AWWA Part II-The Second Thirty Years War(OOC)

[Ruridova]

BTW, Luz, if you want to create a Guyanese union, and if the plan is to use this as the base for next RP, part of Venezuela was known as Spanish Guyana.

If Guyana attacked Venezuela, it would bring the CSA into the war immiediately, not just through a convoluted 'we must screw with the British' scenario.

[Ruridova]

OK figured out how to do the resolution on DeviantArt correctly. Updated all of my changes on your resolutioned map Uni
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No. Afghanistan is unclaimed and there's no feasible way for you to recolonize America. Uni's map gets my endorsement.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

OK figured out how to do the resolution on DeviantArt correctly. Updated all of my changes on your resolutioned map Uni
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No. Afghanistan is unclaimed and there's no feasible way for you to recolonize America. Uni's map gets my endorsement.

What do you mean Afghanistan is unclaimed. I control it, and did control it. It's partitioned now. And I will say it again, I am not recolonizing
America, because those were already my territories under independent governments.

[Ruridova]

No. Afghanistan is unclaimed and there's no feasible way for you to recolonize America. Uni's map gets my endorsement.

What do you mean Afghanistan is unclaimed. I control it, and did control it. It's partitioned now. And I will say it again, I am not recolonizing
America, because those were already my territories under independent governments.

You have to lose control of Persia and Afghanistan. It's insane for you to control those. In addition, you never controlled the areas of the Americas you claim. Those were independent nations, and you can't claim them as Italy or Spain excluding Alien Space Bats or Deus ex Machina. You don't control them. You'd have to invade and conquer them in an era where America was being de colonized. You are recolonizing.

[Unicario]

Afghanistan and Persia are not the same on my map. They're both neutral, one's a Shahdom/Sultanate, the other's an Emirate.

[Unicario]

How could Italy *possibly* have that kind of power projection? She lost *everything* (Malta, Ithaca, Africa, etc.)

Yes, but if you were coming, maybe not if I were Ep, but I wouldn't bother fighting. You're a regional power. As such, my armies would pull back to Italia itself, and now I have a surplus of troops. Sure I lost everything, but I have still have Sicily, Corsica, and Sardinia which I will establish as major Naval bases. Also, does Jerusalem want the Vatican??? Cause King Cadorna XI, although a devout Catholic, sure as hell does not. Or maybe Japan would like it? The Dutch?

...Are you seriously saying you'd give the Papal States over to the Turks!? That'd make every Catholic country HATE Italy.

[Ruridova]

Yes, but if you were coming, maybe not if I were Ep, but I wouldn't bother fighting. You're a regional power. As such, my armies would pull back to Italia itself, and now I have a surplus of troops. Sure I lost everything, but I have still have Sicily, Corsica, and Sardinia which I will establish as major Naval bases. Also, does Jerusalem want the Vatican??? Cause King Cadorna XI, although a devout Catholic, sure as hell does not. Or maybe Japan would like it? The Dutch?

...Are you seriously saying you'd give the Papal States over to the Turks!? That'd make every Catholic country HATE Italy.

If the Protestants got it there'd probably be some religious wars in Europe and the Americas.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Yes, but if you were coming, maybe not if I were Ep, but I wouldn't bother fighting. You're a regional power. As such, my armies would pull back to Italia itself, and now I have a surplus of troops. Sure I lost everything, but I have still have Sicily, Corsica, and Sardinia which I will establish as major Naval bases. Also, does Jerusalem want the Vatican??? Cause King Cadorna XI, although a devout Catholic, sure as hell does not. Or maybe Japan would like it? The Dutch?

...Are you seriously saying you'd give the Papal States over to the Turks!? That'd make every Catholic country HATE Italy.

The Italian King simply doesn't want the Vatican in Rome, because he feels Italy is too much of a country that could be ripe for civil war or conquest by foreign entities. Also, Ruri I did control those.

[Unicario]

...Are you seriously saying you'd give the Papal States over to the Turks!? That'd make every Catholic country HATE Italy.

The Italian King simply doesn't want the Vatican in Rome, because he feels Italy is too much of a country that could be ripe for civil war or conquest by foreign entities. Also, Ruri I did control those.

But you'd be expelling the Pope from Italy. That's heresy. :|

Go ahead and do it if you'd like but... you know, it'd have grave repercussions.

