taraki
Colonies(where applicable): Non, besides having interests in expanding North.
Population: 6 Million
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni): Afghanistan was all but recently Islamic. After more and more pressures from Persia kicking Shiites and Sunnis alike to incorporate its Al-Andalusian policies in the 15th century, Afghanistan slowly morphed into an Islamic Empire with Shiites and Sunnies working together. This would be true, only if not for the British. After the British took India, and with it Pakistan, there was an increasing amount of white and Caucasian pressure coming West to Afghanistan. In light of this, a few would make money off of the game. In the 1700's, wealthy American and British businessmen and politicians alike, settling their qualms with eachother, would go to Afghanistan. Some had heard from others living in India, others were directly from Pakistan and India who were British. They'd remake the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan into the Republic of Afghanistan, and kick the majority of Muslims into Chinese territory, which wasn't happy to take them, but this was before the territory was totally Chinese, and before they had a chance to stop it. So into the Stan's the Muslims went, and into Afghanistan the large swabs of whites came. Now, in 1830 (whatever the direct year is) Around 2 Million people in Afghanistan are white, and the original Afghan populace totals at 4 Million. The majority of Muslims, though, were converted, and the majority, in fact a record 93.2% of the population is Afghan Orthodox ( A compromise of Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox religions of the whites all wrapped into one religion that would allow all rules of each's following and codes to be allowed while each sacrificed a part to be removed to form the new Afghan Bible). The Republic of Afghanistan is truly a wonder. It was never thought a Middle Eastern country could become pre-dominantly Christian, or believe in God and Jesus for that matter. But, they were, and they did. And they now, are. The government is quite simple. It is a mostly conservative government based on the 1745 Constitution. This constitution, similar to the American one but allowing more rights for those who are Christian than those Muslim, also allows for rights and defenses of all people, and the written codes of law, including punishments, sentencing, and the way the government works. The conservatives are a fair party, directed by Taraki. They'd like to see the country become more modernized and industrialized, even more than it is now. But they want conservatism. They want to keep most of the laws and systems the same even if the constitution will change some of that. They will be willing to fight to keep the government as key as it is now. They want to revamp the constitution to take into account new inventions and such, including the right to bare arms law restricted. They'd also like to increase military spending though, as well as making border-crossing to the territory between it and Eastern China illegal, as well as to Persia, or British Pakistan. The government runs off an executive branch, but instead of dividing the legislative by province, Afghanistan is one province in itself. There are administrative regions, but legislative politicians do not belong to those branches. They are all elected to 5 year terms, and they are all elected by the whole country in its entirety. They can be put on an impeachment vote, and removed by a country-wide vote, or President and President's cabinet vote. They also have less power in checks and balances, as the Executive in itself is the most powerful branch when it comes down to it. Superior court cases fall to the Supreme Jury, which is made up of Jurors instead of Judges. Smaller district judges are also called jurors. However, no one judge can make a ruling. Usually, at a court case 3-5 judges will be present. Any number of judges can be put on a case, and for extreme infractions on the law, sometimes as much as over 20-40 jurors are put on a case, and the case is held in the Chambers of the Supreme Jury. The Supreme Jury building has a section for the standard 9-panel juror council, and then a place for the entirety that a 50-juror case can be had. The building is essentially a super dome, but on a smaller scale. The legislative is ruled out of a building that has one large, skinny, but tall wall that is the front of the building, and has a large pane window. Behind that wall is the main wing of the building, which is the center of the building. It's roof is shorter than that of the front. To either side, there are the two smaller wings. These are the wings of the two legislative parties that have enough votes from the country to be on the national level. The parties have never changed in over 90 years, which is the Conservative Party, which wants to as said above ^ Remain the same. And the Liberal Party, which wants more liberty and rights for all races, as well as to have no ban on free realm and border-hopping, and would rather not have restrictions on gun-rights. They are essentially bleeding-heart liberals of the U.S. The executive branch is made up of the President's select cabinet, the Vice President, and the Joint Council of Military officers. It involves, Karaqi National Guard (The Afghan National Guard, named after a Northern Administrative Region {Fictional}, the Afghan Republican Army, or ARA, Republican Special Forces, or RSF, and the Afghan Republican Navy, or ARN.

[Mitteleuropa]

The newest map. And I hope the resolution is good:
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/143/7/6/awwa_planned_map_3_by_spartanm129-d7jf0yv.png

(Uni here) As official cartographer (by permission of Shrill), I reject this map as canon. My latest map remains the current map, as I am the only one with authority to modify the map.

[Mitteleuropa]

Depends. Are you still bent on expanding into the America's?

