Smoke and Steel: An alt-history RP (OOC/Now Closed)

[The Blazing Aura]

Neros, if my men boarded your ship it would be a small force of at leas a dozen trained soldiers, they'd know exactly about explosives and stuff. However they probably wouldn't search the ship at all.

I would most definitely like to have given permission before you decide to blow up part of my country. Especially to the extent that you've done so.
EDIT: Added to the fact that you've made the damage report for me.
(I'm trying my best to be calm about this but really I'm extremely pissed off, please Neros retcon it and let us reach an agreement on this BEFORE you do anything like this again. Else I will simply ignore your posts and carry on as if nothing has happened.

Actually can i make a point out to everyone please. If you're going to use anyone/anything from the United Holy Sultanate I would like a TG about it first so that we can sort out exactly what they're doing so another situation like this doesn't occur again.

This really makes everyone pissed at Russia. It allows everyone to go after him because it severs the supply train of Europe-Asia-Africa. As for the damage report, if I didn't, you'd brush it off as a simple little firecracker. It's a serious issue.

So, we have to get your permission to roleplay with the UHS? How stingy. Are we going to have to TG you on how to respond to your posts too, just so everything can be right in the world - er, I mean your Most Holy Nation? It would serve as a proper mobilization of war against Russia for your nation and anyone (which is most of the players) who rely on or have some trade going through Suez.

I'd much rather you roleplay through it. Something about Realism that Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States was talking about. Suez would be a legitimate area of attack by Russia, and retconning it just because you don't like it seems to go totally against that concept.

This is making me very pissed off at you atm, but not Russia as much, unless Tyben had a hand in creating the post (but I doubt he did). Damage Report-wise, whilst I would treat it seriously but a year with the entire canal closed? I don't think so. You've also got to remember that as it was Sweden who caused this the UHS won't look favorably at Sweden again, and when I say 'won't look favorably' I mean shoot on sight.

You don't need m permission to RP with the UHS I'd rather have permission if you're going to use the UHS for whatever your planning. It's called common decency to let other people know what you're going to do with their characters at the very least, I don't want to interrupt your posts but i merely want to know what's happening with my nation outside of when I'm using it. (Also don't use that style of writing with me. I give people one warning and this is yours.)
I think you've missed a point here Neros, "It would serve as proper mobilization of war against Russia for your nation" who's the person with 300,000 men, three quarters of their professional fighting force in Crimea preparing to defend against the Russians? and you dare say I'm not mobilizing for war???? I've pulled back an army so that I can actually have a semblance of control in my nation and you DARE say that I'm not mobilized for war. If you hadn't posted it I'd of thought you were just joking around but I'm not sure if you're a troll or not anymore.

I will RP through it IF IT IS REASONABLE. I can RP at any level from realist to complete fantasy and I do so dependent on what everyone else in the RP is doing. I'll admit that Suez would be a viable target if the Russians had any sailors which until you went and made your silly little post they didn't have any real ships to do that.
Plus if you think about it just doing that would potentially rid the Russians of one of their allies (France) who were using the Canal, not even they would be that stupid as to remove one of their allies just to stop some trade.

I strongly wish that you change the post, make it more reasonable, especially as the tactics used are more in line with terrorists today than anything I know of that happened in the 19th Century.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Okay, seriously: what just happened? I won't deny it, there are a few people in this RP who I thought would godmod at some point, and I was ready to deal with that. But Neros? I thought you were going to be one of the more responsible RPers here, and I'm honestly disappointed in what's just happened.

Now, I understand where you're coming from: RPs can get boring because they are predictable. Once a certain arrangement of alliances is cemented and the troop strength and numbers are tallied up, it becomes possible to see the outcome of the conflict long before it even starts, and nobody likes that. In order to keep this from happening, it's sometimes necessary for someone to throw an unexpected move on the other players, an event that changes the entire political atmosphere and requires players to react to a new, unexpected plot twist. Sabotage, espionage, assassination, revolution: all are viable options to keep an RP interesting and unpredictable.

However, this only works if the other player agrees to take part in this plan. This isn't about "you can't attack a country unless they agree to lose," it's about "you can't attack a nation without giving them a way to react." It is very serious godmodding to control other countries' characters, and in that post you not only controlled guards and officers from the UHS and the Sassanid Empire, but also controlled saboteurs from Russia and Poland, thus arranging an entire diplomatic incident that killed one nation's people and blamed another's when neither was involved.

I know it sounds stingy, but there's a very good reason this rule exists. Imagine if you were on the receiving end; what if I posted saying that all your fort soldiers had mutinied and were now preventing Swedish ships from leaving the Baltic? Or if Russia posted that your king had committed suicide and left the country in chaos? I'm guessing you'd feel pretty bad if something like that happened to you, especially if it happened in such a preventable way. Why do it to anyone else?

So I'll ask this politely, one more time: Neros, please retcon that last post. The last thing you want is to be associated with godmodding on that scale. IC conflicts keep an RP alive but OOC conflicts kill it.

