AWWA Part II-The Second Thirty Years War(OOC)

[Ruridova]

Does Spain still control Central America? I want to have a United Republic of Central America.

It's unclaimed IIRC.

What? Guyana is just a geographic term, there is no history of a unified Guyana. Any unified Guyana would face ethnic and religious troubles and would ultimately work out terribly save Deus ex Machina.

Besides, the American nations would never allow any British conquest of Brazil. As long as Guyana remains in collusion with the British, and in all likelihood in any scenario, the American nations would not allow a Guyanese conquest of Brazil, or 'Portuguese Guyana'.

Nah, just Amapa. We'd let the British take care of the rest.

Also, it'd be like the EU. But if it got like Yugoslavia, their separation would make Yugoslavia's look peaceful and orderly.

The current plan is a stalemate, which means no Greater Guyana or British Brazil. Do remember that siding with the British puts you against a First American Coalition.

[Unicario]

NS nation: Unicario
Nation you wish to take: United Republic of Central America
Leader: President Aarón Puentes-Corchero
Colonies(where applicable): N/A
Population: 3million
History: A violent revolution at the end of the Napoleonic War established the sovereignity of the United Republic of Central America, which spans from Guatemala down to Costa Rica. The URCA was declared on April 1, 1815 under the leadership of President Alberto Ramos. The little democracy soon slid into a dictatorship after a short civil war in Nicaragua. Ramos was named President for Life by the United Senate, and became an absolute dictator. He died in 1832, leaving power to his political heir, the Deputy-President of the State, Aarón Puentes-Corchero.

President Puentes-Corchero has the goal of re-establishing the democracy in small doses, but retaining as much power for himself. He wishes to build a canal through Nicaragua, hoping it would turn the URCA into a major influence in international politics.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Andalusia will be losing central America because well, riots. It will retain all colonies in Africa (Just Morroco) and everything in the Middle East it already controls (including Afghanistan and Persia) Afghanistan will potentially be a problem, because its made up of Christians, Muslims, Chinese-influenced religions, and andalite Islam (andalusian Islam). The ottoman empire will have a harder time controlling their territory, but Andalusia has pushed most of the non-andalite Muslims into ottoman territory, making sure there's not as much as a rise to nationalism. The only reason Italy will get Paraguay and the incantation Federation is for a few reasons. 1. Is that the incantation Federation is very weak in structure and relies on paraguese goods and supplies to keep it running. If the Italians took out Paraguay, they'd easily take the incan Federation. The second reason is invasion might not be necessary. Most people in both the Federation and paraguese republic are Catholic Spaniards and incans, and when the Spaniard Catholics who make it to Italy (few but enough) King Cadorna of Italy will convince the paraguese and incans that he will remain a Catholic country (even though he wishes to move the Vatican out of Italy even though hes a devout Catholic) they will likely become a dominion of Italy. This is because so many people will have died from Andalusia (in terms of executions and sending most of the more rebellious and open minded Spanish Catholics to die in trenches fighting the Portuguese armies, they will agree becoming a dominion of Italy will be safer than faring alone. These are the only two that will fully remain colonized in SA and since they're so undeveloped and unstable as it is, the CSA should be thankful. If not, well have to settle this ICly, but France will not expand and will likely lose Haiti (as I plan to have the Dominican republic eventually go independent and then fight French colonial forces in the early 1900s or 1890s. They will likely retain Madagascar. Russia wont expand hut will likely retain Finland. And so in the end by the time we get to the 1900s I will have Italy (withe Southern SA colonies only retained for the reasons ive given above.) Russia (which might have a confrontation with China over expansion into Kazakhstan, but that's not really a Colony). France (which will only retain Madagascar). Andalusia (retaining everything but centralizada [central America]). Portugal (which will lose the Dominican republic, should it retain power against the Catholic Spaniards, but will retain the Azores, where andalusia will retain all islands south of that. Afghanistan (taken over by Andalusia but will suffer the fate of the IRL Afghanistan in which religious war will take place and terrorists and jihadists will arrive for both the Christians stranded there and the Sunni, Shiite, Zionists, and andalite Muslims (who control it since Andalite Islam is the andalusian sect of Islam)) . Then, the Dominican republic will be Haiti and the dominican republic ruled by a dictatorship.
If I allowed to keep Andalusia and Italy's colonies and futures planned out as I do accordingly, I promise by my heart I will not expand further.

