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Reatra
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Founded: Sep 02, 2011
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Reatra » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:50 pm

Dires wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:2 million is too high if they all have the highest training and experience. China right now has 2.3 million military, and can't arm many of them.


Difference: I have 1.7 billion not 1.3 billion like modern day China has. My China is a place that modernized in 1900 under the Guangxu Emperor much like the Meiji Restoration in Japan. Subsequently it never suffered the ravages of Communism and instead stayed one of the wealthiest nations in the world as China had been for millenia.


China only has 1.3 billion because one of the communist dictators (I forgot whom) passed a law saying all women must have... I think three children, maybe more, that's why the nation is just now developing, it suffered from overpopulation, a modernized China wouldn't have more people, but DRAMATICALLY less people.
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The United Soviet Socialist Republic
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Founded: Aug 10, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:51 pm

Jolthig wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:When China modernized is irrelevant. It is modernized today and making up some shit about China being one of the wealthiest nations in the world doesn't make it true.

But this is an alternate world.

It's unrealistic.
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Mexican Liberation
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Posts: 1862
Founded: May 18, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Mexican Liberation » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:51 pm

Full Nation Name: The Union of Independent Allied Caribbean States
Short Name: Caribbean Union
Demonym: Caribbean
Form of Government: Socialist Democratic-Republic
Head of State: Francisco Velázquez
Head of Government: Francisco Velázquez
Location on map: The entirety of the Greater and Lesser Antilles (Minus Turks and Caicos)
Population: 42,000,000
Military Size (try not to make it too big): 500,000 (1.203%)
RP Sample: You know me, Invited me, and I'm also one of the Mods for this RP :p

Would it be ok to have Puerto Rico, or leave it as a US commonwealth?

If not, I could plan to annex it later on if no one wants it...
Libertarian Socialism

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Jolthig
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Founded: Aug 31, 2010
Democratic Socialists

Postby Jolthig » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:52 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Jolthig wrote:But this is an alternate world.

It's unrealistic.

That's why this is an alternate world.
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Bormeatri
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Founded: Apr 07, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Bormeatri » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:53 pm

The Republic of Brazil emerged to become a first world country (still developing in some parts) in the late 1980s-90s. It now has the world's 4th largest economy behind Qin Empire, Japan, and the USA (If it exists).

(If the USA doesn't exist, Brazil has the 3rd largest economy.)

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The United Soviet Socialist Republic
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Ex-Nation

Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:53 pm

Jolthig wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:It's unrealistic.

That's why this is an alternate world.

There is a difference between alternate worlds and unrealistic ones.
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Shnercropolis
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Founded: Sep 30, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:54 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Communist republic of altorus wrote:CODE: SELECT ALL
Full Nation Name:The Middle eastern confederacy
Short Name:TMEC
Demonym:midec
Form of Government:Parliamentary democracy
Head of State: Shafiq mubbara
Head of Government: Shafiq mubbara
Location on map: UAE, part of saudi arabia linking qatar and UAE, qatar
Population: 9 million(real size)
Military Size (try not to make it too big): 125,000 active, 425,000 reserve
RP Sample:you know me.

Hmm... I dunno. The military seems a bit outragous for such a small population.

Small countries tend to have larger military-population ratios. A good example is Eritrea.
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Dires
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Founded: Aug 16, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Dires » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:54 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Dires wrote:.............Did you only read the first sentence?........?

When China modernized is irrelevant. It is modernized today and making up some shit about China being one of the wealthiest nations in the world doesn't make it true.


Loool what? Do you not understand the difference between modernizing under "Communism" or Capitalism? And China was wealthier and more advanced than Europe between the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the 17the century. The reason the Opium Wars happened was because China was creating too much of a trade imbalance regarding silver so Europeans/British started selling Opium large-scale to regain their silver.
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Jolthig
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Founded: Aug 31, 2010
Democratic Socialists

Postby Jolthig » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:57 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Hmm... I dunno. The military seems a bit outragous for such a small population.

Small countries tend to have larger military-population ratios. A good example is Eritrea.

