AWWA Part II-The Second Thirty Years War(OOC)

[Bojikami]

THE TRIUMVIRATE OF DEMOCRACY.

When I'm on my computer, and not my phone, this will become a Polandball.

That should be the name of the Allied Powers.

[Shrillland]

U wot m8?

Don't forget Crimea coming into the fold. Speaking of which...

NS nation: Luziyca
Nation you wish to take: Khanate of Crimea
Leader: Khan Kemal Giray
Colonies(where applicable):
Population: 35,000
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni):

Basically, Crimean Tatars are seceding from Ukraine, meaning that I encourage Muslim nations to support the rebellion, especially the Ottomans.

Accepted. For the rest of these posts, I'll get to them in good time once I have a new keyboard. Using the on-screen one is just too slow for regular visits.

[Unicario]

Map of the next RP

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Actually, if we take a look on page 36 we will se obvious examples that my question was actually approved by 3/6 people in the rp. So, paraguays gonna be Portuguese as it was already started ICly for the invasion. Now as for the Italian invasion of middle eastern States of Persia and Afghanistan......

[Unicario]

Actually, if we take a look on page 36 we will se obvious examples that my question was actually approved by 3/6 people in the rp. So, paraguays gonna be Portuguese as it was already started ICly for the invasion. Now as for the Italian invasion of middle eastern States of Persia and Afghanistan......

The Ottoman Empire will defend the Persian nation from foreign aggression, and I'm pretty sure China and Britain would tell you to sod off.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Actually, if we take a look on page 36 we will se obvious examples that my question was actually approved by 3/6 people in the rp. So, paraguays gonna be Portuguese as it was already started ICly for the invasion. Now as for the Italian invasion of middle eastern States of Persia and Afghanistan......

The Ottoman Empire will defend the Persian nation from foreign aggression, and I'm pretty sure China and Britain would tell you to sod off.

So let it be. At this point, I have faith that with the ottoman empires current rapid expansionism, and the good standing Italy is in with in the rest of Europe, that eve shall you defend it, should you actually send troops while the Persians fare themselves, you'd be denounced and such ICly. I'm also pretty sure (ICly speaking) that Victoria and China would rather see Persia and Afghanistan under a European civioized society (like previously under Andalusia) rather it retain its own independent government where terrorism and anarchy can become byproducts. In the end, we shall see. It will be fairly interesting to see how Andalusia (me) would respond, which I don't even know.

[Unicario]

The Ottoman Empire will defend the Persian nation from foreign aggression, and I'm pretty sure China and Britain would tell you to sod off.

So let it be. At this point, I have faith that with the ottoman empires current rapid expansionism, and the good standing Italy is in with in the rest of Europe, that eve shall you defend it, should you actually send troops while the Persians fare themselves, you'd be denounced and such ICly. I'm also pretty sure (ICly speaking) that Victoria and China would rather see Persia and Afghanistan under a European civioized society (like previously under Andalusia) rather it retain its own independent government where terrorism and anarchy can become byproducts. In the end, we shall see. It will be fairly interesting to see how Andalusia (me) would respond, which I don't even know.

>Rapid expansionism
>Ottoman Empire seized a bunch of useless colonies and nobody objected
>Italy is in good standing (hahahaha)
>Anarchy and terrorism

Europe would rather *they* control it than the Italians who can't even hold an empire outside their own peninsula.

[Ruridova]

Oh my effing god Vak. Everyone opposes you now. You cannot have Paraguay as a colony and you cannot curbstomp-conquer Persia and Afghanistan. Stop. Please.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Oh my effing god Vak. Everyone opposes you now. You cannot have Paraguay as a colony and you cannot curbstomp-conquer Persia and Afghanistan. Stop. Please.

I won't curbstop Afghanistan and Persia but really, shall I respond to this "Everyone opposes you now" ????