[Unicario]

See one post above. Central America is independent. There is no reason why any European colonies should exist in South America by 1900 (save the Guyana/Guiane/Suriname)

I think the Inca and CSA have some words for Italy if it tries to colonize S.America.

[Luziyca]

See one post above. Central America is independent. There is no reason why any European colonies should exist in South America by 1900 (save the Guyana/Guiane/Suriname)

I think the Inca and CSA have some words for Italy if it tries to colonize S.America.

Even Guiane would have some words as they take your colony and use it as a springboard to try and start a French Revolution in Italy.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

See one post above. Central America is independent. There is no reason why any European colonies should exist in South America by 1900 (save the Guyana/Guiane/Suriname)

I think the Inca and CSA have some words for Italy if it tries to colonize S.America.

Go ahead. I am trying to compromise. But hey I'm not mad. Well just have heavy tensions between the CSA and Inca. Also, have you already taken my colonies from Italy?

[The Vaktovian Empire]

I'll be dropping the Algerian Empire, as they are officially conquered in future segments of the IC very soon, and am going to fill out an app for Italy. Afghanistan is going to get taken by the Andalusians, and I have a plan for how since the Italians were taken everything in Africa and the Middle East, and the Spaniards are under attack and can't leave Andalusia Sovereign, some of the Spaniards are able to get away and make it to Italy by sailing, and under guidance by the Italian Government, they will make Paraguay and the Incan Federation sovereign Italian, as well as attempt to take the Dominican Republic from Portugal possibly later on. Those Spaniards that do not escape Portuguese lands and make it to Italy will be in for a Syrian-like conflict of the 1800's, only on a much longer and larger scale, and a backbone of supplies and supporters to last for decades against the Portuguese Military. The Spaniards who go to Italy will then possibly either be jailed or sent to Andalusia since they escaped Portugal sneakingly. Or they'll be brought before Queen Bitch Kimberly Valente of the Junta Kingdom of Portugal, if the Italians are feeling like making an ally instead of creating tensions with Portugal once they gain some land. So, Kingdom of Italy, here we come....

NS nation: The Vaktovian Empire
Nation you wish to take: Italy
Leader: King Cadorna XI, cousin of the late Re Charles Albert
Colonies(where applicable): Former in Libya and North Africa, Planned Colonies (At least OOCly) in South America.
Population: 20 million
Brief History since part 1(this only applies to alumni): Italian Empire collapses; Turks seize Libya and Tunis, France seizes Upper West Africa, Germany grabs Chad and the Coastal Regions (sans one region which goes to Britain). After this, the late Charles Albert dies a few days later of a heart attack. On September 3rd, 1838, King Cadorna XI, cousin of Charles Albert, will be christened as King of the Kingdom of Italy. He will be the first Roman-style King of Italy since late Papal times. He will relate much to the Catholic church, and attempt to move the Vatican off of Roman lands, for the sake of instability of the region of Europe. He will recommend it be moved to Jerusalem or even Avignon than Italy. He will attempt to create a Roman-esque style Army that revolves around Medium-weight armor and red underclothing, as well as Legionnaire like helmets, and will also attempt to remove the country out of debt (Suffering after collapse of African colonies). As well as this, what is said above comes into place as well. The Italian Kingdom is planned to last through the 19th century, and hopefully quite long into the 20th. Cadorna will be a Catholic, but will insist the church be moved out of Italy, since he honestly tells the world (He doesn't trust he himself won't do something stupid. And that, should military action be necessary to be brought against the Kingdom itself or a coup that takes place, he would hate to see the Vatican burn with Rome). As such, he recommend it be moved somewhere in Palestine, Africa, Northern Europe, Britain, or a centralized HQ of the Catholic Church become decentralized and each country having their own Headquarters, or even regional headquarters for each continent or continental region.

Um, mind if China takes southern Turkmenistan, leaving Andalusia in charge of OTL Afghanistan (except maybe we could take the Wakhan Corridor, though not as needed as southern Turkmenistan)?

Nope. Doesn't matter to me.

[Ruridova]

See one post above. Central America is independent. There is no reason why any European colonies should exist in South America by 1900 (save the Guyana/Guiane/Suriname)

I think the Inca and CSA have some words for Italy if it tries to colonize S.America.