[The Blazing Aura]

I'm sorry I may of overreacted slightly, I haven't had the best of days and I'm having a bit of a problem with my temper at the moment

[Neros]

Alright.

Aura, I sincerely apologize for my godmodding of your guards. I honestly should have asked you about it sooner, but I was expecting a definitive 'no', as it would have caused you severe problems. Really not sure why I decided to go through with it in the IC, but I decided to give it a shot.

Soodean, I am sorry I disappointed you in that aspect. I will be TG'ing you a definitive report on what the plan entailed and you will see that it goes far deeper than at first thought. I try to keep a good face, but we all suffer major mistakes. I was worried about the godmodding of the Suez Canal guards, yet I still did not ask Aura about it. I should have and didn't, and for that I am sorry. I will begin re-writing the post and such.

Again, I am very sorry to both of you.

[Blassland]

I just saw the post by Neros, as long as it is ret-conned idc
This tactic is now public and if you want something like this to happen then you will have to get the approval of fellow RPers involved and do something else

[Neros]

I just saw the post by Neros, as long as it is ret-conned idc
This tactic is now public and if you want something like this to happen then you will have to get the approval of fellow RPers involved and do something else

...Yes, I know this. I'm communicating with the OP about this and re-working the thing entirely. I may back out of the war at this point due the...well...betrayal of Russia and pissing off another set of allies (the Black Sea Pact) with the plot device.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Alright.

Aura, I sincerely apologize for my godmodding of your guards. I honestly should have asked you about it sooner, but I was expecting a definitive 'no', as it would have caused you severe problems. Really not sure why I decided to go through with it in the IC, but I decided to give it a shot.

Soodean, I am sorry I disappointed you in that aspect. I will be TG'ing you a definitive report on what the plan entailed and you will see that it goes far deeper than at first thought. I try to keep a good face, but we all suffer major mistakes. I was worried about the godmodding of the Suez Canal guards, yet I still did not ask Aura about it. I should have and didn't, and for that I am sorry. I will begin re-writing the post and such.

Again, I am very sorry to both of you.

Thank you for apologizing.

From what I've seen in other RPs, staged attacks like these are a common pitfall for experienced players, in that they seem like a good idea at the time but often end up offending the people on the receiving end. It's one of the real limits of RPs -you can't really do anything secretly, because if you don't post until the plan is sprung it looks like a godmod, and if you post while you're planning people will metagame around it.

Really, I think the key is to make sure that the victim of the plan agrees. It may seem unlikely that someone would allow their country to take a big hit like that, but look at France (Halleon) and Occitania (Fortunagen): their war had some difficulties, but in the end, Fortunagen was perfectly willing to lose the Civil War and go into exile in South Argentina. That's what good RPing looks like - being able to admit mistakes and take losses, ICly and OOCly.

[Neros]

Alright.

Aura, I sincerely apologize for my godmodding of your guards. I honestly should have asked you about it sooner, but I was expecting a definitive 'no', as it would have caused you severe problems. Really not sure why I decided to go through with it in the IC, but I decided to give it a shot.

Soodean, I am sorry I disappointed you in that aspect. I will be TG'ing you a definitive report on what the plan entailed and you will see that it goes far deeper than at first thought. I try to keep a good face, but we all suffer major mistakes. I was worried about the godmodding of the Suez Canal guards, yet I still did not ask Aura about it. I should have and didn't, and for that I am sorry. I will begin re-writing the post and such.

Again, I am very sorry to both of you.

Thank you for apologizing.

From what I've seen in other RPs, staged attacks like these are a common pitfall for experienced players, in that they seem like a good idea at the time but often end up offending the people on the receiving end. It's one of the real limits of RPs -you can't really do anything secretly, because if you don't post until the plan is sprung it looks like a godmod, and if you post while you're planning people will metagame around it.

Really, I think the key is to make sure that the victim of the plan agrees. It may seem unlikely that someone would allow their country to take a big hit like that, but look at France (Halleon) and Occitania (Fortunagen): their war had some difficulties, but in the end, Fortunagen was perfectly willing to lose the Civil War and go into exile in South Argentina. That's what good RPing looks like - being able to admit mistakes and take losses, ICly and OOCly.

Yes, I see. Sometimes you just have to up and admit that you were indeed in the wrong, and apologize for it.

For now, just ignore the post as I will rework it into something completely different. I'll most likely turn it into a post describing how good Sweden is, haha.

EDIT: Have you received my Telegram? I plan to fully explain it there in confidence, as I fear self-incrimination.

[Blassland]

@Neros, I am willing to co-operate with you for the war and in the future
No bad blood w/ me over what happened

[Neros]

@Neros, I am willing to co-operate with you for the war and in the future
No bad blood w/ me over what happened

You see, the Canal Incident was going to be my Casus Belli (and allow other nations to begin supporting our efforts due to Russia's attack), so I will have to formulate another incident to go against Russia.

I've TG'd my entire plotline to Soodean, so he understands what is going on. I asked him to keep it out of player knowledge for a while, because it can be incriminating to the Swedish Monarchy if it becomes public knowledge - ICly or in the OOC.

