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by Shrillland » Tue May 06, 2014 11:13 am

by Shrillland » Mon May 12, 2014 9:22 pm

by Luziyca » Mon May 12, 2014 9:42 pm
Shrillland wrote:I haven't forgotten about you guys, but it might be some time before I return...no later than the middle of next week.


by Shrillland » Fri May 16, 2014 9:29 pm

by The Vaktovian Empire » Sat May 17, 2014 8:28 pm

by Luziyca » Sat May 17, 2014 8:40 pm
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Alright, so I realize it makes since Italy cannot come into the Americas and start colonizing stuff it never owned. However, since we're going to play a Brazilian storyline where Brazil's Empire will collapse, could it be made so that Portugal comes back into the fray here? If not, we'll stick with what's going to happen already ICly, which is that Princess Kimberly and the Junta of Portugal under the Junta Reino de Portugal will attempt to destroy whats left of the strong but crumbling Paraguese Republic, and as a result should they be successful these will be the results:
-Portugal will take control of Paraguay which will go on to be the only surviving colony under European control as a result of the strict crackdowns that will be enforced on Spanish Catholics in Paraguay. It will retain the land it owns that connects it to the sea.
-As a result, the Incan Federation will cede itself to the Incan Empire (Uni) to protect itself from further encroachment by Portuguese Colonial troops.
>I believe this is a fare compromise, and there will be a more elaborate and sensible storyline, because saying (This new Portuguese Junta-Kingdom that's bouncing back from its losses in the Portuguese War (Between the Netherlands, Germany and Japan), and is taking a [small bit of SA] to be its colonies up into the 1900's and possibly to through half of the 20th century is more realistic than saying: Oh yeah, this Italian Kingdom which is taking more losses in terms of Colonial claims in Africa than Portugal is and never set foot in the Americas is going to colonize all of Southern South America in a wink of an eye). So I hope this storyline is more suited to your gentlemens' liking.

by Unicario » Sat May 17, 2014 8:49 pm

by Luziyca » Sat May 17, 2014 9:10 pm
Unicario wrote:Hmm, I don't have any necessarily strong objections, but I do note that the Western Hemisphere is a volatile place for colonizers.

by Unicario » Sat May 17, 2014 9:16 pm
Luziyca wrote:Unicario wrote:Hmm, I don't have any necessarily strong objections, but I do note that the Western Hemisphere is a volatile place for colonizers.
Exactly. But in the second RP, when the Great War occurs due to Guyana invading Amapa if it is still going on, I might plan on signing an agreement with Brazil that makes them cede all of their territories in the Guiana Shield and its outliers (plus a straight line extending from its southwesternmost point on that outlier to the Pacific) in exchange for allying with them to conquer the rest of South America, while we conquer territory north of the shield.
Yes, Guyane would attempt their own Napoleonic Wars, with British help, to take Central America and possibly North America, but leaving British possessions alone (meaning their ideal front line will end in Canada), while Guyane sets up a bunch of client states modelled on the Guyanese system while the Guianas (Suriname, Spanish and British Guiana, although the Spanish would likely be part of British Guiana by then and of course, Guyane) would form a federation on the Guiana shield (and the coast) comprising of five states who are in theory sovereign nations who agreed to join, but in practice are really unitary with only the British area (and Spanish Guiana should Britain take it over) remaining autonomous, while the rest take their orders from Pichegru.
Guyane may probably become a constitutional monarchy in 1890 after Queen Victoria visits Guyane and the National Assembly plus the President strip the powers of the President to be the head of government while the British monarch becomes Queen of Guyane, but in 1892, the National Assembly names her Empress. If we lose or it becomes a stalemate, the monarchy would likely be abolished, and a Socialist Revolution that reorganizes the government to make Guyane along the lines of the Nordic model.
I also can't help but notice that Britain and revolutionary France hated each other, yet in this RP, Britain and Guyane (basically revolutionary France prior to Napoleon) are close allies, although that is more due to how few trusted Guyane in the western hemisphere.

