AWWA Part II-The Second Thirty Years War(OOC)

[Ruridova]

I object to further colonization of South America. I think by the 1890s, there should be no more direct European colonies. At the very worst, Dominions.

Seconded. Only colonization of Africa and Asia really makes sense. The Americas are being decolonized right now.

Also it might make sense for Spain to lose Persia and Arabia.

[Unicario]

Seconded. Only colonization of Africa and Asia really makes sense. The Americas are being decolonized right now.

Also it might make sense for Spain to lose Persia and Arabia.

^^^^^^ I think the Turks would make it a hella hard situation for the Spanish to keep control of Arabia in it's entirety. Ruridova, check TG.

[Luziyca]

I object to further colonization of South America. I think by the 1890s, there should be no more direct European colonies. At the very worst, Dominions.

I agree. At best, we should agree to give an exemption to the Anglo-Guyanese condominium (my plan would be that in 1955, Britain and Guyane agree to give sovereignty to Guyana, but since President Elizabeth Johnson of Guyane was appointed Minister of Guyanese Affairs, the Dominion of Guyana only lasts a week before a unanimous vote (extensive bribes and rewards if they joined Guyane) causes Guyana to join Guyane), due to my plan. After 1955, the government in Pichegru (Ville de la Liberte) attempts to make Guyana speak French and adopt the system used in Guyane, but it backfires despite efforts to increase French: today, English outnumbers French speakers at home, and while many are bilingual, children are becoming more monolingual in English.

That said, I may in 1971 after a cyclone and extensive flooding have a long running civil war in West Guyane (due to slow response from the East and neglect over the past few decades) between the pro-British Royal Guyanese Liberation Front (RGLF) seeking the restoration of the Dominion of Guyana and the Guyanese Armed Forces, that lasts until a peace agreement was signed in 2001.

[Unicario]

Indeed. I don't like any sort of European puppet state in the Americas, and if they're not removed by 1890, I'm sure the Inca and CSA would have some words for them about how to not stick their nose in the Western part of the world.

Right, Ruri?

[Ruridova]

Also it might make sense for Spain to lose Persia and Arabia.

^^^^^^ I think the Turks would make it a hella hard situation for the Spanish to keep control of Arabia in it's entirety. Ruridova, check TG.

Mass deportation and repopulation of most of the Middle East? Yeah, not willingly. Maybe if the Ottomans attempt ethnic cleansing by force, but the populations of Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine-Israel, and large numbers of Sudanese, Egyptians, and Libyans would not willingly move to the Rub al-Khali. It would also take a massive amount of effort either way.

Indeed. I don't like any sort of European puppet state in the Americas, and if they're not removed by 1890, I'm sure the Inca and CSA would have some words for them about how to not stick their nose in the Western part of the world.

Right, Ruri?

The Mormon Doctrine, yes. Foreign empires out!

(Since Monroe was never president, and since ATL Mormonism preaches such)

[Luziyca]

^^^^^^ I think the Turks would make it a hella hard situation for the Spanish to keep control of Arabia in it's entirety. Ruridova, check TG.

Mass deportation and repopulation of most of the Middle East? Yeah, not willingly. Maybe if the Ottomans attempt ethnic cleansing by force, but the populations of Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine-Israel, and large numbers of Sudanese, Egyptians, and Libyans would not willingly move to the Rub al-Khali. It would also take a massive amount of effort either way.

Indeed. I don't like any sort of European puppet state in the Americas, and if they're not removed by 1890, I'm sure the Inca and CSA would have some words for them about how to not stick their nose in the Western part of the world.

Right, Ruri?

The Mormon Doctrine, yes. Foreign empires out!

(Since Monroe was never president, and since ATL Mormonism preaches such)

Not even Guyane, who is the last relic of the French Revolution?

Also, what about Dutch Guyana? Would the Dutch leave? Because if so, Guyane would try to take it over (it probably will take Amapa over by 1890).

