The Legends of Middle-Earth: The Third Age [OOC|Open]

[Weltmachtistan]

So I didn't have to share my power in that thread? And even if it is an oversight, it is still in breach of the rules stated in the OP. Therefor, Dan's fortress should remain unscathed, and he should be allowed to continue his invasion?

What part of the rules in what OP?

In the Archives, the operative "it" in the sentence you bolded is referring to the aforementioned things that must be posted in the Archives.

Frankly, if we're going to have to rules-lawyer this, I can rules-lawyer this. Pruss should have come up with a better IC reason to deploy his power on Khazad-Dum, assuredly. As it is though, we already allow a certain amount of meta-knowledge; trades are sent with terms agreed upon OOCly, alliances are dissolved because of OOC knowledge that can't possible travel at the speed ICly of the dissolution, and IC characters have dispositions not consistent with pure IC knowledge. I shall be more strict on metagaming from here on out, and this matter is closed.

So, Dan is effectively screwed by a power, he had no meta-knowledge of, while he himself has been marshaled by his attacker?

And I do not agree with any OOC going into the IC. The terms of trade could very easily be determined ICly, but for the sake of time going haywire, it is determined in the OOC. And I do not agree with alliances forming/breaking due to IC reasons. In a perfect RP, we would send emmissaries to treat an alliance, at the risk of them being denied, or even killed by other factions.

Of course perfection is an impossibility, therefore I believe the best course would be to nullify both Pruss' and Dan's actions up until the point that the rules were broken.

Also, the fact that Pruss is developing, is not an excuse to break the rules. Should he be punished? No, but his metagaming should be removed.

[Elerian]

What part of the rules in what OP?

In the Archives, the operative "it" in the sentence you bolded is referring to the aforementioned things that must be posted in the Archives.

Frankly, if we're going to have to rules-lawyer this, I can rules-lawyer this. Pruss should have come up with a better IC reason to deploy his power on Khazad-Dum, assuredly. As it is though, we already allow a certain amount of meta-knowledge; trades are sent with terms agreed upon OOCly, alliances are dissolved because of OOC knowledge that can't possible travel at the speed ICly of the dissolution, and IC characters have dispositions not consistent with pure IC knowledge. I shall be more strict on metagaming from here on out, and this matter is closed.

So, Dan is effectively screwed by a power, he had no meta-knowledge of, while he himself has been marshaled by his attacker?

And I do not agree with any OOC going into the IC. The terms of trade could very easily be determined ICly, but for the sake of time going haywire, it is determined in the OOC. And I do not agree with alliances forming/breaking due to IC reasons. In a perfect RP, we would send emmissaries to treat an alliance, at the risk of them being denied, or even killed by other factions.

Of course perfection is an impossibility, therefore I believe the best course would be to nullify both Pruss' and Dan's actions up until the point that the rules were broken.

Also, the fact that Pruss is developing, is not an excuse to break the rules. Should he be punished? No, but his metagaming should be removed.

I concur.

[Escalan Corps-Star Island]

Can we end this senseless bickering?

Pruss, let's have you remove the webs and redact your post. You retain the ability and avoid any appearance of metagaming.

And Dan, what if you agree not to attack Dunland for only one week? That would not allow him to increase his forces at all, as he is currently training 5000 goblins.

Sound fair?

Also, on a side note, my messengers actually can move many regions in a week- they fly!

[G-Tech Corporation]

Could it have been handled better? Probably.

In the circumstances of complete player hostility from certain parties, willingness to ignore RP rules in the favor of personal ego, and frankly a failure to accept a setback, it still could have been handled better. Pruss is a developing RPer, not always aware of certain RP conventions; I have dealt with him enough to know this, as have most of you. I'm willing to take his word for a lack of knowledge of metagaming, since I do generally assume the best about people until proven otherwise.

I don't cry over spilt milk.

Im not crying im just trying to defend Dan when he has been cheated on. While I understand that Dan has been rather hostile to you it is because of the fact that he was the victim of cheating. I would be mad as im sure you would too so I dont think its right to punish him for this instead of Pruss. You could at least have made the cheating go away instead of letting it slide.

Haha no, Dan still thinks me annexing Dale is, well, pants-on-head retarded. From that has stemmed his opposition to all of my OP decisions.

I suppose I was a bit eager to prevent Dan from destroying a new player, since we don't have many of those.

[Elerian]

Im not crying im just trying to defend Dan when he has been cheated on. While I understand that Dan has been rather hostile to you it is because of the fact that he was the victim of cheating. I would be mad as im sure you would too so I dont think its right to punish him for this instead of Pruss. You could at least have made the cheating go away instead of letting it slide.

Haha no, Dan still thinks me annexing Dale is, well, pants-on-head retarded. From that has stemmed his opposition to all of my OP decisions.

I suppose I was a bit eager to prevent Dan from destroying a new player, since we don't have many of those.

I agree with him. Its a bit well rather a lot far fetched.

? You kinda just did that yourself. While Dale doesnt actually have a player you kinda just destroyed the opportunity.

[Weltmachtistan]

Im not crying im just trying to defend Dan when he has been cheated on. While I understand that Dan has been rather hostile to you it is because of the fact that he was the victim of cheating. I would be mad as im sure you would too so I dont think its right to punish him for this instead of Pruss. You could at least have made the cheating go away instead of letting it slide.

Haha no, Dan still thinks me annexing Dale is, well, pants-on-head retarded. From that has stemmed his opposition to all of my OP decisions.

I suppose I was a bit eager to prevent Dan from destroying a new player, since we don't have many of those.

I don't believe this is about the issue of Erebor and Dale, that argument is effectively over. This is about being screwed over by metagaming, I'd be angry, as would most of the rper's in this thread.