[Ruridova]

...Are you seriously saying you'd give the Papal States over to the Turks!? That'd make every Catholic country HATE Italy.

The Italian King simply doesn't want the Vatican in Rome, because he feels Italy is too much of a country that could be ripe for civil war or conquest by foreign entities. Also, Ruri I did control those.

Not as Italy. Either way, for Italy to conquer them is totally and utterly ridiculous.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

The Italian King simply doesn't want the Vatican in Rome, because he feels Italy is too much of a country that could be ripe for civil war or conquest by foreign entities. Also, Ruri I did control those.

Not as Italy. Either way, for Italy to conquer them is totally and utterly ridiculous.

No as a sect of Spanish Catholics who were being tortured and reconciled in Andalusia. As I explained, a few are going to get away to Italy, and at first are going to convince the king to have Italy act as the "Spain they never had" to help control the territories, since Paraguay and the Federation were never looking to stay independent, they were looking to join with the Spaniards once they took control of Portugal or Andalusia Sovereign (Both of which utterly failed). As such, the Paraguese and Incans would join as this was their original plan from the beginning, but the Italians, after returning the Spaniards who escaped Portugal by boats back to the Andalusians or Portuguese( The Andalusians would likely kill them or send them back into Portugal), (The Portuguese would simply send them to one of many POW Camps established outside some of their main cities excluding those still suffering from large amounts of fighting in the North. After this, the Paraguese and Federation would fight back for Italy's betrayal, but by then it would be too late. Italian troops would already be somewhat in the territory as per the charter they sign with the Spaniards (Who as already said get turned on). Italy (With a vast retreated force from Africa which suffered few casualties due to the Italians realizing the Turks were coming, and decided to put up less of a fight, and Italy pretty much giving away Northwest Africa as French culture and doctrine was spreading in from French Algeria, the Italians have a large amount of armies. They will engulf in a possible 1-2 year civil war, dealing with both the official Paraguese Military and that of the Federation, as well as Guerrilla Units hiding in jungle areas. As in every Civil War, the Italians will have a vast amount of both the civilian and military population on their side due to both money, doctrine, and being the home to the Catholic church (As most if not all of both Paraguay and the Federation are Catholic Pilgrims or converted Catholics). Those who don't believe in strongly for the control of Italian power will fight, as well as civilians putting up a harsh fight in both protests and guerrilla warfare as well. So no, it's not impossible. Will it cost deaths on both sides? Yes. Will it be a long and drawn out conflict? Yes. Am I just supposed to say: "OK, we killed the people you were originally going to join with after they won an independent state in Europe and the rest are either POW's or getting shot at in the Northernmost regions of Portugal, but we're just going to waltz right in here with no casualties, no rebellion, and no dislike for what we've done and just take over? No. So, I am playing this realistically. Only, as I did in fact control the Federation and Paraguay, since few posts were made, and originally I was planning on them being under-developed without foreign help from the Spaniards, let's think just how badly things are right now for them in terms of the fact that the Spaniards are all either imprisoned, dead, or getting attacked in North Portugal, well besides the ones who were smart and even though they were Catholic decided not to make themselves identified by the Andalusian Government by praying peacefully and quietly in their own homes or without plans for rebellion in church. As for Persia and Afghanistan, if I can't have that secular concept where Afghanistan is divided up, I plan to have Persia become Zionist/Andalite Islamic, only like I said Nationalist and not wanting to retain close with or even under Andalusia's reigns, and will control the Western part of Afghanistan. Since originally, before it was conquered (For a period of a few short years) by Andalusia it was a Christian state, Kabul and the surrounding area will retain a dying but still fluctuating government and will attempt to stay out of control by Persia's grasp. The North will remain under my control as well, but it will be non-Andalite Muslim and mostly Shiite as well as Buddhist. It will be China-leaning. So, no, I've changed the partition so Andalusia has not control in Afghanistan or Persia.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

The Italian King simply doesn't want the Vatican in Rome, because he feels Italy is too much of a country that could be ripe for civil war or conquest by foreign entities. Also, Ruri I did control those.

But you'd be expelling the Pope from Italy. That's heresy. :|

Go ahead and do it if you'd like but... you know, it'd have grave repercussions.