Go ahead. I am trying to compromise. But hey I'm not mad. Well just have heavy tensions between the CSA and Inca. Also, have you already taken my colonies from Italy?

The CSA and the Inca are less interested in fighting each other and more in expelling foreign countries from the Americas. Italy has been stripped of its colonies.And it's irrealistic for Spain to retain control of control Persia and Afghanistan at the least.

[Unicario]

Vak, it's nothing personal, it's just that you're pursuing lines of interest that are very unrealistic and would be nigh impossible in a post-1776 world.

[Luziyca]

Um, mind if China takes southern Turkmenistan, leaving Andalusia in charge of OTL Afghanistan (except maybe we could take the Wakhan Corridor, though not as needed as southern Turkmenistan)?

Nope. Doesn't matter to me.

Thanks. *takes southern RL Turkmenistan and the Wakhan corridor*

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Vak, it's nothing personal, it's just that you're pursuing lines of interest that are very unrealistic and would be nigh impossible in a post-1776 world.

So what, I have to RP even more governments than I have now?????
I guess I could do that. IDK. Any way we could compromise? It's just like with Japan and how you're going to have a Empire even in the late 1900's. Besides that, Italy wouldn't be controlling much. Also, France would be allowed to keep N. Africa right into the 1900's correct? I mean, if Italy is allowed to control Southern S. America, they'd not expand. Let's be realistic also. I did in fact invent Paraguay and the Incan Federation's entire government system and religion based around Catholicism. Since the CSA is somewhat Mormon, they'd be dissatisfied with them butting heads with Italy, who for a good 40 years would be helping them (By the time the 1890's role around). Plus, the Incan Federation doesn't exactly like your Inca Empire, from what I've said in other posts. Plus both are poor countries by themselves, but don't exactly like the North. Each believes becoming allies with the CSA is reflected poorly with Europe and the UK, since France supports the UK, Andalus partially supports both, and Russia supports the UK as well. Andalus would I agree have a hard time controlling Afghanistan and Persia, but I would ask Arabia be allowed, since Riyadh is the religious capital for Andalite Muslims instead of regarding Mecca and Medina as holy cities, as previously described as part of Andalite Doctrine. Anyway, I'd go as far as making Afghanistan and Persia into a different entity as long as it was controlled by me. Italy I must be allowed to have what I solemnly control as Paraguay and Incan Federation, under my control. After all, if it was an NPC, I'd understand, but I did in fact invent Paraguay and the Incan Federation's backgrounds and governments and such.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

OK. Here are the maps. The first shows the transition of Andalusian control of Afghanistan following the collapse of the centralized Christian Government in Kabul. It also shows what happens when Italy takes Paraguay and the Federation. Portugal also retains the Azores from the Andalusians which they didn't really control in the first place.
map 1

The second map illustrates what happens when Andalusia loses control of Persia (Becomes the Persian Empire which is purely Andalite but with Persian Nationalism). And what happens when the decentralized struggle which is the reason Andalusia attempted to take control of Afghanistan fails, and Andalusia ends up retaining Western Afghanistan, the Sunni and Shiite Muslims retain North Afghanistan, and the Catholics retain the Christian Republic of Nuristan (Eastern Afghanistan). It also shows what happens when whatever date arises that the Dominican Republic rebels against Portugal and invades French Haiti, establishing the Dictatorship of the Dominican Republic. So in the end, I will have 9 different nations. That's a new record.
map 2

[Shrillland]

Well, after reading so many posts, I have a few things to say.

1. The two apps are accepted and I'll get them on our roster as soon as possible.

2. As for longball, I'll try to get rosters for all of Britain's major regions at the time, though I don't think Britain itself or India will play, simply because of how much it would have to compete with cricket.

3. I see a good casus belli for the 1890s with what Luz is suggesting.

[Luziyca]

OK. Here are the maps. The first shows the transition of Andalusian control of Afghanistan following the collapse of the centralized Christian Government in Kabul. It also shows what happens when Italy takes Paraguay and the Federation. Portugal also retains the Azores from the Andalusians which they didn't really control in the first place.
map 1

The second map illustrates what happens when Andalusia loses control of Persia (Becomes the Persian Empire which is purely Andalite but with Persian Nationalism). And what happens when the decentralized struggle which is the reason Andalusia attempted to take control of Afghanistan fails, and Andalusia ends up retaining Western Afghanistan, the Sunni and Shiite Muslims retain North Afghanistan, and the Catholics retain the Christian Republic of Nuristan (Eastern Afghanistan). It also shows what happens when whatever date arises that the Dominican Republic rebels against Portugal and invades French Haiti, establishing the Dictatorship of the Dominican Republic. So in the end, I will have 9 different nations. That's a new record.
map 2

Also, since when was Guyana Chinese? But yes, map 2 is the best.