[Unicario]

The Dutch will establish their own post-colonial nation in South America, since the majority of the people in it dislike the Guyana state. Or they'll sell it to the CSA or Inca Empire.

The Republic of Suriname, probably.

[Luziyca]

The Dutch will establish their own post-colonial nation in South America, since the majority of the people in it dislike the Guyana state. Or they'll sell it to the CSA or Inca Empire.

The Republic of Suriname, probably.

Why would they hate Guyana? Our residential schools, while a bit bad (think Canadian residential schools) to those who attended them (the natives in the Amazon) did teach them the ideals of the French Revolution, and we probably would've taken over Amapa from Brazil, as well as become a bit prosperous.

[Unicario]

The Dutch will establish their own post-colonial nation in South America, since the majority of the people in it dislike the Guyana state. Or they'll sell it to the CSA or Inca Empire.

The Republic of Suriname, probably.

Why would they hate Guyana? Our residential schools, while a bit bad (think Canadian residential schools) to those who attended them (the natives in the Amazon) did teach them the ideals of the French Revolution, and we probably would've taken over Amapa from Brazil, as well as become a bit prosperous.

Mostly because I want a Dutch republic, so Suriname will be a Dutch-majority Republic where they basically live in Little Nederlands.

[Luziyca]

Why would they hate Guyana? Our residential schools, while a bit bad (think Canadian residential schools) to those who attended them (the natives in the Amazon) did teach them the ideals of the French Revolution, and we probably would've taken over Amapa from Brazil, as well as become a bit prosperous.

Mostly because I want a Dutch republic, so Suriname will be a Dutch-majority Republic where they basically live in Little Nederlands.

Little Nederlands being Paramaribo?

After 1840, Ville de la Liberte would be renamed Pichegru, in honor of the father of Guyana (and first President from 1797 to 1837), Jean-Charles Pichegru. But if Guyane takes Amapa, Portuguese would not be all that spoken and by the 1890s, it would speak a lot of French. Heck, if we have Amapa, French will still be very influential while English is only confined to businessmen and western civilians.

[Ruridova]

Mostly because I want a Dutch republic, so Suriname will be a Dutch-majority Republic where they basically live in Little Nederlands.

Little Nederlands being Paramaribo?

After 1840, Ville de la Liberte would be renamed Pichegru, in honor of the father of Guyana (and first President from 1797 to 1837), Jean-Charles Pichegru. But if Guyane takes Amapa, Portuguese would not be all that spoken and by the 1890s, it would speak a lot of French. Heck, if we have Amapa, French will still be very influential while English is only confined to businessmen and western civilians.

How would Guyana wage war against Brazil?

Mass deportation and repopulation of most of the Middle East? Yeah, not willingly. Maybe if the Ottomans attempt ethnic cleansing by force, but the populations of Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine-Israel, and large numbers of Sudanese, Egyptians, and Libyans would not willingly move to the Rub al-Khali. It would also take a massive amount of effort either way.

The Mormon Doctrine, yes. Foreign empires out!

(Since Monroe was never president, and since ATL Mormonism preaches such)

Not even Guyane, who is the last relic of the French Revolution?

Also, what about Dutch Guyana? Would the Dutch leave? Because if so, Guyane would try to take it over (it probably will take Amapa over by 1890).

Any Mormon Doctrine-based alliance would allow any American nation to join. Currently that's Quebec, the CSA, al-Mayiquh, Rio Grande, Tehuantepec, Tawantisuyu, Brazil, and Guiane IIRC. Suriname would also be allowed.

[Luziyca]

Little Nederlands being Paramaribo?

After 1840, Ville de la Liberte would be renamed Pichegru, in honor of the father of Guyana (and first President from 1797 to 1837), Jean-Charles Pichegru. But if Guyane takes Amapa, Portuguese would not be all that spoken and by the 1890s, it would speak a lot of French. Heck, if we have Amapa, French will still be very influential while English is only confined to businessmen and western civilians.