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Alright, so I realize it makes since Italy cannot come into the Americas and start colonizing stuff it never owned. However, since we're going to play a Brazilian storyline where Brazil's Empire will collapse, could it be made so that Portugal comes back into the fray here? If not, we'll stick with what's going to happen already ICly, which is that Princess Kimberly and the Junta of Portugal under the Junta Reino de Portugal will attempt to destroy whats left of the strong but crumbling Paraguese Republic, and as a result should they be successful these will be the results:
-Portugal will take control of Paraguay which will go on to be the only surviving colony under European control as a result of the strict crackdowns that will be enforced on Spanish Catholics in Paraguay. It will retain the land it owns that connects it to the sea.
-As a result, the Incan Federation will cede itself to the Incan Empire (Uni) to protect itself from further encroachment by Portuguese Colonial troops.

>I believe this is a fare compromise, and there will be a more elaborate and sensible storyline, because saying (This new Portuguese Junta-Kingdom that's bouncing back from its losses in the Portuguese War (Between the Netherlands, Germany and Japan), and is taking a [small bit of SA] to be its colonies up into the 1900's and possibly to through half of the 20th century is more realistic than saying: Oh yeah, this Italian Kingdom which is taking more losses in terms of Colonial claims in Africa than Portugal is and never set foot in the Americas is going to colonize all of Southern South America in a wink of an eye). So I hope this storyline is more suited to your gentlemens' liking.

Eh, I would accept under the condition that Guyane gets to take over Amapa.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Hmm, I don't have any necessarily strong objections, but I do note that the Western Hemisphere is a volatile place for colonizers.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Now then, in the case of Persia-Afghanistan, if it cannot be reconquered, I will simply control it. It will simply become a puppet of Andalusia with close ties towards both Andalusia and the Ottoman Empire. Now I can't promise anything short of a government collapse later down the road. But should such a case arise, any European intervention by any of my countries would be for the sole reason that I decide to have Andalusia attempt to regain control of its lost land with a Persian collapse, even though it is a puppet, and a European power, (Such as France) would send Foreign Legion forces to assist the Persians. Now, as for Italy, I won't say which side it would take. I guarantee until 1900 no such thing will likely occur.

[Luziyca]

I think that in my humble opinion, Vak should be "indefinitely suspended" from the RP for the fact that it isn't even realistic. Sure, China modernized and expanded in 50 years, but at least it kept traditional Chinese culture. You just mutilated Spain and made it Islamic. Just, no.

Actually, if we take a look on page 36 we will se obvious examples that my question was actually approved by 3/6 people in the rp. So, paraguays gonna be Portuguese as it was already started ICly for the invasion. Now as for the Italian invasion of middle eastern States of Persia and Afghanistan......

Only if you got to give Amapa to Guyane. Otherwise, I will rescind my approval.

Actually, if we take a look on page 36 we will se obvious examples that my question was actually approved by 3/6 people in the rp. So, paraguays gonna be Portuguese as it was already started ICly for the invasion. Now as for the Italian invasion of middle eastern States of Persia and Afghanistan......

The Ottoman Empire will defend the Persian nation from foreign aggression, and I'm pretty sure China and Britain would tell you to sod off.

This. China might actually take advantage and let the Dzungar calvary help defend Persia and then invading your Arabian territory and making it a Chinese outer province led by a local Emir loyal to Ottoman Islam. Meaning China will have a foothold in the Middle East.

[Bojikami]

Map of the next RP

When will the next RP take place? (Like year wise.)

[Ruridova]

Map of the next RP

When will the next RP take place? (Like year wise.)

1891.

Now then, in the case of Persia-Afghanistan, if it cannot be reconquered, I will simply control it. It will simply become a puppet of Andalusia with close ties towards both Andalusia and the Ottoman Empire. Now I can't promise anything short of a government collapse later down the road. But should such a case arise, any European intervention by any of my countries would be for the sole reason that I decide to have Andalusia attempt to regain control of its lost land with a Persian collapse, even though it is a puppet, and a European power, (Such as France) would send Foreign Legion forces to assist the Persians. Now, as for Italy, I won't say which side it would take. I guarantee until 1900 no such thing will likely occur.

