Smoke and Steel: An alt-history RP (OOC/Now Closed)

[Halleon]

I'm gonna withdrawal then from my OOC bid for shareholding in the canal doesn't seem like its worth it to have invested just for a reduce tax rate, that's gonna change a lot of things and now I'm not as concerned about entering the war on Russia's side since with the Canal the worse thing to happen is I get blocked from it which isn't gonna hurt me much since most of my trade is done in the Americas.

Also Aura I gotta ask why send some 350,000 men to Crimea? Isn't that even with reserves being called into action and the various militia's a big chunk of your military? I mean to me it seems like the best and most experienced/equipped soldiers are being sent off fighting in Crimea?

Edit: How much is the reduced tax rate and with that question how much is the tax rate in the first place?

[The Blazing Aura]

I'm gonna withdrawal then from my OOC bid for shareholding in the canal doesn't seem like its worth it to have invested just for a reduce tax rate, that's gonna change a lot of things and now I'm not as concerned about entering the war on Russia's side since with the Canal the worse thing to happen is I get blocked from it which isn't gonna hurt me much since most of my trade is done in the Americas.

Also Aura I gotta ask why send some 350,000 men to Crimea? Isn't that even with reserves being called into action and the various militia's a big chunk of your military? I mean to me it seems like the best and most experienced/equipped soldiers are being sent off fighting in Crimea?

Edit: How much is the reduced tax rate and with that question how much is the tax rate in the first place?

you already have the reduced tax rate by helping build the canal by getting more shareholders you'd get bo tax rate and potentially get men garrisoned in the forts on either side of the Canal

It's more of a show than an aid, it's showing the citizens of the Sultanate that they're still a big power in the world it's showing the rest of the Middle East that they're prepared to move mountains to help their allies and its showing the rest of Europe that we're no longer constrained by the Pact, and we're acting with our own interests in mind.

I may keep the Seventh Army back then, but I like I said it's a more of a sign to the world.

[Halleon]

I need to get a post up detailing my own military strength and what is stationed where with their numbers etc listed. How much does it cost to get more shareholdings and just by France being allied with Russia I'm sure that has impacted relations between the two of us and France with the Black Sea Pact?

Nothing wrong with making a statement or showing off your military might to the World just gotta remember that those signs are taken into consideration in different ways by everyone in the World. France atleast at the moment is only gonna get directly involved if Prussia does then at that point it will just be a large scale war with everyone piling in.

[The Blazing Aura]

I need to get a post up detailing my own military strength and what is stationed where with their numbers etc listed. How much does it cost to get more shareholdings and just by France being allied with Russia I'm sure that has impacted relations between the two of us and France with the Black Sea Pact?

Nothing wrong with making a statement or showing off your military might to the World just gotta remember that those signs are taken into consideration in different ways by everyone in the World. France at least at the moment is only gonna get directly involved if Prussia does then at that point it will just be a large scale war with everyone piling in.

So long as you don't get too involved with the war on Russia's side the UHS won't pay too much attention to it (so long as you don't openly state it) I mean with the Great Pact the UHS were meant to cut all links to spain but we didn't we merely 'forgot' to mention it.
I'm not too sure about the cost of it really I haven't given too much thought to it.

For the last 90 years IC the UHS has done little more than conquer Cyprus and tried to stay out of international affairs besides the one's affecting the Sultanate itself (the Suez Canal). It's more of them saying "Hey don't forget about us" and reintroducing the idea that there is more than the Sassnians as powerhouses in the Middle East rather than trying to be openly aggressive.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Anyone want to trade with the Kingdom of Sparta?

[Halleon]

Anyone want to trade with the Kingdom of Sparta?

The Greater French Empire is interested in trade, do you want to propose it first or want France to propose it?

@ Aura I'm gonna get a post up later today concerning the Crimea Conflict and what if any type of action France will be taking. Still have the Hansa Conflict to deal with so might just focus on that before shifting my attention to the Hansa.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Anyone want to trade with the Kingdom of Sparta?

Prussia will gladly trade with you, partly by land through Austria-Hungary and partly by sea from the Suez Canal. Best-case scenario, we'd like permission to land colonial supplies in Spartan ports and ship them to Prussia by road, but if that's not possible an ordinary trade deal will do.

[Zgraja]

Just wanted to say (and not trying to fan the flames), I was in the 1st Cavalry division in the US army. There were many time that we had horses used during cannon fire and they do not get scared. Obviously this was during ceremonies and such considering the US army doesn't use horses in battle anymore lol. But still, you can train a horse to not run from the sound of cannon fire.

[Glasgia]

Just wanted to say (and not trying to fan the flames), I was in the 1st Cavalry division in the US army. There were many time that we had horses used during cannon fire and they do not get scared. Obviously this was during ceremonies and such considering the US army doesn't use horses in battle anymore lol. But still, you can train a horse to not run from the sound of cannon fire.