[Zgraja]

Wait a minute... I am lost. Why was Poland mentioned in that post at all? I had nothing to do with it and was not informed of any Poles being utilized in any capacity.

[Halleon]

Did anything ever get decided for the Hansa? Are we waiting for that rper to return or are they gonna go npc?

[Neros]

Imperial Armed Forces of Sweden

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Equipment

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Army

Version Model 1846 of the Swedish M1820 Rifle



Cartridge: .525 Paper (conical bullet)
Caliber: .525 inches (13.3 mm)
Rate of fire: 8–9 rounds per minute
Effective range: 800–1500 yards

First Revolver Sidearm of the Swedish Military


Cartridge: .44 Paper (conical bullet)
Caliber: .44
Rate of fire: 6 rounds per minute
Effective range: 75-100 yards

Equipped to most Swedish Artillery Units and occasionally Militiamen. Sealed chambers and a back hatch to allow for quick reloading and far improved safety.


Cartridge: .44 Paper (conical bullet)
Caliber: .44
Rate of fire: 12-14 rounds per minute
Effective range: 200-300 yards

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Navy

Many Army weapons are in use in the Navy and are denoted with their name. For example, an M1846 Rifle would be known as a "M1846 Navy Rifle" to denote the difference.

Specialized Repeating Arms. In use on Naval Vessels and with Imperial Marines. Dated at 1848

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[Zgraja]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the M stands for in weapons designations such as M16, M203, M4 and so on? I know the answer, just wondering if anyone else does. Although I am sure the M in Neros' post stating M1846 stands for Model, this is not the case in the weapons I mentioned previously.

[Neros]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the M stands for in weapons designations such as M16, M203, M4 and so on? I know the answer, just wondering if anyone else does. Although I am sure the M in Neros' post stating M1846 stands for Model, this is not the case in the weapons I mentioned previously.

I actually looked this up as well, haha. It does in fact stand for Model for all of them.

Mine stands for Modell, which is Swedish for "Model", because I'm that picky.

EDIT: "T" is also used, usually meaning Type. Like T-72 means Type 72, etc. "P" could be used for Pistol or Project.

[FPCCOS]

Soodean, you've asked the Sultan to send 100,000 men to aid the Qirim, but our entire army is only 75,000 and we are expanding slowly to allow the army to retain its quality.

I would be able to help by fighting a proxy war but currently Russia has no African alllies.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Soodean, you've asked the Sultan to send 100,000 men to aid the Qirim, but our entire army is only 75,000 and we are expanding slowly to allow the army to retain its quality.

I would be able to help by fighting a proxy war but currently Russia has no African alllies.

I didn't mean your current soldiers - just volunteers from the general population. 75,000 out of a 22.3 million population is only 0.3% out of a maximum 5%, so you have a lot of spare youths to recruit. Also, Prussia will provide their weapons and equipment, so it shouldn't affect your current army's quality.

Still, if you want to negotiate the numbers down, that's fine - I figured that because you're surrounded by allies it would be a more direct way for you to contribute to the war, but you aren't required to agree.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Soodean, you've asked the Sultan to send 100,000 men to aid the Qirim, but our entire army is only 75,000 and we are expanding slowly to allow the army to retain its quality.

I would be able to help by fighting a proxy war but currently Russia has no African alllies.

I'll write a post soon, after which you can agree with our contract of weaponry. After that contract, you can supply your men with Model 1849 Musket-Rifles, a very modern design. Maybe a bit outdated compared to Dreyse Needles, but percussion capped rifled muskets with Minié balls still pack a punch.

[Dwartzur]

Did anything ever get decided for the Hansa? Are we waiting for that rper to return or are they gonna go npc?

This, and Photana (Aztec guy) also dropped. What now?

[Tyben]

You know, it isn't wise to hop on the band wagon, Landenburg. I hope you like modernized armies marching into your land and burning everything to the ground and establishing a new Mongol-based regime.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You know, it isn't wise to hop on the band wagon, Landenburg. I hope you like modernized armies marching into your land and burning everything to the ground and establishing a new Mongol-based regime.

Watch out for Typhoons.

[Tyben]

You know, it isn't wise to hop on the band wagon, Landenburg. I hope you like modernized armies marching into your land and burning everything to the ground and establishing a new Mongol-based regime.

Watch out for Typhoons.

Typhoons?! TYPHOONS!?!? MONGOLOID RAIDS EVERYWHERE... Lol

[Halleon]

Did anything ever get decided for the Hansa? Are we waiting for that rper to return or are they gonna go npc?

This, and Photana (Aztec guy) also dropped. What now?

Great question and then there's Britain and Spain, I've talked to Leo who use to rp as Britain I'm pretty sure hes lost interest and isn't coming back then whoever is Spain hasn't posted anything in IC that I know of.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Sorry for the short and very rude mentioning of the letters from Prussia, Africa and Turkey/Greece. I have little time here, and I need every minute to write the rest of the story.

[Fortunagen]

I've been thinking about how we can replace these inactives in the next time skip, and I've concluded we are going to seriously have to revamp the application process and get some new members, but we can all keep the current nations, sound good?