How would Guyana wage war against Brazil?

I think with Brazil being inactive, we could probably do an invasion on the grounds of Brazil supporting the CSA (we're pro-British right now) or invade Amapa and Brazil collapses when news of the defeat comes in.

Not even Guyane, who is the last relic of the French Revolution?

Also, what about Dutch Guyana? Would the Dutch leave? Because if so, Guyane would try to take it over (it probably will take Amapa over by 1890).

Any Mormon Doctrine-based alliance would allow any American nation to join. Currently that's Quebec, the CSA, al-Mayiquh, Rio Grande, Tehuantepec, Tawantisuyu, Brazil, and Guiane IIRC. Suriname would also be allowed.

Guiane will definitely join into the Mormon Doctrine-based alliance, while attempting to form an alliance with Suriname and Britain (for West Guyana).

[Ruridova]

How would Guyana wage war against Brazil?

I think with Brazil being inactive, we could probably do an invasion on the grounds of Brazil supporting the CSA (we're pro-British right now) or invade Amapa and Brazil collapses when news of the defeat comes in.

Save this for next RP. This could be a catalyst for next RP.

Any Mormon Doctrine-based alliance would allow any American nation to join. Currently that's Quebec, the CSA, al-Mayiquh, Rio Grande, Tehuantepec, Tawantisuyu, Brazil, and Guiane IIRC. Suriname would also be allowed.

Guiane will definitely join into the Mormon Doctrine-based alliance, while attempting to form an alliance with Suriname and Britain (for West Guyana).

Ok.

[Luziyca]

I think with Brazil being inactive, we could probably do an invasion on the grounds of Brazil supporting the CSA (we're pro-British right now) or invade Amapa and Brazil collapses when news of the defeat comes in.

Save this for next RP. This could be a catalyst for next RP.

How?

Guiane will definitely join into the Mormon Doctrine-based alliance, while attempting to form an alliance with Suriname and Britain (for West Guyana).

Ok.

Alright.

*plots to set up Guyanese Federation between Anglo-Guyanese Guyana, Suriname and Guyane itself*

[Ruridova]

Save this for next RP. This could be a catalyst for next RP.

How?

Because the UK and CS will go to war in the 1890s and that could be the reason why.

[Unicario]

Save this for next RP. This could be a catalyst for next RP.

How?

Ok.

Alright.

*plots to set up Guyanese Federation between Anglo-Guyanese Guyana, Suriname and Guyane itself*

Suriname wouldn't join the federation. She'd go to CSA, Inca and the Netherlands for backing of her independence against a possible invasion.

[Luziyca]

How?

Because the UK and CS will go to war in the 1890s and that could be the reason why.

Could be a good idea.

So, what would happen to Guyana if that war succeeds in your favor? Would it lose Amapa?

How?

Alright.

*plots to set up Guyanese Federation between Anglo-Guyanese Guyana, Suriname and Guyane itself*

Suriname wouldn't join the federation. She'd go to CSA, Inca and the Netherlands for backing of her independence against a possible invasion.

We won't invade you. The federation would be like the EU, and ultimately, if you join, the worst thing that can happen is increased Guyanese influence and having a substantial French-speaking minority.

Also, why are you so scared of a Guyanese invasion?

[Ruridova]

Because the UK and CS will go to war in the 1890s and that could be the reason why.

Could be a good idea.

So, what would happen to Guyana if that war succeeds in your favor? Would it lose Amapa?

Brazil, not Guiane, controls Amapa at present. If the CSA succeeds or a stalemate breaks out, then Guiane will not take Amapa. If the CSA loses, it will get Amapa.

The current plan between Shrill and I is a stalemate.

Also, why are you so scared of a Guyanese invasion?

Because we all remember what revolutionary France did.

[Luziyca]

Could be a good idea.

So, what would happen to Guyana if that war succeeds in your favor? Would it lose Amapa?