by Ruridova » Sat May 17, 2014 9:24 pm
Unicario wrote:Luziyca wrote:Exactly. But in the second RP, when the Great War occurs due to Guyana invading Amapa if it is still going on, I might plan on signing an agreement with Brazil that makes them cede all of their territories in the Guiana Shield and its outliers (plus a straight line extending from its southwesternmost point on that outlier to the Pacific) in exchange for allying with them to conquer the rest of South America, while we conquer territory north of the shield.
Yes, Guyane would attempt their own Napoleonic Wars, with British help, to take Central America and possibly North America, but leaving British possessions alone (meaning their ideal front line will end in Canada), while Guyane sets up a bunch of client states modelled on the Guyanese system while the Guianas (Suriname, Spanish and British Guiana, although the Spanish would likely be part of British Guiana by then and of course, Guyane) would form a federation on the Guiana shield (and the coast) comprising of five states who are in theory sovereign nations who agreed to join, but in practice are really unitary with only the British area (and Spanish Guiana should Britain take it over) remaining autonomous, while the rest take their orders from Pichegru.
Guyane may probably become a constitutional monarchy in 1890 after Queen Victoria visits Guyane and the National Assembly plus the President strip the powers of the President to be the head of government while the British monarch becomes Queen of Guyane, but in 1892, the National Assembly names her Empress. If we lose or it becomes a stalemate, the monarchy would likely be abolished, and a Socialist Revolution that reorganizes the government to make Guyane along the lines of the Nordic model.
I also can't help but notice that Britain and revolutionary France hated each other, yet in this RP, Britain and Guyane (basically revolutionary France prior to Napoleon) are close allies, although that is more due to how few trusted Guyane in the western hemisphere.
I don't see that panning out well for you, considering the Inca Empire and Netherlands are close allies (made closer by sodomite Kings) and would call upon the CSA to help beat the shit out of Guyana. You might even possibly force Japan and the CSA into an armistice to deal with the mutual threat of Guyana which could ruin CSA's influence in Americas, and Japan's trading partnership with the Inca.
Basically, Dutch Suriname would put up a hell of a fight, as would the Inca Empire (who has the advantage of horrible terrain to use to brutalize the Guyanese soldiers)

by Luziyca » Sat May 17, 2014 9:48 pm
Unicario wrote:Luziyca wrote:Exactly. But in the second RP, when the Great War occurs due to Guyana invading Amapa if it is still going on, I might plan on signing an agreement with Brazil that makes them cede all of their territories in the Guiana Shield and its outliers (plus a straight line extending from its southwesternmost point on that outlier to the Pacific) in exchange for allying with them to conquer the rest of South America, while we conquer territory north of the shield.
Yes, Guyane would attempt their own Napoleonic Wars, with British help, to take Central America and possibly North America, but leaving British possessions alone (meaning their ideal front line will end in Canada), while Guyane sets up a bunch of client states modelled on the Guyanese system while the Guianas (Suriname, Spanish and British Guiana, although the Spanish would likely be part of British Guiana by then and of course, Guyane) would form a federation on the Guiana shield (and the coast) comprising of five states who are in theory sovereign nations who agreed to join, but in practice are really unitary with only the British area (and Spanish Guiana should Britain take it over) remaining autonomous, while the rest take their orders from Pichegru.
Guyane may probably become a constitutional monarchy in 1890 after Queen Victoria visits Guyane and the National Assembly plus the President strip the powers of the President to be the head of government while the British monarch becomes Queen of Guyane, but in 1892, the National Assembly names her Empress. If we lose or it becomes a stalemate, the monarchy would likely be abolished, and a Socialist Revolution that reorganizes the government to make Guyane along the lines of the Nordic model.
I also can't help but notice that Britain and revolutionary France hated each other, yet in this RP, Britain and Guyane (basically revolutionary France prior to Napoleon) are close allies, although that is more due to how few trusted Guyane in the western hemisphere.
I don't see that panning out well for you, considering the Inca Empire and Netherlands are close allies (made closer by sodomite Kings) and would call upon the CSA to help beat the shit out of Guyana. You might even possibly force Japan and the CSA into an armistice to deal with the mutual threat of Guyana which could ruin CSA's influence in Americas, and Japan's trading partnership with the Inca.
Basically, Dutch Suriname would put up a hell of a fight, as would the Inca Empire (who has the advantage of horrible terrain to use to brutalize the Guyanese soldiers)
Ruridova wrote:Add to that the alliance between the CSA and Venezuela, the CSA's puppets, and the unofficial relations between the CSA and Germany, and thus the German-Hungarian Bloc.

by Ruridova » Sat May 17, 2014 9:50 pm
Luziyca wrote:Unicario wrote:
I don't see that panning out well for you, considering the Inca Empire and Netherlands are close allies (made closer by sodomite Kings) and would call upon the CSA to help beat the shit out of Guyana. You might even possibly force Japan and the CSA into an armistice to deal with the mutual threat of Guyana which could ruin CSA's influence in Americas, and Japan's trading partnership with the Inca.
Basically, Dutch Suriname would put up a hell of a fight, as would the Inca Empire (who has the advantage of horrible terrain to use to brutalize the Guyanese soldiers)
Oh crap.
I should probably make an agreement with the CSA and the Dutch to remain neutral while Guyana takes over RL Mexico, and tries set up shop in Central America, but not take over the Dutch Netherlands and the Incas (but sending troops to help Brazil do the job for us). Then after we stabilized Central America, we could then backstab the Dutch and the CSA and try and take over Suriname and the CSA respectively.Ruridova wrote:Add to that the alliance between the CSA and Venezuela, the CSA's puppets, and the unofficial relations between the CSA and Germany, and thus the German-Hungarian Bloc.
Don't forget China, as well. Heck, they'd be perfectly willing to try and set up shop in Japan's Pacific Islands except Hawaii and make an outer province with a Polynesian monarch for a few years before having them lose it in that treaty.

