Game of Thrones: Win or Die [Sign-up, OOC]

[Ceannairceach]

Of course, it's a lot easier to be a ruthless rules lawyer when you write the rules, I suppose.

Lord Monterys is a ruthless rules lawyer despite the fact that he does not write the rules.

I'm so sorry for your oncoming defeats, then.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Killing a Kingsguard for doing his job? Really setting up Bart as the Stannis of the RP, there.

I think you mean the Cersei. Stannis isn't a bloodthirsty nutter.

And Stannis would probably be somewhat nicer to poor Aerio when he wanted something from him...

oh, no he wouldn't.

He'd say: 'The Iron Throne is Tywin's by Right! Bend the knee, or I'll destroy you!'

[Ceannairceach]

Killing a Kingsguard for doing his job? Really setting up Bart as the Stannis of the RP, there.

I think you mean the Cersei. Stannis isn't a bloodthirsty nutter.
Edit: Unless you mean ShowStannis.

Either Stannis, I would think. I'm appealing less to the view of Bart as a bloodthirsty power seeker, and more as a rules lawyer with a ruthless side who wants to see his family do well, based on his most recent post. I'd like to think that Stannis would have done the same if he had the power to, executing those who he deemed traitors on the spot rather than attempt diplomacy.

[Of the Quendi]

Has House Martell formally claimed the throne?

I feel like we haven't seen anything on the level of Stannis' letter to the Realm revealing the Lannister incest and claiming his throne. So far all I have now is the Hand rather limply announcing there is a new king with no details or right to claim.

No, but Grand Maester Gerold's letter would have made clear that there was no clear line of succession and any of the great lords should easily be able to figure out that Tywin and Quentyn's claims are of equal strength.

Problem is, Laerio is not a lamb. And threatening to 'hang his brother by his cock' doesn't make him very happy when he'll hear about it.

And uhm... you must've missed the post. Tyrosh is under siege. Feel free to send me an ultimatum.

He have to hear of it first. And since there is no chance of an alliance between Braavos and the Reach when Tyrosh is under siege (I forgot that) and Dorne probably not being terribly excited about Braavos taking control over the stepstones Laerio is pretty isolated.

The Greyjoys are pretty much decidedly anti-Lannister, but neutral towards the rest of the realm as ever. Sorrick of course wants to rip the Iron Islands away from them all and become King, but he's still got two brothers between him an the Seastone Chair. As for Raddon, if it means he gets to lay low House Lannister, he might just declare for the King in Sunspear in exchange for some goodies, like choice coastal castles and a place for his family in the new order. I've still got to return to Raddon's point of view, but suffice to say he's starting to lean towards fealty over independence if it means he has a better chance of repaying Bloody Bart for his insult.

Noted.

I imagine Lannister might throw his armies at Harrenhal then, to try and force the issue. Or it could end without a decision, leading to war anyway.

The thing I fear is that a GC might lead to endless banter that bleeds the RP from its creativity... I like politics, but some people are more bloodthirsty... A seizing of Harrenhal might indeed be a possibility though.

If we hold a council I will probably decide on a limited amount of RL time it can last before declaring it over (possibly with some dramatic IC conclusion to it)

[Ulster]

I think you mean the Cersei. Stannis isn't a bloodthirsty nutter.

And Stannis would probably be somewhat nicer to poor Aerio when he wanted something from him...

oh, no he wouldn't.

He'd say: 'The Iron Throne is Tywin's by Right! Bend the knee, or I'll destroy you!'

But he wouldn't. Unless it's been changed, the order of precedence for the Targ twins has never been established. Stannis claims the throne out of a sense of law and duty, not personal ambition and opportunity.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

I think you mean the Cersei. Stannis isn't a bloodthirsty nutter.
Edit: Unless you mean ShowStannis.

Either Stannis, I would think. I'm appealing less to the view of Bart as a bloodthirsty power seeker, and more as a rules lawyer with a ruthless side who wants to see his family do well, based on his most recent post. I'd like to think that Stannis would have done the same if he had the power to, executing those who he deemed traitors on the spot rather than attempt diplomacy.

If you think about it, my character is an infinitely bigger asshole...

[Ulster]

I think you mean the Cersei. Stannis isn't a bloodthirsty nutter.
Edit: Unless you mean ShowStannis.

Either Stannis, I would think. I'm appealing less to the view of Bart as a bloodthirsty power seeker, and more as a rules lawyer with a ruthless side who wants to see his family do well, based on his most recent post. I'd like to think that Stannis would have done the same if he had the power to, executing those who he deemed traitors on the spot rather than attempt diplomacy.

Maybe if the law was actually on his side, which Stannis considers it to be. But the matter here is not so clear cut, so instead of applying the law it is a matter of exploiting a political opportunity (which isn't a Stannis thing).

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Has House Martell formally claimed the throne?

I feel like we haven't seen anything on the level of Stannis' letter to the Realm revealing the Lannister incest and claiming his throne. So far all I have now is the Hand rather limply announcing there is a new king with no details or right to claim.

No, but Grand Maester Gerold's letter would have made clear that there was no clear line of succession and any of the great lords should easily be able to figure out that Tywin and Quentyn's claims are of equal strength.