Brazil, not Guiane, controls Amapa at present. If the CSA succeeds or a stalemate breaks out, then Guiane will not take Amapa. If the CSA loses, it will get Amapa.

The current plan between Shrill and I is a stalemate.

Also, why are you so scared of a Guyanese invasion?

Because we all remember what revolutionary France did.

Only Napoleon really did much of the conquests. I mean, it's not like Guiane would conquer Latin America.

[Ruridova]

Brazil, not Guiane, controls Amapa at present. If the CSA succeeds or a stalemate breaks out, then Guiane will not take Amapa. If the CSA loses, it will get Amapa.

The current plan between Shrill and I is a stalemate.

Because we all remember what revolutionary France did.

Only Napoleon really did much of the conquests. I mean, it's not like Guiane would conquer Latin America.

You're gunning for a Guyanese Union so you can take Brazilian land. You're on your way.

[Unicario]

And the plan between Ruri and I is basically the Pacific War, but with a more stalemate-esque feel than a victory. Japan gets it's ass handed to it at Hawaii, the CSN and the IJN square off at Midway, Japan wins there and at Manila Bay, CSA and Japan realize that further war is stupid, sign peace treaty, Japan loses Hawaii but gets a bunch of money from the Confederates as recompense.

[Luziyca]

Only Napoleon really did much of the conquests. I mean, it's not like Guiane would conquer Latin America.

You're gunning for a Guyanese Union so you can take Brazilian land. You're on your way.

Amapa is Portuguese Guyana in the past, and Guyana seeks to unite all the Guyanese land under one banner. That was the vision of Pichegru, and his major achievement was convincing Britain for a condominium in British Guyana.

But if the war gets too intense, Guyana and Britain could attempt to conquer Brazil and form a diarchy with the King/Queen of the UK being co-Emperor/co-Empress of Brazil and the President of Guyana being co-Emperor/co-Empress, and divide and conquer from there.

[Ruridova]

You're gunning for a Guyanese Union so you can take Brazilian land. You're on your way.

Amapa is Portuguese Guyana in the past, and Guyana seeks to unite all the Guyanese land under one banner. That was the vision of Pichegru, and his major achievement was convincing Britain for a condominium in British Guyana.

But if the war gets too intense, Guyana and Britain could attempt to conquer Brazil and form a diarchy with the King/Queen of the UK being co-Emperor/co-Empress of Brazil and the President of Guyana being co-Emperor/co-Empress, and divide and conquer from there.

What? Guyana is just a geographic term, there is no history of a unified Guyana. Any unified Guyana would face ethnic and religious troubles and would ultimately work out terribly save Deus ex Machina.

Besides, the American nations would never allow any British conquest of Brazil. As long as Guyana remains in collusion with the British, and in all likelihood in any scenario, the American nations would not allow a Guyanese conquest of Brazil, or 'Portuguese Guyana'.

[Luziyca]

Amapa is Portuguese Guyana in the past, and Guyana seeks to unite all the Guyanese land under one banner. That was the vision of Pichegru, and his major achievement was convincing Britain for a condominium in British Guyana.

But if the war gets too intense, Guyana and Britain could attempt to conquer Brazil and form a diarchy with the King/Queen of the UK being co-Emperor/co-Empress of Brazil and the President of Guyana being co-Emperor/co-Empress, and divide and conquer from there.

What? Guyana is just a geographic term, there is no history of a unified Guyana. Any unified Guyana would face ethnic and religious troubles and would ultimately work out terribly save Deus ex Machina.

Besides, the American nations would never allow any British conquest of Brazil. As long as Guyana remains in collusion with the British, and in all likelihood in any scenario, the American nations would not allow a Guyanese conquest of Brazil, or 'Portuguese Guyana'.

Nah, just Amapa. We'd let the British take care of the rest.

Also, it'd be like the EU. But if it got like Yugoslavia, their separation would make Yugoslavia's look peaceful and orderly.

[Unicario]

Does Spain still control Central America? I want to have a United Republic of Central America.