As for your bit of Kazakhstan, we'll only take that in 1990 (well, a sovereign Kazakhstan).

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Map 2

Map 2 updated.

[Unicario]

Map 2

Map 2 updated.

no, that looks abhorrent (the resolution is absolute crap).

[Ruridova]

Vak, just no. You will not 'recolonize' the Americas. To do so is utterly ridiculous.

[Unicario]

Will be posting a new map shortly.

[Unicario]

Much better.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Vak, just no. You will not 'recolonize' the Americas. To do so is utterly ridiculous.

I am not colonizing anything. Paraguay and Incan Federation were never really independent anyway. They had been getting support from the former Kingdom of Portugal, and were really puppet states for the Spaniard Catholics in Andalusia who were trying to escape and also take control of Madrid to rule them from. In essence, I am simply changing the controller of these "Sub-colonies" by having a group of Spaniards in Portugal be lucky to escape by boat and make it to Italy, where they will request the help of the Italian Government to bring help to Paraguay and the Federation (Since neither has gotten foreign aide for a long while before the start of the Andalusian Catholic crackdowns). After the Italians do so, the Spaniards convince the Paraguese and Federation governments (The Federation is merely a subsidiary of the Paraguese Government in essence) to become a dominion of the Italian Kingdom. They will accept this, Italian troops will move in for a "Protection", and afterwards, they will betray the Spaniards, releasing them into the hands of either the Andalusians (Where they will likely be sent back into Portugal). Or Portugal itself (Where they will be likely captured and sent to one of many Permanent POW Camps set up in the outskirts of major cities of Portugal not counting the North where fighting continues to happen). These Catholics of course could get lucky and find one of the thousands of of hidden Spaniard and Portuguese Rebel Army Forces that are hiding after all of them being sent across the border following the deal between the Portuguese Junta and the Caliph, and who half or more of were instantly gunned down by Portuguese Junta Armed Forces on the border.
Anyway, following this, the Hierarchies of the Paraguese Government and Incan Federation will be executed or imprisoned, and since these countries are relatively underdeveloped, a short civil war will ensue in which some Federation and Paraguese Forces side with the Italians (Since they are more powerful and are the best Catholic Hierarchy compared to their former Spaniard allies who are getting absolutely clusterfucked in Portugal), while the rest of the Paraguese and Incan Federation Armies will fight the Italians, but since the majority of Italy's extra colonial Navy and Armies that were originally created for North Africa and Libya were retreated after the Turks encroached, the Italians absolutely destroy any chance of a long-term rebellion like that is in Portugal due to the Spaniards using Guerrilla warfare techniques and having a larger army than the Paraguese at this point. In essence, over the years, the Paraguese and Incan cultures will become Italianized, and they will become a Italian-like Republic following the Fascist takeover of Italia itself. There's a reason for everything I do.

[Unicario]

How could Italy *possibly* have that kind of power projection? She lost *everything* (Malta, Ithaca, Africa, etc.)

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Much better.

Looks good, but what'd you do with Persia and Afghanistan??? They're not going to mix.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

How could Italy *possibly* have that kind of power projection? She lost *everything* (Malta, Ithaca, Africa, etc.)

Yes, but if you were coming, maybe not if I were Ep, but I wouldn't bother fighting. You're a regional power. As such, my armies would pull back to Italia itself, and now I have a surplus of troops. Sure I lost everything, but I have still have Sicily, Corsica, and Sardinia which I will establish as major Naval bases. Also, does Jerusalem want the Vatican??? Cause King Cadorna XI, although a devout Catholic, sure as hell does not. Or maybe Japan would like it? The Dutch?

[The Vaktovian Empire]

OK figured out how to do the resolution on DeviantArt correctly. Updated all of my changes on your resolutioned map Uni
map

[The Vaktovian Empire]

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