No. Leave Persia and Afghanistan alone. Stop trying to recolonize America.
As for the rest of us opposing you- well, you know I've said no, but:

U wot m8?

:palm: No.

I thought we agreed on no colonizing the Americas?

[Bojikami]

When will the next RP take place? (Like year wise.)

1891.

Now then, in the case of Persia-Afghanistan, if it cannot be reconquered, I will simply control it. It will simply become a puppet of Andalusia with close ties towards both Andalusia and the Ottoman Empire. Now I can't promise anything short of a government collapse later down the road. But should such a case arise, any European intervention by any of my countries would be for the sole reason that I decide to have Andalusia attempt to regain control of its lost land with a Persian collapse, even though it is a puppet, and a European power, (Such as France) would send Foreign Legion forces to assist the Persians. Now, as for Italy, I won't say which side it would take. I guarantee until 1900 no such thing will likely occur.

No. Leave Persia and Afghanistan alone. Stop trying to recolonize America.
As for the rest of us opposing you- well, you know I've said no, but:

U wot m8?

:palm: No.

I thought we agreed on no colonizing the Americas?

Ukraine and Romania unify in 1865.

[Unicario]

Oh my god, can we *not* have people passing puppetry of non-Ottoman Arabia around? Whomever owns Arab land I expect to RP full Arab nationalism. The only way the Turks could hold onto Arabia is by merit of land connection and cultural similarity. China can't, and I oppose CHINA taking over parts of Arabia as well, or Persia or Afghanistan.

Can't we have one bit of realism here?

[Ruridova]

Oh my god, can we *not* have people passing puppetry of non-Ottoman Arabia around? Whomever owns Arab land I expect to RP full Arab nationalism. The only way the Turks could hold onto Arabia is by merit of land connection and cultural similarity. China can't, and I oppose CHINA taking over parts of Arabia as well, or Persia or Afghanistan.

Can't we have one bit of realism here?

Agreed. Alt-hist doesn't mean BS.

[Unicario]

Oh my god, can we *not* have people passing puppetry of non-Ottoman Arabia around? Whomever owns Arab land I expect to RP full Arab nationalism. The only way the Turks could hold onto Arabia is by merit of land connection and cultural similarity. China can't, and I oppose CHINA taking over parts of Arabia as well, or Persia or Afghanistan.

Can't we have one bit of realism here?

Agreed. Alt-hist doesn't mean BS.

And if anyone controls Arabia, I expect a horrible road ahead. Nationalist rebellions, jihadists, the whole nine yards. In the era of nationalism, control of a group of people like the Arabs is HORRIBLY difficult to keep control of, and China would have to dedicate thousands of soldiers to keep their Emir in power since likely, Arab tribes from Ottoman Red Sea Province would invade looking to topple it.

I plan for the Ottoman Empire to snatch it's own ass out of the fires of Arab upstart by extensive reforms and concessions that inevitably shape the Ottoman Empire's political future forever.

Nationalism should threaten every Empire under the sun! Japan, China, Britain, Germany, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Ottomans, Dutch, etc. etc. -- Nobody is safe from the nationalist fervor. Every nation has a group of minorities who want freedom. The Japanese have Vietnamese and Koreans, Britain has the Americans and Boers, Ukraine has the Tatars, Russia has Tatars and Sibirs and commies, and shit, the Turks have Arabs, Dutch have Indonesians, China has Turks and Mongols...

Remember that historically, there was this REALLY BIG SET OF REVOLUTIONS in 1848 that nearly tore Europe a new asshole. We can't just say that gets butterflied away, especially since we've admitted Napoleon happened, which set off the chain of events leading to the era of nationalism.

[Ruridova]

Agreed. Alt-hist doesn't mean BS.

And if anyone controls Arabia, I expect a horrible road ahead. Nationalist rebellions, jihadists, the whole nine yards. In the era of nationalism, control of a group of people like the Arabs is HORRIBLY difficult to keep control of, and China would have to dedicate thousands of soldiers to keep their Emir in power since likely, Arab tribes from Ottoman Red Sea Province would invade looking to topple it.