Ok he's in.
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Jolthig
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Founded: Aug 31, 2010
Democratic Socialists

Postby Jolthig » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:58 pm

Mexican Liberation wrote:Full Nation Name: The Union of Independent Allied Caribbean States
Short Name: Caribbean Union
Demonym: Caribbean
Form of Government: Socialist Democratic-Republic
Head of State: Francisco Velázquez
Head of Government: Francisco Velázquez
Location on map: The entirety of the Greater and Lesser Antilles (Minus Turks and Caicos)
Population: 42,000,000
Military Size (try not to make it too big): 500,000 (1.203%)
RP Sample: You know me, Invited me, and I'm also one of the Mods for this RP :p

Would it be ok to have Puerto Rico, or leave it as a US commonwealth?

If not, I could plan to annex it later on if no one wants it...

Approved.
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The United Soviet Socialist Republic
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Ex-Nation

Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:58 pm

Dires wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:When China modernized is irrelevant. It is modernized today and making up some shit about China being one of the wealthiest nations in the world doesn't make it true.


Loool what? Do you not understand the difference between modernizing under "Communism" or Capitalism? And China was wealthier and more advanced than Europe between the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the 17the century. The reason the Opium Wars happened was because China was creating too much of a trade imbalance regarding silver so Europeans/British started selling Opium large-scale to regain their silver.

You can't prevent major historical wars from ever happening. The First and Second Opium Wars were major wars and you can't just erase them from history.
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Conservative on social issues(Support same sex marriage),
Anti secularist on religion,
Anti-Republican on government,
Interventionist/Imperialist on international issues

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Communist republic of altorus
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Founded: Nov 10, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Communist republic of altorus » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:58 pm

nooo, i must have a small well trained military.

100,000-250,000
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Dires
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Founded: Aug 16, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Dires » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:59 pm

Reatra wrote:
Dires wrote:
Difference: I have 1.7 billion not 1.3 billion like modern day China has. My China is a place that modernized in 1900 under the Guangxu Emperor much like the Meiji Restoration in Japan. Subsequently it never suffered the ravages of Communism and instead stayed one of the wealthiest nations in the world as China had been for millenia.


China only has 1.3 billion because one of the communist dictators (I forgot whom) passed a law saying all women must have... I think three children, maybe more, that's why the nation is just now developing, it suffered from overpopulation, a modernized China wouldn't have more people, but DRAMATICALLY less people.


Before you tell me what is right and wrong about China, learn more about it first. In truth there were only two Communist "dictators" in China. You are referring to the one child policy. My emperor instituted the same thing. Second, we did not have a civil war nor a mass starvation. Since we formed a modern economy so much more efficiently than Mao, we continued to grow in both wealth and population. Please explain where I am being unrealistic?
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Political Compass
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Dires
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Founded: Aug 16, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Dires » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:01 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Dires wrote:
Loool what? Do you not understand the difference between modernizing under "Communism" or Capitalism? And China was wealthier and more advanced than Europe between the fall of the Western Roman Empire and the 17the century. The reason the Opium Wars happened was because China was creating too much of a trade imbalance regarding silver so Europeans/British started selling Opium large-scale to regain their silver.

You can't prevent major historical wars from ever happening. The First and Second Opium Wars were major wars and you can't just erase them from history.


Lol welcome to alt history. The Opium War is nothing in comparison to our retconning of WW1 or 2
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Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31
http://www.politicaltest.net/test/result/400019/

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Jolthig
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Posts: 18284
Founded: Aug 31, 2010
Democratic Socialists

Postby Jolthig » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:01 pm

Communist republic of altorus wrote:nooo, i must have a small well trained military.

100,000-250,000

you're in
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The United Soviet Socialist Republic
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Founded: Aug 10, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:02 pm

Dires wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:You can't prevent major historical wars from ever happening. The First and Second Opium Wars were major wars and you can't just erase them from history.


Lol welcome to alt history. The Opium War is nothing in comparison to our retconning of WW1 or 2

No. Fucking no. If you try to retconn WWI or WWII then I am leaving.
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Anti secularist on religion,
Anti-Republican on government,
Interventionist/Imperialist on international issues

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Jolthig
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Founded: Aug 31, 2010
Democratic Socialists

Postby Jolthig » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:03 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Dires wrote:
Lol welcome to alt history. The Opium War is nothing in comparison to our retconning of WW1 or 2

No. Fucking no. If you try to retconn WWI or WWII then I am leaving.

Or I could shut this RP down.
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Communist republic of altorus
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Founded: Nov 10, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Communist republic of altorus » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:04 pm

nooo
I am autistic.

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Shnercropolis
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Posts: 9391
Founded: Sep 30, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:04 pm

Jolthig wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:No. Fucking no. If you try to retconn WWI or WWII then I am leaving.

