Smoke and Steel: An alt-history RP (OOC/Now Closed)

[Dwartzur]

If your nation was forced out of Anatolia we would fight to maintain your nation as it is an important ally. If you decided to play as one of your colonies and people took over your land the Sassanians 'out of good will' could take control of your Agean islands to protect the people who could not escape. Some bull like that, this is only if you abandon playing as Ionia and start playing as one of your colonies. Basicallly if you switch over to a colonial nation and your land is up for grabs I could take over your islands in the Agean Sea.
I am always looking for a way to further myself in RPs.

If that happens I grab the rest of Turkey (just saying)

Looks like we have a deal.

[Blassland]

I would really like to advance myself further into the European continent, but it is unlikely that we (unless more nations fight Russia) will inflict a major defeat upon Russia so this is my best bet in furthering my empire in Europe

[Neros]

Incoming IC post. Will respond to TG's in a second.

[Alleniana]

I'm just going to keep blobbing around in Africa.

[Tyben]

I see where your loyalties lie Neros.

[Fortunagen]

Sorry guys my laptop's been down the last couple of days and might be for a few more, so I won't be able to RP. Guess the fertilizer projects will have to wait.

[Halleon]

Sorry guys my laptop's been down the last couple of days and might be for a few more, so I won't be able to RP. Guess the fertilizer projects will have to wait.

I still gotta respond to that fertilizer project message was gonna do that today but ended up going to a fair instead and haven't been online much today.

[Blassland]

@Tyben,
I do not doubt that fortifications could have been set up along the border in Central Asia, I am just wondering what quality you think they will be and how much of the border is spanned by the defenses
Honestly it would be impossible to completely fortify such an extensive border, but you also would not need to defend all of it, only the parts near my forts.... I am going to assume you have plenty of defenses, 1-2/3 of which are low quality

[Tyben]

@Tyben,
I do not doubt that fortifications could have been set up along the border in Central Asia, I am just wondering what quality you think they will be and how much of the border is spanned by the defenses
Honestly it would be impossible to completely fortify such an extensive border, but you also would not need to defend all of it, only the parts near my forts.... I am going to assume you have plenty of defenses, 1-2/3 of which are low quality

It's a series of forts/fortified encampments with listening and observation posts spanning the border in between them, there are however, a large amount of low level earth works and other defenses spanning the border, such as caltrop fields, trenches, and such, especially along strategic areas and areas like mountain passes, where it is likely the enemy force will try to attack.

It is rather easy for a small force to fend off a very much larger enemy force in an entrenched or fortified position.

[Blassland]

@Tyben, I thought these were exclusively in Central Asia which is mostly steppe, thats what I got from your post anyways, not sure about the Status of trenches in warfare at the moment, but otherwise that sounds reasonable enough and would definitely slow an army down unless they spammed the defenses with men (too many casualties for that strategy)

[Tyben]

@Tyben, I thought these were exclusively in Central Asia which is mostly steppe, thats what I got from your post anyways, not sure about the Status of trenches in warfare at the moment, but otherwise that sounds reasonable enough and would definitely slow an army down unless they spammed the defenses with men (too many casualties for that strategy)

No, it spans all of the borders we share, it was just that that one field marshal was in central asia. As far as trench warfare, it is very prominent at this time period, it was used extensively by the Mexican Army during the Texas War of Independence.

[Blassland]

No, it spans all of the borders we share, it was just that that one field marshal was in central asia. As far as trench warfare, it is very prominent at this time period, it was used extensively by the Mexican Army during the Texas War of Independence.

lol that worked out well for Mexico
Either way it`ll be an interesting fight.

[Tyben]

No, it spans all of the borders we share, it was just that that one field marshal was in central asia. As far as trench warfare, it is very prominent at this time period, it was used extensively by the Mexican Army during the Texas War of Independence.

lol that worked out well for Mexico
Either way it`ll be an interesting fight.

The reason why it didn't work out well for Mexico is because they tried to construct incredibly large amounts of trenches within a single day, and their soldiers were exhausted.

[Alleniana]

On the canal, do the shares held by me repay in money each year?

[Blassland]

The reason why it didn't work out well for Mexico is because they tried to construct incredibly large amounts of trenches within a single day, and their soldiers were exhausted.

I am being light-hearted on how it worked for Mexico, were the trenches similar to those of WW1 or were they constructed in a different style?

[Alleniana]

Hmm...
This is a damn lot of trenches.

[Tyben]

The reason why it didn't work out well for Mexico is because they tried to construct incredibly large amounts of trenches within a single day, and their soldiers were exhausted.

I am being light-hearted on how it worked for Mexico, were the trenches similar to those of WW1 or were they constructed in a different style?