Thank you, that's interesting. I suppose the division know acts as armour (sorry, armor) or mechanised infantry now?

[Zgraja]

Well now it's more or less a mix of all sorts from light infantry to tanks, even intell. The name pretty much just lives on as tradition.

[Glasgia]

Well now it's more or less a mix of all sorts from light infantry to tanks, even intell. The name pretty much just lives on as tradition.

Yeah, sounds like a motorised division. I thinks it's good to keep old names, as you said gives a senseof tradition and even culture or history.

[Zgraja]

The Cavalry units usually have the strongest traditions and richest histories. I even got spurs for deploying with them lol.

[Dwartzur]

I'm beginning to rethink my loyalties and benefits in this war...

Can someone from the Middle Eastern Alliance tell me (or TG me) what I can get from operating against Russia?

From Ionia? Lots of trade benefits. We may allow you to use our island colonies for resupplying when travelling through the Atlantic or Indian Ocean. And we may even give you a gold mine or two in Mato Grosso. Also, I believe you'd be allowed to use the Suez Canal... As most of the people administrating it are from the Black Sea Pact... (Yes, I also invested on it, but the old IC closed before I could write something about it).

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Just wanted to say (and not trying to fan the flames), I was in the 1st Cavalry division in the US army. There were many time that we had horses used during cannon fire and they do not get scared. Obviously this was during ceremonies and such considering the US army doesn't use horses in battle anymore lol. But still, you can train a horse to not run from the sound of cannon fire.

You can indeed train horses to withstand the sound of explosions. In my RL home country, the ME (Mobile eenheid, mobile division, basically our riot police) use horses to break through the ranks of peaceful protestersrioters to knock them out. They need to be able to withstand fireworks, gunshots and dense smoke. But, when a regiment of horses, unattended, is fired upon by cannon, they will probably run. When dragging ordinance into battle, they are particulary an easy target.

But nothing beats the Airmobile brigades. Those guys just drop into the fray without having to walk the long distance. But 1st Cavalry, that sounds important. Your division probably did something impressive. Let's google it.

[FPCCOS]

Just wanted to say (and not trying to fan the flames), I was in the 1st Cavalry division in the US army. There were many time that we had horses used during cannon fire and they do not get scared. Obviously this was during ceremonies and such considering the US army doesn't use horses in battle anymore lol. But still, you can train a horse to not run from the sound of cannon fire.

You can indeed train horses to withstand the sound of explosions. In my RL home country, the ME (Mobile eenheid, mobile division, basically our riot police) use horses to break through the ranks of peaceful protestersrioters to knock them out. They need to be able to withstand fireworks, gunshots and dense smoke. But, when a regiment of horses, unattended, is fired upon by cannon, they will probably run. When dragging ordinance into battle, they are particulary an easy target.

But nothing beats the Airmobile brigades. Those guys just drop into the fray without having to walk the long distance. But 1st Cavalry, that sounds important. Your division probably did something impressive. Let's google it.

Don't forget that I've replied to your letter

[Dwartzur]

You can indeed train horses to withstand the sound of explosions. In my RL home country, the ME (Mobile eenheid, mobile division, basically our riot police) use horses to break through the ranks of peaceful protestersrioters to knock them out. They need to be able to withstand fireworks, gunshots and dense smoke. But, when a regiment of horses, unattended, is fired upon by cannon, they will probably run. When dragging ordinance into battle, they are particulary an easy target.

But nothing beats the Airmobile brigades. Those guys just drop into the fray without having to walk the long distance. But 1st Cavalry, that sounds important. Your division probably did something impressive. Let's google it.

Don't forget that I've replied to your letter

Double that.

[Blassland]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Caval ... ted_States)
The 1st Cavalry Division ("First Team"[2]) is one of the most decorated combat divisions of the United States Army.[3] It is based at Fort Hood, Texas. It was formed in 1921 and served during World War II, Korea, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf War, with the Stabilization Force in Bosnia-Herzegovina, in the Iraq War, and in the War in Afghanistan (2001-present). As of 2013, the 1st Cavalry Division is subordinate to III Corps and is commanded by Major General Anthony R. Ierardi.
- Wikipedia opening article
@Zgraja, thank you for serving our country

[Dwartzur]

Ok, everyone, so I was talking to Soodean about what would happen to a colony once it gets independant, and he gave me a few suggestions:

- If you grant the colony limited autonomy, you could still control it, but less directly (Commonwealth);
- If a rival empire gives lots of support to the independence movement, they could control it, but less directly (Proxy state);
- If it's a very small territory, it would revert to NPC land, but it'd be harder to re-take;
- If it's a very large territory, I could re-open the RP and find a new player.

I talked to him because my colonies will soon have their own lil' separatist movements. I said I also thought about playing as one of my colonies and letting something happen to Ionia so that another player could claim it or it could be taken over by one of you. Though I still have to decide what colony I should play as...