And while I wouldn't like to see a new player destroyed, you cannot bend the rules of the OP, to see it happen. Besides, the thing which killed the last rp was everyone was a recluse building their militaries, a bit of action can't hurt.

[Elerian]

Haha no, Dan still thinks me annexing Dale is, well, pants-on-head retarded. From that has stemmed his opposition to all of my OP decisions.

I suppose I was a bit eager to prevent Dan from destroying a new player, since we don't have many of those.

I don't believe this is about the issue of Erebor and Dale, that argument is effectively over. This is about being screwed over by metagaming, I'd be angry, as would most of the rper's in this thread.

And while I wouldn't like to see a new player destroyed, you cannot bend the rules of the OP, to see it happen. Besides, the thing which killed the last rp was everyone was a recluse building their militaries, a bit of action can't hurt.

Not quite.

Who were you in the last one? The reason it went under was because half of the players of good werent active and the fact that good was far far outgunned. Did you see what happened anytime we tried to attack anyone? It was a mass slaughter of anyone trying to even make a little dent in the forces of evil.

[Weltmachtistan]

I don't believe this is about the issue of Erebor and Dale, that argument is effectively over. This is about being screwed over by metagaming, I'd be angry, as would most of the rper's in this thread.

And while I wouldn't like to see a new player destroyed, you cannot bend the rules of the OP, to see it happen. Besides, the thing which killed the last rp was everyone was a recluse building their militaries, a bit of action can't hurt.

Not quite.

Who were you in the last one? The reason it went under was because half of the players of good werent active and the fact that good was far far outgunned. Did you see what happened anytime we tried to attack anyone? It was a mass slaughter of anyone trying to even make a little dent in the forces of evil.

Are you talking about the Middle-Earth II thread? As there was little to no combat in that rp.

Are you talking about the original, Middle Earth thread?

[Prusseusss]

I will redact my post because all of you guys want me to. Just ignore that post.

[Elerian]

Not quite.

Who were you in the last one? The reason it went under was because half of the players of good werent active and the fact that good was far far outgunned. Did you see what happened anytime we tried to attack anyone? It was a mass slaughter of anyone trying to even make a little dent in the forces of evil.

Are you talking about the Middle-Earth II thread? As there was little to no combat in that rp.

Are you talking about the original, Middle Earth thread?

The first reboot?

And yes

[Elerian]

I will redact my post because all of you guys want me to. Just ignore that post.

Its not the fact that you did it. Just the way you went about doing it.

[Weltmachtistan]

Are you talking about the Middle-Earth II thread? As there was little to no combat in that rp.

Are you talking about the original, Middle Earth thread?

The first reboot?

And yes

Yes, the first thread had very little war, if anything, as far as I remember. As, everyone who was posting, was awaiting the creation of troops, until it just turned stagnant.

[Prusseusss]

I will redact my post because all of you guys want me to. Just ignore that post.

Its not the fact that you did it. Just the way you went about doing it.

Well i'm sorry for getting everybody pissed.

[Weltmachtistan]

I will redact my post because all of you guys want me to. Just ignore that post.

Thank you.

I realize you're new to rp, so TG if you have questions. Just remember that metagaming is a big no-no.

[Elerian]

When the hell did we get to Week 7?

[Frozen]

hey spiders, I'm heading off to bed right now; but could you tg me so i know who you are and we can bounce ideas on how to handle our interaction?

K thanks

[Weltmachtistan]

When the hell did we get to Week 7?

It seems a few of us were confused between whether it was week 5 or 6, and we effectively skipped a week, from what I can see. Good catch.

[Escalan Corps-Star Island]

When the hell did we get to Week 7?

There are fifty-odd posts, so that likely accounts for it.

[Soviet Ruk-Tsan]

So basically, Hobbits annex The Westmarch. Do I get any new resources from it when I take it?

(Btw, The Westmarch is basically just a small area of land to the west of The Shire, there wouldn't be too much stuff of importance there, maybe just some foodz and wood.)

In other news, I just noticed that I have iron. While I'm not gonna complain about that, it is amusing considering there is not a single mine in The Shire, and the fact that one of the reasons no one ever bothered to take it was the hilariously poor mineral deposits. Still, as I said, no reason to complain, I'll probably convert it into wood and then food in my next post. Just say it was some iron I had stockpiled in the lockholes or something.

[Danhanjeedh]

Now this is over, also ignore my post about planning to invade Dunland;)

[G-Tech Corporation]

So basically, Hobbits annex The Westmarch. Do I get any new resources from it when I take it?

(Btw, The Westmarch is basically just a small area of land to the west of The Shire, there wouldn't be too much stuff of importance there, maybe just some foodz and wood.)

In other news, I just noticed that I have iron. While I'm not gonna complain about that, it is amusing considering there is not a single mine in The Shire, and the fact that one of the reasons no one ever bothered to take it was the hilariously poor mineral deposits. Still, as I said, no reason to complain, I'll probably convert it into wood and then food in my next post. Just say it was some iron I had stockpiled in the lockholes or something.

I can take it away, if you'd like. I couldn't remember if the Lockholes were actually mines or not.

Also, the Westmarch is already part of your starting region.

Now this is over, also ignore my post about planning to invade Dunland;)

That's a solution I can live with.

[Soviet Ruk-Tsan]

Nah, I'm getting rid of the iron in my post anyway. Btw, The Hobbits only got The Westmarch after the War of The Ring, King Aragorn gifted it to them. Still, you're OP. I'll go ahead and do my post about taking The Westmarch because it's half done anyway, but you don't have to give me any resources for taking it.

[Konariona]

Rohan will defend Dunland

[Dreviros]

Rohan will defend Dunland

Well, that is much appreciated!

[Elerian]

Rohan will defend Dunland

I still want your ring.

Its my precious!!!