Trenches are all pretty much the same, to be honest. Just dig a hole that you can move a force through and use for cover and there you go! You have a trench.

[Alleniana]

I am being light-hearted on how it worked for Mexico, were the trenches similar to those of WW1 or were they constructed in a different style?

Trenches are all pretty much the same, to be honest. Just dig a hole that you can move a force through and use for cover and there you go! You have a trench.

Not really. WWI trenches were larger, wonkier and lower than Maori trenches, which also had less layers, and Napoleonic trenches were barely trenches; more like palisades.

[Tyben]

Trenches are all pretty much the same, to be honest. Just dig a hole that you can move a force through and use for cover and there you go! You have a trench.

Not really. WWI trenches were larger, wonkier and lower than Maori trenches, which also had less layers, and Napoleonic trenches were barely trenches; more like palisades.

I was making a joke...

[Alleniana]

Not really. WWI trenches were larger, wonkier and lower than Maori trenches, which also had less layers, and Napoleonic trenches were barely trenches; more like palisades.

I was making a joke...

The reason why it didn't work out well for Mexico is because they tried to construct incredibly large amounts of trenches within a single day, and their soldiers were exhausted.

I am being light-hearted on how it worked for Mexico, were the trenches similar to those of WW1 or were they constructed in a different style?

The syndrome is spreading. We must set up a quarantine.

[The Blazing Aura]

Tyben, I don't want to start an argument I just noticed something however. In your latest post you mention "The main army" but I haven't seen mention if it anywhere else. Do you mean that the force fighting the Qirim at the moment is merely a splinter force of the main army who are now marching on (and likely to come into contact with my troops soon) or that there's another force attacking from a completely different direction or what?

[Blassland]

Trenches are all pretty much the same, to be honest. Just dig a hole that you can move a force through and use for cover and there you go! You have a trench.

I`m talking conditions, durability, disease, sanitation, this tactic would be fairly new to the world and I expect certain diseases to be rampant once troops are forced to live in the trenches due to battle

[Alleniana]

Trenches are all pretty much the same, to be honest. Just dig a hole that you can move a force through and use for cover and there you go! You have a trench.

I`m talking conditions, durability, disease, sanitation, this tactic would be fairly new to the world and I expect certain diseases to be rampant once troops are forced to live in the trenches due to battle

Ah, a good point.
Perhaps, I will steal this tactic

[Tyben]

Tyben, I don't want to start an argument I just noticed something however. In your latest post you mention "The main army" but I haven't seen mention if it anywhere else. Do you mean that the force fighting the Qirim at the moment is merely a splinter force of the main army who are now marching on (and likely to come into contact with my troops soon) or that there's another force attacking from a completely different direction or what?

The Main Army refers to the troops under Grand Marshal Zhukov, currently, he is at the border region between Russia and Qirim Khaganate, formulating the next stage on the invasion plan. It is actually 10 different armies, not one big one.

Trenches are all pretty much the same, to be honest. Just dig a hole that you can move a force through and use for cover and there you go! You have a trench.

I`m talking conditions, durability, disease, sanitation, this tactic would be fairly new to the world and I expect certain diseases to be rampant once troops are forced to live in the trenches due to battle

Trenches have been around for thousands of years, they aren't really a new tactic at this point. Sanitation is a relatively easy thing to deal with, limestone was used heavily by medieval armies to prevent disease from spreading, that is how most armies probably prevented the spread of disease during the world wars, tbh. And, trenches would actually decrease the amount of disease because majority of war-time disease is borne from injuries, as a fortification, it prevents that, furthermore the climate has a major impact on the spread of disease which is pretty warm for the most of our border.

Trenches are pretty durable, even when they are just massive ditches, because they are made of Earth which is a pretty durable material. However, trenches can't take constant bombardment from heavy artillery, such as howitzer, for extended periods of time, unless it made very durable via like concrete reinforcement.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Trenches have been around for thousands of years, they aren't really a new tactic at this point. Sanitation is a relatively easy thing to deal with, limestone was used heavily by medieval armies to prevent disease from spreading, that is how most armies probably prevented the spread of disease during the world wars, tbh. And, trenches would actually decrease the amount of disease because majority of war-time disease is borne from injuries, as a fortification, it prevents that, furthermore the climate has a major impact on the spread of disease which is pretty warm for the most of our border.

Trenches are pretty durable, even when they are just massive ditches, because they are made of Earth which is a pretty durable material. However, trenches can't take constant bombardment from heavy artillery, such as howitzer, for extended periods of time, unless it made very durable via like concrete reinforcement.

I think the real question is, what's the depth of the trenches? Just waist-deep lines in the ground, or the complex networks of wood-reinforced walls and underground barracks that appeared during World War One?