by Bojikami » Sat May 17, 2014 9:51 pm
Ruridova wrote:Luziyca wrote:Oh crap.
I should probably make an agreement with the CSA and the Dutch to remain neutral while Guyana takes over RL Mexico, and tries set up shop in Central America, but not take over the Dutch Netherlands and the Incas (but sending troops to help Brazil do the job for us). Then after we stabilized Central America, we could then backstab the Dutch and the CSA and try and take over Suriname and the CSA respectively.
Don't forget China, as well. Heck, they'd be perfectly willing to try and set up shop in Japan's Pacific Islands except Hawaii and make an outer province with a Polynesian monarch for a few years before having them lose it in that treaty.
The CSA is not going to remain neutral if the Guyanese invade its puppet states in Mexico. And if you set foot in a Confederate region of Mexico? Oh you are sooooo fucked.
Guyana is going the way of revolutionary France, Luz. It's imperial ambitions are going to see it ruined.

by Unicario » Sat May 17, 2014 9:53 pm

by Ruridova » Sat May 17, 2014 9:56 pm
Unicario wrote:A war against Japan will be nothing but ruin for China, I promise you.

by Unicario » Sat May 17, 2014 9:57 pm

by Unicario » Sat May 17, 2014 10:17 pm

by Luziyca » Sat May 17, 2014 10:18 pm
Unicario wrote:To be quite honest, a Sino-Japanese War would be a war of complete attrition, with Japanese naval supremacy. Japan wouldn't be able to make gains in China proper, and China wouldn't be able to break Japan completely. It'd end up being a fucking stalemate, and would only serve to radicalize Japan further and make it to where if Japan gets nuclear weapons, Target #1 is Beijing.
Unicario wrote:Also, Luz, what you did is a pretty good way to piss off the Brits. I don't know if a nation or monarch would be happy with someone basically deriding their brothers and sisters in basically every way. Victoria sure as hell wouldn't let someone talk shit about her nephew like that, and considering the Anglo-Japanese Alliance is old as fuck, you see my meaning.
Unicario wrote:And once more, I raise the point that why is my colonial empire always the one targeted by people's ambitions? What, do I have a fucking bullseye on my forehead? Jesus, everyone always goes "HEY UNI DON'T DO THAT THAT'S GREATER EAST ASIAN CO PROSPERITY SPHERE UR BIG ENUF STOP BEING GODMODDER" when China fucking conquers a whole plethora of land in what, fifty years, everyone ignores it. When Germany takes 90% of Africa, everyone ignores it.
Fucking tired of this shit, mate.

by Unicario » Sat May 17, 2014 10:21 pm
Luziyca wrote:Unicario wrote:To be quite honest, a Sino-Japanese War would be a war of complete attrition, with Japanese naval supremacy. Japan wouldn't be able to make gains in China proper, and China wouldn't be able to break Japan completely. It'd end up being a fucking stalemate, and would only serve to radicalize Japan further and make it to where if Japan gets nuclear weapons, Target #1 is Beijing.
Understood.Unicario wrote:Also, Luz, what you did is a pretty good way to piss off the Brits. I don't know if a nation or monarch would be happy with someone basically deriding their brothers and sisters in basically every way. Victoria sure as hell wouldn't let someone talk shit about her nephew like that, and considering the Anglo-Japanese Alliance is old as fuck, you see my meaning.
I understand why. Let's just say his "apology" won't be received positively in Japan at best, and at worst, preparing for war.Unicario wrote:And once more, I raise the point that why is my colonial empire always the one targeted by people's ambitions? What, do I have a fucking bullseye on my forehead? Jesus, everyone always goes "HEY UNI DON'T DO THAT THAT'S GREATER EAST ASIAN CO PROSPERITY SPHERE UR BIG ENUF STOP BEING GODMODDER" when China fucking conquers a whole plethora of land in what, fifty years, everyone ignores it. When Germany takes 90% of Africa, everyone ignores it.
Fucking tired of this shit, mate.
Well, it's more because your colonial Empire would last into the present day. Mine would be gone in 125 years between its rise and fall, and instead replaced by a British Commonwealth organization with a common currency until the Asians adopt a common currency, comprising of China, Central Asia, Kenya and the Maldives.

by Unicario » Sat May 17, 2014 10:25 pm

by Luziyca » Sat May 17, 2014 10:36 pm
Unicario wrote:Luziyca wrote:Understood.
I understand why. Let's just say his "apology" won't be received positively in Japan at best, and at worst, preparing for war.
Well, it's more because your colonial Empire would last into the present day. Mine would be gone in 125 years between its rise and fall, and instead replaced by a British Commonwealth organization with a common currency until the Asians adopt a common currency, comprising of China, Central Asia, Kenya and the Maldives.
I've repeatedly stated my colonial empire will devolve into a British Commonwealth-type system, except for Taiwan and Korea, which are close enough to Japan to justify them staying as members of the Empire. >_>

by Luziyca » Sat May 17, 2014 11:35 pm

by The Vaktovian Empire » Sun May 18, 2014 7:02 am

by Unicario » Sun May 18, 2014 7:20 am
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:Has the telephone already been invented in this RP?

by The Vaktovian Empire » Mon May 19, 2014 6:57 pm
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