No..... However, I still control Haiti as France and the Dominican Republic as Portugal... correct? As long as this is the case, then I'm fine....

For now.

I also object to the balkanization of Afghanistan under any sort of foreign influences, period. Afghanistan *did* resist the influence of foreign nations for decades, HMPF.

[Ruridova]

STOP SCREWING WITH AFGHANISTAN

I ain't screwing with anything. Apparently you don't remember this:

Official canon map dictates that Afghanistan is unclaimed. You do not determine canon; the official map does, because it's authorized by Shrill.

[Mitteleuropa]

I ain't screwing with anything. Apparently you don't remember this:

Official canon map dictates that Afghanistan is unclaimed. You do not determine canon; the official map does, because it's authorized by Shrill.

^ This ^

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Well, then as official cartographer you approved this map, which has me controlling Afghanistan as a Christian Republic:
http://f.cl.ly/items/1N1K1K1Z362B2g3e3500/VeIywT7.png

[The Vaktovian Empire]

And i realize Afghanistan would resist foreign powers. What you may or may not understand is that there are no Foreign powers here. Nuristan is Christian Afghanistan and Northern Afghanistan is Muslim Afghanistan. Basically, a long-drawn out civil-war is going to ensue. It will be similar to the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan only it will go on to be very longer.

[Unicario]

Well, then as official cartographer you approved this map, which has me controlling Afghanistan as a Christian Republic:
http://f.cl.ly/items/1N1K1K1Z362B2g3e3500/VeIywT7.png

The newest map. And I hope the resolution is good:
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/143/7/6/awwa_planned_map_3_by_spartanm129-d7jf0yv.png

(Uni here) As official cartographer (by permission of Shrill), I reject this map as canon. My latest map remains the current map, as I am the only one with authority to modify the map.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Well, then as official cartographer you approved this map, which has me controlling Afghanistan as a Christian Republic:
http://f.cl.ly/items/1N1K1K1Z362B2g3e3500/VeIywT7.png

(Uni here) As official cartographer (by permission of Shrill), I reject this map as canon. My latest map remains the current map, as I am the only one with authority to modify the map.

Yes, you're the only one with authority to modify the map. But that is when changes are given to you to make by said people (for example Boji's Ukraine and Ruri's Mexican puppet-states). I never told you you could make Persia a Empire (But I then agreed to it). Just like I didn't tell you you could make it control Afghanistan. I never gave that word.

[Ruridova]

First the Righteous Cause, then Neither Victory not Peace, and now Blessed are the Persecuted.

Yes, you're the only one with authority to modify the map. But that is when changes are given to you to make by said people (for example Boji's Ukraine and Ruri's Mexican puppet-states). I never told you you could make Persia a Empire (But I then agreed to it). Just like I didn't tell you you could make it control Afghanistan. I never gave that word.

Uni is mapmod and made those changes with the permission of the OP. Shrill and Uni seriously overrule you.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

First the Righteous Cause, then Neither Victory not Peace, and now Blessed are the Persecuted.

Yes, you're the only one with authority to modify the map. But that is when changes are given to you to make by said people (for example Boji's Ukraine and Ruri's Mexican puppet-states). I never told you you could make Persia a Empire (But I then agreed to it). Just like I didn't tell you you could make it control Afghanistan. I never gave that word.

Uni is mapmod and made those changes with the permission of the OP. Shrill and Uni seriously overrule you.

Well I'll be diddly-doed. In that case, I will give the Persian Empire to you then. I seriously don't need the extra bothersome of RPing something I don't even want to own.

[Luziyca]

The newest map. And I hope the resolution is good:
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/143/7/6/awwa_planned_map_3_by_spartanm129-d7jf0yv.png

You got no right to make changes to the map.