Well, the King is comfortable, even though he's a devout Christian and Catholic, he doesn't want the pope in his country.

[Luziyca]

BTW, Luz, if you want to create a Guyanese union, and if the plan is to use this as the base for next RP, part of Venezuela was known as Spanish Guyana.
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If Guyana attacked Venezuela, it would bring the CSA into the war immiediately, not just through a convoluted 'we must screw with the British' scenario.

If I recall correctly, Britain will conquer Venezuela and perhaps incorporate it into the Condominium.

[Ruridova]

BTW, Luz, if you want to create a Guyanese union, and if the plan is to use this as the base for next RP, part of Venezuela was known as Spanish Guyana.
(Image)
If Guyana attacked Venezuela, it would bring the CSA into the war immiediately, not just through a convoluted 'we must screw with the British' scenario.

If I recall correctly, Britain will conquer Venezuela and perhaps incorporate it into the Condominium.

If you win. The plan is a stalemate.

Not as Italy. Either way, for Italy to conquer them is totally and utterly ridiculous.

No as a sect of Spanish Catholics who were being tortured and reconciled in Andalusia. As I explained, a few are going to get away to Italy, and at first are going to convince the king to have Italy act as the "Spain they never had" to help control the territories, since Paraguay and the Federation were never looking to stay independent, they were looking to join with the Spaniards once they took control of Portugal or Andalusia Sovereign (Both of which utterly failed). As such, the Paraguese and Incans would join as this was their original plan from the beginning, but the Italians, after returning the Spaniards who escaped Portugal by boats back to the Andalusians or Portuguese( The Andalusians would likely kill them or send them back into Portugal), (The Portuguese would simply send them to one of many POW Camps established outside some of their main cities excluding those still suffering from large amounts of fighting in the North. After this, the Paraguese and Federation would fight back for Italy's betrayal, but by then it would be too late. Italian troops would already be somewhat in the territory as per the charter they sign with the Spaniards (Who as already said get turned on). Italy (With a vast retreated force from Africa which suffered few casualties due to the Italians realizing the Turks were coming, and decided to put up less of a fight, and Italy pretty much giving away Northwest Africa as French culture and doctrine was spreading in from French Algeria, the Italians have a large amount of armies. They will engulf in a possible 1-2 year civil war, dealing with both the official Paraguese Military and that of the Federation, as well as Guerrilla Units hiding in jungle areas. As in every Civil War, the Italians will have a vast amount of both the civilian and military population on their side due to both money, doctrine, and being the home to the Catholic church (As most if not all of both Paraguay and the Federation are Catholic Pilgrims or converted Catholics). Those who don't believe in strongly for the control of Italian power will fight, as well as civilians putting up a harsh fight in both protests and guerrilla warfare as well. So no, it's not impossible. Will it cost deaths on both sides? Yes. Will it be a long and drawn out conflict? Yes. Am I just supposed to say: "OK, we killed the people you were originally going to join with after they won an independent state in Europe and the rest are either POW's or getting shot at in the Northernmost regions of Portugal, but we're just going to waltz right in here with no casualties, no rebellion, and no dislike for what we've done and just take over? No. So, I am playing this realistically. Only, as I did in fact control the Federation and Paraguay, since few posts were made, and originally I was planning on them being under-developed without foreign help from the Spaniards, let's think just how badly things are right now for them in terms of the fact that the Spaniards are all either imprisoned, dead, or getting attacked in North Portugal, well besides the ones who were smart and even though they were Catholic decided not to make themselves identified by the Andalusian Government by praying peacefully and quietly in their own homes or without plans for rebellion in church. As for Persia and Afghanistan, if I can't have that secular concept where Afghanistan is divided up, I plan to have Persia become Zionist/Andalite Islamic, only like I said Nationalist and not wanting to retain close with or even under Andalusia's reigns, and will control the Western part of Afghanistan. Since originally, before it was conquered (For a period of a few short years) by Andalusia it was a Christian state, Kabul and the surrounding area will retain a dying but still fluctuating government and will attempt to stay out of control by Persia's grasp. The North will remain under my control as well, but it will be non-Andalite Muslim and mostly Shiite as well as Buddhist. It will be China-leaning. So, no, I've changed the partition so Andalusia has not control in Afghanistan or Persia.