I plan for the Ottoman Empire to snatch it's own ass out of the fires of Arab upstart by extensive reforms and concessions that inevitably shape the Ottoman Empire's political future forever.

Nationalism should threaten every Empire under the sun! Japan, China, Britain, Germany, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Ottomans, Dutch, etc. etc. -- Nobody is safe from the nationalist fervor. Every nation has a group of minorities who want freedom. The Japanese have Vietnamese and Koreans, Britain has the Americans and Boers, Ukraine has the Tatars, Russia has Tatars and Sibirs and commies, and shit, the Turks have Arabs, Dutch have Indonesians, China has Turks and Mongols...

Remember that historically, there was this REALLY BIG SET OF REVOLUTIONS in 1848 that nearly tore Europe a new asshole. We can't just say that gets butterflied away, especially since we've admitted Napoleon happened, which set off the chain of events leading to the era of nationalism.

Hey, I'm the one who argues that there's insufficient nationalism!

In all seriousness, agreed. Germany and Hungary will face utter hell and total humiliation next RP when Czechoslovakia manages to break free; the CSA will have to deal with race riots; and the only saving grace Caucasia has is that I'm about to set it on a course that will lead to the genocide of non-Georgians in the country.

[Luziyca]

Oh my god, can we *not* have people passing puppetry of non-Ottoman Arabia around? Whomever owns Arab land I expect to RP full Arab nationalism. The only way the Turks could hold onto Arabia is by merit of land connection and cultural similarity. China can't, and I oppose CHINA taking over parts of Arabia as well, or Persia or Afghanistan.

Can't we have one bit of realism here?

Yeah, China's control of Arabia would be frequently rocked by Arab revolts, with China only really controlling the coasts while letting local sheiks control the interior, while the Emir rules the outer coast.

Agreed. Alt-hist doesn't mean BS.

And if anyone controls Arabia, I expect a horrible road ahead. Nationalist rebellions, jihadists, the whole nine yards. In the era of nationalism, control of a group of people like the Arabs is HORRIBLY difficult to keep control of, and China would have to dedicate thousands of soldiers to keep their Emir in power since likely, Arab tribes from Ottoman Red Sea Province would invade looking to topple it.

I plan for the Ottoman Empire to snatch it's own ass out of the fires of Arab upstart by extensive reforms and concessions that inevitably shape the Ottoman Empire's political future forever.

Nationalism should threaten every Empire under the sun! Japan, China, Britain, Germany, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Ottomans, Dutch, etc. etc. -- Nobody is safe from the nationalist fervor. Every nation has a group of minorities who want freedom. The Japanese have Vietnamese and Koreans, Britain has the Americans and Boers, Ukraine has the Tatars, Russia has Tatars and Sibirs and commies, and shit, the Turks have Arabs, Dutch have Indonesians, China has Turks and Mongols...

Remember that historically, there was this REALLY BIG SET OF REVOLUTIONS in 1848 that nearly tore Europe a new asshole. We can't just say that gets butterflied away, especially since we've admitted Napoleon happened, which set off the chain of events leading to the era of nationalism.

Yes. Many of the immigrants to Arabia would be soldiers of Hui descent. That said, the inland of Arabia would have a Saud declare independence in 1918 and claim all of Chinese Arabia, triggering other revolts. I anticipate that by the 1920s, China would only effectively rule the coast (pretty much OTL South Yemen), while the Saudis control the interior and some other Muslims control Omani parts. In 1943, we let go the Emirate (South Yemen), and recognize the sovereignty of the Saudis and the Omanis, but it is effectively a Chinese puppet state with the Hui Muslims propping up the regime, and gets overthrown and replaced by a Republic like Nasserist Egypt in 1953. The new President expels the Hui Chinese and the Emir to the Maldives, but makes friendship agreements with Islamic countries.

Long story short, China would not bode well there and would face hell and high water, and really only controlling the southern coast.