For those of you (all of you) unhappy with the way things have been playing out, I am willing and open to compromiseable suggestion on the grounds that I have gone too far into the Alternate-History perspective. I shouldn't have treated this as a Alternate-Earth like RP. Anyway, again, I am open to suggestion on how we can fix this, provided I am allowed to retain some properties of my nations. Also, @Luziyca, I will explain what I did with Andalusia.
1. It was never taken in the last RP, which allowed me to be able to mold it to my being.
2. It was originally based off of a nation Ruri had in a former RP, I molded it a little more to my liking but the original idea was in fact Ruridova's.
3. I did not make it unrealistic. I simply tried to justify what would have happened had the Muslims in Spain retained the land instead of being removed during the reconquesta. Arabia is Andalusian because of the fact it was (non-historically) prior to this time period in the 1400's and previously. I had written this all in the OOC, and had backed everything up with either my own explanation or actual historical events. Do realize if you believe this is non-accurate or I just pulled this out of my butthole, I did not.
4. What I will agree on is that I have gone overboard with Portugal. However, if we can compromise and cooperate, I plan on limiting it to its colonies previous to my stupid and illegitimate and illogical plans (Azores, Madeira, Dominican Republic), and stop trying to make it bigger. Instead, Paraguay will just become part of either Brazil or the Incan Empire (Without any wars or genocide). But Portugal will not recognize it as a legitimate nation or part of another nation (Inca or Brazil). As such, since Portugal has waged such a harsh punishment on Catholicism in the past few months (With the Andalusians trying to attempt to cleanse Andalusia Sovereign of Catholics) Portugal can no longer be a member of the Catholic Church, nor does its government believe in the Catholic Church as the Junta and Royal Family are Atheist-Agnostic.
5. Any further toils you have, please address. This goes for all. I hope this clears some information up....

1. I'll concede to you on that point.
2. Did you get Ruri's permission? Because I doubt it.
3. Yes, but this isn't AWWR (A World Without the Reconquista). This is A World Without America. And I expect history up to 1774 to be like RL history. When the first part begins, that is where you can diverge.
4. Understood. However, it is a bit unrealistic since the Catholics would rise up in rebellion.

That said, my objection to Andalus stands because this isn't a World if the Reconquista didn't happen or if the Muslims won. For one, Christianity would be almost extinct at this point should the Muslims win in Spain. As for your Persia and Afghanistan? Just no. Afghanistan cannot be Christian, Andalus cannot colonize Arabia without Arab nationalism, and Persia? Someone else should control Persia.

I want to co-operate with you, but until you co-operate with everyone else (or at least the major players), I urge and plead that you go start your own alt-hist RP, not just for my sanity, but for the collective sanity. /endrant

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For Li Xiagong, I plan that some of his followers storm a Japanese-owned business in Shanghai, loot it and one kills the owner, while the rest kill his family by burning them alive, then when the Japanese and urbanites hear of it, they retaliate by storming businesses suspected of following Xiagong's ideology, and long story short, tit-for-tat riots would probably make Hiroshima and Nagasaki's riots look peaceful and probably result in Shanghai being mostly reduced to a pile of rubble, and causing huge disruptions in China's railroad network (every line in China itself goes through Shanghai). It will be rebuilt, but after this, Shanghai is no longer the premier trade center, and begins to compete with Tianjin and later, Haishenwai (Vladivostok) and Hong Kong.

Only in the mid-1970s would Shanghai become the premier trade center again.

[Ruridova]

No, Vak did not get my permission. Hell, I don't remember what alt he's talking about.

[Shrillland]

Well, then as official cartographer you approved this map, which has me controlling Afghanistan as a Christian Republic:
http://f.cl.ly/items/1N1K1K1Z362B2g3e3500/VeIywT7.png

Only Uni has authorisation to alter the map. And I'm sorry to say that this just...isn't working out anymore. Its nothing personal, and I hope to RP with you again(If you make a world without the Reconquista, I'll definitely look into it ) But I think the best thing to do at this point is open the territories to whoever wants them. I'm very sorry.

As for all these books, when I get into September, Britain's opinions will be known.

[Bojikami]

If Vaks lands are open, Italy and Russia are my claims.

[Ruridova]

If Vaks lands are open, Italy and Russia are my claims.

If some editing of his lands is allowed, I think I'll take Greater Vasconia and Denmark.

[Ruridova]

Well, then as official cartographer you approved this map, which has me controlling Afghanistan as a Christian Republic:
http://f.cl.ly/items/1N1K1K1Z362B2g3e3500/VeIywT7.png

Only Uni has authorisation to alter the map. And I'm sorry to say that this just...isn't working out anymore. Its nothing personal, and I hope to RP with you again(If you make a world without the Reconquista, I'll definitely look into it ) But I think the best thing to do at this point is open the territories to whoever wants them. I'm very sorry.

As for all these books, when I get into September, Britain's opinions will be known.

Why into September? What do you mean by that?

[Unicario]

*hues* I'd like to advise everyone *slowly* start claiming territory. I am going to use my influence as mystical map god to retcon the existance of the Andalucian Caliphate. The Islamic communities around the world caused by said Caliphate will still exist, but will be the result of Islamic migration, not Spanish colonialism.

As for Russia, well, I'd advise everyone hold off on that for now.

However, the URCA will be taking Haiti and Dominica over, and the Inca will take over Paraguay and the False Inca.