GIVE UP ON TRYING TO RECOLONIZE SOUTH AMERICA. IT IS IRREALISTIC AND FOOLISH. GIVE UP ON RETAINING AFGHANISTAN AND PERSIA. BE REALISTIC FOR GOD'S SAKE.

[Luziyca]

If I recall correctly, Britain will conquer Venezuela and perhaps incorporate it into the Condominium.

If you win. The plan is a stalemate.

No as a sect of Spanish Catholics who were being tortured and reconciled in Andalusia. As I explained, a few are going to get away to Italy, and at first are going to convince the king to have Italy act as the "Spain they never had" to help control the territories, since Paraguay and the Federation were never looking to stay independent, they were looking to join with the Spaniards once they took control of Portugal or Andalusia Sovereign (Both of which utterly failed). As such, the Paraguese and Incans would join as this was their original plan from the beginning, but the Italians, after returning the Spaniards who escaped Portugal by boats back to the Andalusians or Portuguese( The Andalusians would likely kill them or send them back into Portugal), (The Portuguese would simply send them to one of many POW Camps established outside some of their main cities excluding those still suffering from large amounts of fighting in the North. After this, the Paraguese and Federation would fight back for Italy's betrayal, but by then it would be too late. Italian troops would already be somewhat in the territory as per the charter they sign with the Spaniards (Who as already said get turned on). Italy (With a vast retreated force from Africa which suffered few casualties due to the Italians realizing the Turks were coming, and decided to put up less of a fight, and Italy pretty much giving away Northwest Africa as French culture and doctrine was spreading in from French Algeria, the Italians have a large amount of armies. They will engulf in a possible 1-2 year civil war, dealing with both the official Paraguese Military and that of the Federation, as well as Guerrilla Units hiding in jungle areas. As in every Civil War, the Italians will have a vast amount of both the civilian and military population on their side due to both money, doctrine, and being the home to the Catholic church (As most if not all of both Paraguay and the Federation are Catholic Pilgrims or converted Catholics). Those who don't believe in strongly for the control of Italian power will fight, as well as civilians putting up a harsh fight in both protests and guerrilla warfare as well. So no, it's not impossible. Will it cost deaths on both sides? Yes. Will it be a long and drawn out conflict? Yes. Am I just supposed to say: "OK, we killed the people you were originally going to join with after they won an independent state in Europe and the rest are either POW's or getting shot at in the Northernmost regions of Portugal, but we're just going to waltz right in here with no casualties, no rebellion, and no dislike for what we've done and just take over? No. So, I am playing this realistically. Only, as I did in fact control the Federation and Paraguay, since few posts were made, and originally I was planning on them being under-developed without foreign help from the Spaniards, let's think just how badly things are right now for them in terms of the fact that the Spaniards are all either imprisoned, dead, or getting attacked in North Portugal, well besides the ones who were smart and even though they were Catholic decided not to make themselves identified by the Andalusian Government by praying peacefully and quietly in their own homes or without plans for rebellion in church. As for Persia and Afghanistan, if I can't have that secular concept where Afghanistan is divided up, I plan to have Persia become Zionist/Andalite Islamic, only like I said Nationalist and not wanting to retain close with or even under Andalusia's reigns, and will control the Western part of Afghanistan. Since originally, before it was conquered (For a period of a few short years) by Andalusia it was a Christian state, Kabul and the surrounding area will retain a dying but still fluctuating government and will attempt to stay out of control by Persia's grasp. The North will remain under my control as well, but it will be non-Andalite Muslim and mostly Shiite as well as Buddhist. It will be China-leaning. So, no, I've changed the partition so Andalusia has not control in Afghanistan or Persia.

GIVE UP ON TRYING TO RECOLONIZE SOUTH AMERICA. IT IS IRREALISTIC AND FOOLISH. GIVE UP ON RETAINING AFGHANISTAN AND PERSIA. BE REALISTIC FOR GOD'S SAKE.

How about we expel Vak from this RP and let someone else take over?

[Shrillland]

BTW, Luz, if you want to create a Guyanese union, and if the plan is to use this as the base for next RP, part of Venezuela was known as Spanish Guyana.
(Image)
If Guyana attacked Venezuela, it would bring the CSA into the war immiediately, not just through a convoluted 'we must screw with the British' scenario.