As for the other bits of China, Dungania will gain sovereignty in the 1930s, but many would've revolted before except the Kyrgyz. The Mongols and Tibetans would probably revolt various times, the Tibetans in particular being like the Catalans (hence why in 1967, China adopts a Spanish-style autonomy for Mongolia, Manchuria, Uyghurstan and Tibet).

Also, Japan has the Ainu.

[Unicario]

No, I object to the settlement of Chinese people into Arabia, IT'S NOT REALISTIC! African settlement is different in a sense that it's easier to culturally blend (see: Afrikaner), but Arabia? No. No. No. The Ottomans would take every step to throw China out, even if it means invading it and going to war with China. We only reluctantly permit Andalusia to keep the area without a fight because they're Muslims, but China or Japan controlling Arabia? The Turks would be up in arms.

Japan will deal with the Ainu in a different manner than Korea and Vietnam.

I'm putting my foot down -- if there cannot be the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, then there cannot be a Greater Chinese Co-Prosperity Empire. PERIOD.

[Luziyca]

No, I object to the settlement of Chinese people into Arabia, IT'S NOT REALISTIC! African settlement is different in a sense that it's easier to culturally blend (see: Afrikaner), but Arabia? No. No. No. The Ottomans would take every step to throw China out, even if it means invading it and going to war with China. We only reluctantly permit Andalusia to keep the area without a fight because they're Muslims, but China or Japan controlling Arabia? The Turks would be up in arms.

Japan will deal with the Ainu in a different manner than Korea and Vietnam.

I'm putting my foot down -- if there cannot be the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, then there cannot be a Greater Chinese Co-Prosperity Empire. PERIOD.

Well, then I will accept the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Well, Arabia will remain sovereign Andalusian, but suffer major terrorist/ jidahist movements, riots, rebellions, etc. As for Italy in Persia and such (I'm sorry that was a terrible idea). However, with Nationalism also occurring in the Persian Empire (Of which I will RP) As a result, Andalusia (In its quest to remain dominant in the ME) will attempt to destabilize Persia further but then gain control by whatever means necessary (Like making a deal with the Persian Jihadists). AS a result, Europe will be unhappy (Or at least my Europe) And France (Who already is tensed with Andalusia) will most likely intervene using the Foreign Legion. However, there will be no CONQUEST of Persia or Afghanistan by France, only for it to be preserved by France. Once the Andalusians are back in Arabia, France will set up an interim government and leave.
As for the Portuguese plans on taking over Paraguay, since I have posted that idea numerous times now, and have gone through with it ICly, but Uni and Luz somewhat agreed, I am planning on going through with that plan so long as my other plans are dropped. My grounds for such a conquest are that Paraguay is a natural (and actually originally a colony of Spanish Catholics). Since the Spanish Catholics (attempted) to seize Portugal as their own Kingdom, Princess Kimberly and the Junta Reino de Portugal (Junta Kingdom of Portugal) will attack it on grounds it is part of the rebellious terrorists who attempted to sack Portugal and Lisbon, and will eventually kill all Catholic life in the nation, making it Portuguese. (btw, I've made Portugal so anti-Catholic due to this whole run in with the Spanish Catholics, even thought he former Republic is Catholic, the Junta and new Royal Family are atheist/ agnostic. As such, due to the way I have things mapped out for Portugal, a wide array of rapid conversion will take place, and the alternative (enacted by the Princess) will be death. It will be like a Roman Empire Persecution, only this time, in Portugal.

>On a side note, I'm sorry for arguing my other ideas. If this Portuguese Paraguese invasion plot is allowed to go threw (since it is a crucial part to my countries' European story line and plot, I will no longer ask for other ideas to be recognized, aside from those I will instigate in my own countries I already control (Mainly Portugal) of which I won't ask permission because they're mine. Again, I'm sorry, and I'm hoping we can put past arguments and such aside....

[Bojikami]

Has anyone responded to the Venezuela post yet? Also Ruri, did the CSA get the Venezuelan expeditionary force?