[Blassland]

While I would prefer for Ionia to stay in the old world and would fight to keep Ionia here if you did leave I would like to gobble up the Ionian portion of the Agean islands
Also I have been browsing the map for nice places to colonize, if I am correct equatorial Guinea and the Bahamas are unclaimed
If I am correct I am going to send colonial expeditions to the areas

[Alleniana]

Well as far as I remember the UHS brought it up at the Great Pact conference and I did have plans to invest as I think everyone in the Pact was gonna do. If the Canal gets closed to France or any French Merchants end up shooting themselves in that area and word gets leaked out well I'm just gonna consider that as provoking France into joining the War especially if I invested money into the Canal only to be cut off.

Might be wrong but I'm almost positive all the Pact Members were invited to invest but the rp got cut off before I could actually do any investing the same goes for Ionian League investing.

My view on it was that the Qirim and the Ionians were the two major shareholders, cos whilst it was bought up at the Great Pact conference it was never finalized before the conference close down. So the forts guarding the canal are manned primarily by the Sultanate's Eight Army but also by Qirim and Ionian Soldiers along with free trade through the canal whilst those shareholders from the Great Pact merely have a reduced tax rate for using the Canal.

However with the UHS out of the Pact and unlikely to enter it if it was reforged it does mean that now unbound by the Great Pact itself if a member of the old Pact does go to war with the UHS then the canal is shut to them

@Halleon I must have mistyped something I only have a professional force of 400,000 troops and only 350,000 of them are moving to help the Qirim. and I have 2 million or so Militia helping defend the Sultanate

Apart from thosebig two, I also made a lot of investment; I have more gold with than I do what to do with (jk, does anyone?) and a lot of manpower, which were both put into it. Maybe I'm 3rd biggest investor?

Oh, and I got the impression that shareholding and investing gives you money in the long term (a portion of the profits at the end of each year); is this investment ONLY a tax reduction on the canal? If so, I don't want to; I barely have any trade over there.

[Dwartzur]

While I would prefer for Ionia to stay in the old world and would fight to keep Ionia here if you did leave I would like to gobble up the Ionian portion of the Agean islands
Also I have been browsing the map for nice places to colonize, if I am correct equatorial Guinea and the Bahamas are unclaimed
If I am correct I am going to send colonial expeditions to the areas

...Fight to keep Ionia in the Old World? What?
And I was planning to use the Bahamas, but meh, okay.

EDIT: ...How would you get my islands, and why?

[Blassland]

While I would prefer for Ionia to stay in the old world and would fight to keep Ionia here if you did leave I would like to gobble up the Ionian portion of the Agean islands
Also I have been browsing the map for nice places to colonize, if I am correct equatorial Guinea and the Bahamas are unclaimed
If I am correct I am going to send colonial expeditions to the areas

...Fight to keep Ionia in the Old World? What?
And I was planning to use the Bahamas, but meh, okay.

EDIT: ...How would you get my islands, and why?

If your nation was forced out of Anatolia we would fight to maintain your nation as it is an important ally. If you decided to play as one of your colonies and people took over your land the Sassanians 'out of good will' could take control of your Agean islands to protect the people who could not escape. Some bull like that, this is only if you abandon playing as Ionia and start playing as one of your colonies. Basicallly if you switch over to a colonial nation and your land is up for grabs I could take over your islands in the Agean Sea.
I am always looking for a way to further myself in RPs.

[The Blazing Aura]

I'll get a post up on the IC at some point tonight. Unfortunately someone in another RP linked me to Tvtropes so it may be some time...

[Dwartzur]

...Fight to keep Ionia in the Old World? What?
And I was planning to use the Bahamas, but meh, okay.

EDIT: ...How would you get my islands, and why?

If your nation was forced out of Anatolia we would fight to maintain your nation as it is an important ally. If you decided to play as one of your colonies and people took over your land the Sassanians 'out of good will' could take control of your Agean islands to protect the people who could not escape. Some bull like that, this is only if you abandon playing as Ionia and start playing as one of your colonies. Basicallly if you switch over to a colonial nation and your land is up for grabs I could take over your islands in the Agean Sea.
I am always looking for a way to further myself in RPs.

Oh, this. Okay.

[The Blazing Aura]

...Fight to keep Ionia in the Old World? What?
And I was planning to use the Bahamas, but meh, okay.

EDIT: ...How would you get my islands, and why?

If your nation was forced out of Anatolia we would fight to maintain your nation as it is an important ally. If you decided to play as one of your colonies and people took over your land the Sassanians 'out of good will' could take control of your Agean islands to protect the people who could not escape. Some bull like that, this is only if you abandon playing as Ionia and start playing as one of your colonies. Basicallly if you switch over to a colonial nation and your land is up for grabs I could take over your islands in the Agean Sea.
I am always looking for a way to further myself in RPs.

If that happens I grab the rest of Turkey (just saying)