Or I could shut this RP down.
pleaaaaase no! I want to do this RP!
Dires wrote:
Reatra wrote:
China only has 1.3 billion because one of the communist dictators (I forgot whom) passed a law saying all women must have... I think three children, maybe more, that's why the nation is just now developing, it suffered from overpopulation, a modernized China wouldn't have more people, but DRAMATICALLY less people.


Before you tell me what is right and wrong about China, learn more about it first. In truth there were only two Communist "dictators" in China. You are referring to the one child policy. My emperor instituted the same thing. Second, we did not have a civil war nor a mass starvation. Since we formed a modern economy so much more efficiently than Mao, we continued to grow in both wealth and population. Please explain where I am being unrealistic?

So you're pretty much claiming that communist ideologies never spread to China? And that a large part of WW2 happened differently?
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Greater Corea
Diplomat
 
Posts: 775
Founded: Feb 18, 2013
Democratic Socialists

Postby Greater Corea » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:06 pm

Full Nation Name: the Empire of Corea
Short Name: Corea
Demonym: Corean
Form of Government: constitutional Monarchy
Head of State: Emperor Yi Han
Head of Government: President Park Guen Hye
Location on map: South Korea+Japan
Population: 124 million
Military Size (try not to make it too big): 5 million total (1.5 mil active, 3.5 mil inactive)
RP Sample:

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Greater Corea wrote:
...Corea was attacked by some enemy and thus troops stay high for defense porpoises.

aww yeah.
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Dires
Minister
 
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Founded: Aug 16, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Dires » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:07 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Dires wrote:
Lol welcome to alt history. The Opium War is nothing in comparison to our retconning of WW1 or 2

No. Fucking no. If you try to retconn WWI or WWII then I am leaving.


Lmfaoo are you kidding me? We have a Californian Republic, Chinese Prussian, and Russian Empires. A massive Swiss power and you think WW1 AND 2 happened? Even if they did they wouldn't have the same implications.
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Southeastern Xiatao
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Posts: 760
Founded: Feb 07, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:09 pm

Is Mexico taken? If not then here is my application.

Full Nation Name: The United Aztec Republic
Short Name: Aztec Republic or UAR
Demonym: Aztecs
Form of Government: Constitutional Monarchy, with Liberalism
Head of State: Emperor Montezuma VII
Head of Government: Prime Minister, Xalaitzcan Yuaxzan
Location on map: Mexico (or what is left of Mexico, if not then Central America)
Population: 1,200,300 people
Military Size (try not to make it too big): 403,028 total
RP Sample: (Don't have a RP sample yet, is that mean that I'm not going to approved? If not I'm okay with that)
Left: 3.79
Authoritarian: 1.03
Foreign Policy: 0.08, in between neo-con, and non-interventionalist
Culture: -5.32, I'm very culturally liberal
Center-left

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Shnercropolis
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Founded: Sep 30, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:10 pm

Dires wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:No. Fucking no. If you try to retconn WWI or WWII then I am leaving.


Lmfaoo are you kidding me? We have a Californian Republic, Chinese Prussian, and Russian Empires. A massive Swiss power and you think WW1 AND 2 happened? Even if they did they wouldn't have the same implications.

A massive Swiss power? The forming of my country is like 1990.
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The United Soviet Socialist Republic
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Founded: Aug 10, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:10 pm

Dires wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:No. Fucking no. If you try to retconn WWI or WWII then I am leaving.


Lmfaoo are you kidding me? We have a Californian Republic, Chinese Prussian, and Russian Empires. A massive Swiss power and you think WW1 AND 2 happened? Even if they did they wouldn't have the same implications.

Events can happen to make different Empires and Republics rise.
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Conservative on social issues(Support same sex marriage),
Anti secularist on religion,
Anti-Republican on government,
Interventionist/Imperialist on international issues

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Greater Corea
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Founded: Feb 18, 2013
Democratic Socialists

Postby Greater Corea » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:11 pm

Sorry to interfere but can I please be accepted or otherwise before continuing this argument?
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Shnercropolis wrote:
Greater Corea wrote:
...Corea was attacked by some enemy and thus troops stay high for defense porpoises.

aww yeah.
http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... ins-5.jpeg

Greater Corea wrote:
Ranoria wrote:...

"He's dead Jim"


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