If I recall correctly, Britain will conquer Venezuela and perhaps incorporate it into the Condominium.

Whoa, I never said I was going to conquer Venezuela. Actually, I was planning on a stalemate, though I might add Spanish Guiana into the condominium.

[Shrillland]

Vak, drop the re-colonisation and the unrealistic expulsion of the Vatican or I will free up your territories for the use of others.

And to everyone else, I will get to making an IC post in the next few days at the latest. As Iv'e said, I've got some pretty heavy things going on in my personal life at the moment, so I won't be as fast as I should be.

[Luziyca]

If I recall correctly, Britain will conquer Venezuela and perhaps incorporate it into the Condominium.

Whoa, I never said I was going to conquer Venezuela. Actually, I was planning on a stalemate, though I might add Spanish Guiana into the condominium.

Oh, okay. I might also add Amapa if we win that war. And if Suriname sides the CSA, we can try and take that.

[Ruridova]

Whoa, I never said I was going to conquer Venezuela. Actually, I was planning on a stalemate, though I might add Spanish Guiana into the condominium.

Oh, okay. I might also add Amapa if we win that war. And if Suriname sides the CSA, we can try and take that.

Again, current plan is a stalemate.

[Luziyca]

Oh, okay. I might also add Amapa if we win that war. And if Suriname sides the CSA, we can try and take that.

Again, current plan is a stalemate.

For that CSA war, yeah.

[Ruridova]

Again, current plan is a stalemate.

For that CSA war, yeah.

They're not separate wars. The CS-UK War, CS-Japan War, Czechoslovakian Rebellion, Guyanese wars of conquest, any Yugoslav-Turkish Wars, any fratricidal Inca wars- they'll be really just different fronts of one war. The next RP will quite simply be an alt-history version of World War One two decades early.

[Luziyca]

For that CSA war, yeah.

They're not separate wars. The CS-UK War, CS-Japan War, Czechoslovakian Rebellion, Guyanese wars of conquest, any Yugoslav-Turkish Wars, any fratricidal Inca wars- they'll be really just different fronts of one war. The next RP will quite simply be an alt-history version of World War One two decades early.

Okay.

Anyways, China and Japan will have a later war in the early 1900s over definitely Korea, maybe Taiwan and Sakhalin. But China may either side with the CSA or declare neutrality and possibly have a peace treaty in Lhasa (everyone sees it as China and all the Outer Provinces save for their possessions in Central Asia, Africa and the Indian Ocean was essentially incorporated into China, only keeping their monarchs).

[Unicario]

They're not separate wars. The CS-UK War, CS-Japan War, Czechoslovakian Rebellion, Guyanese wars of conquest, any Yugoslav-Turkish Wars, any fratricidal Inca wars- they'll be really just different fronts of one war. The next RP will quite simply be an alt-history version of World War One two decades early.

Okay.

Anyways, China and Japan will have a later war in the early 1900s over definitely Korea, maybe Taiwan and Sakhalin. But China may either side with the CSA or declare neutrality and possibly have a peace treaty in Lhasa (everyone sees it as China and all the Outer Provinces save for their possessions in Central Asia, Africa and the Indian Ocean was essentially incorporated into China, only keeping their monarchs).

The China-Japan War would be after the end of the CS-Japan War (like, 20 years after).

[Luziyca]

Okay.

Anyways, China and Japan will have a later war in the early 1900s over definitely Korea, maybe Taiwan and Sakhalin. But China may either side with the CSA or declare neutrality and possibly have a peace treaty in Lhasa (everyone sees it as China and all the Outer Provinces save for their possessions in Central Asia, Africa and the Indian Ocean was essentially incorporated into China, only keeping their monarchs).

The China-Japan War would be after the end of the CS-Japan War (like, 20 years after).

Yep. We may probably side with the CS to try and carve out some land in the Pacific. But we'd likely be neutral.

[Unicario]

The China-Japan War would be after the end of the CS-Japan War (like, 20 years after).

Yep. We may probably side with the CS to try and carve out some land in the Pacific. But we'd likely be neutral.

Just know that China will not get anything in a peace treaty. The Treaty of Shimonoseki will be basically status quo ante bellum with the CSA gaining Hawaii and that's it.