Problem is, Laerio is not a lamb. And threatening to 'hang his brother by his cock' doesn't make him very happy when he'll hear about it.

And uhm... you must've missed the post. Tyrosh is under siege. Feel free to send me an ultimatum.

He have to hear of it first. And since there is no chance of an alliance between Braavos and the Reach when Tyrosh is under siege (I forgot that) and Dorne probably not being terribly excited about Braavos taking control over the stepstones Laerio is pretty isolated.

The Greyjoys are pretty much decidedly anti-Lannister, but neutral towards the rest of the realm as ever. Sorrick of course wants to rip the Iron Islands away from them all and become King, but he's still got two brothers between him an the Seastone Chair. As for Raddon, if it means he gets to lay low House Lannister, he might just declare for the King in Sunspear in exchange for some goodies, like choice coastal castles and a place for his family in the new order. I've still got to return to Raddon's point of view, but suffice to say he's starting to lean towards fealty over independence if it means he has a better chance of repaying Bloody Bart for his insult.

Noted.

The thing I fear is that a GC might lead to endless banter that bleeds the RP from its creativity... I like politics, but some people are more bloodthirsty... A seizing of Harrenhal might indeed be a possibility though.

If we hold a council I will probably decide on a limited amount of RL time it can last before declaring it over (possibly with some dramatic IC conclusion to it)

Again, if you send me an ultimatum with some alternative offer, I'll lift the siege.

[Ulster]

Has House Martell formally claimed the throne?

I feel like we haven't seen anything on the level of Stannis' letter to the Realm revealing the Lannister incest and claiming his throne. So far all I have now is the Hand rather limply announcing there is a new king with no details or right to claim.

No, but Grand Maester Gerold's letter would have made clear that there was no clear line of succession and any of the great lords should easily be able to figure out that Tywin and Quentyn's claims are of equal strength.

Is Gerold no longer sending the letter?

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Either Stannis, I would think. I'm appealing less to the view of Bart as a bloodthirsty power seeker, and more as a rules lawyer with a ruthless side who wants to see his family do well, based on his most recent post. I'd like to think that Stannis would have done the same if he had the power to, executing those who he deemed traitors on the spot rather than attempt diplomacy.

Maybe if the law was actually on his side, which Stannis considers it to be. But the matter here is not so clear cut, so instead of applying the law it is a matter of exploiting a political opportunity (which isn't a Stannis thing).

And that's why I like Stannis. He always does what he feels is the right thing: his duty. And according to my ultimately perspectivistic philosophy, that makes him a good man.

[Ceannairceach]

Either Stannis, I would think. I'm appealing less to the view of Bart as a bloodthirsty power seeker, and more as a rules lawyer with a ruthless side who wants to see his family do well, based on his most recent post. I'd like to think that Stannis would have done the same if he had the power to, executing those who he deemed traitors on the spot rather than attempt diplomacy.

Maybe if the law was actually on his side, which Stannis considers it to be. But the matter here is not so clear cut, so instead of applying the law it is a matter of exploiting a political opportunity (which isn't a Stannis thing).

Well, that depends on your take on things. Obvious Bart thinks that he's doing things for the sake of the realm based on the most recent post, with the added benefit of securing his house's power. Stannis obviously doesn't care all too much about the law of the land as apposed to the laws that predate kingdoms and countries, since he helped Robert in his war against the true King of Westeros. But blood runs deeper than water, so I think parallels can be brought up between Bart's attempt at seizing the capital and Stannis's.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

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[Ulster]

And that's why I like Stannis. He always does what he feels is the right thing: his duty. And according to my ultimately perspectivistic philosophy, that makes him a good man.

http://mightygodking.com/images/ac-gots2.jpg

Well, that depends on your take on things. Obvious Bart thinks that he's doing things for the sake of the realm based on the most recent post, with the added benefit of securing his house's power. Stannis obviously doesn't care all too much about the law of the land as apposed to the laws that predate kingdoms and countries, since he helped Robert in his war against the true King of Westeros. But blood runs deeper than water, so I think parallels can be brought up between Bart's attempt at seizing the capital and Stannis's.

Stannis pretty clearly cares about the law of the land, since that's all he's been talking about for the last four books. Law, claims, duty, etc.
If you want to cite the matter of Robert's Rebellion, Aerys had abrogated his duties as king by slaying nobles without trial and generally being a mad man. Then Aerys wanted to slay Robert despite Robert having violated no law. Remember that Jon Arryn started the rebellion to save the lives of Ned and Robert. Despite all the just reasons for opposing Aerys, Stannis to this day considers it one of the hardest choices he ever made, due to the matter of oaths and law.
So you can't legitimately say he "doesn't care all too much" and persuade anyone.

Bart's attempt, unlike Stannis', has no solid root in law since the matter of the succession is not clear. It's a blatant power grab that anyone can see.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

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[Ulster]

Probably not good to advertise for another RP in an ongoing RP.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

And that's why I like Stannis. He always does what he feels is the right thing: his duty. And according to my ultimately perspectivistic philosophy, that makes him a good man.

http://mightygodking.com/images/ac-gots2.jpg

Well, that depends on your take on things. Obvious Bart thinks that he's doing things for the sake of the realm based on the most recent post, with the added benefit of securing his house's power. Stannis obviously doesn't care all too much about the law of the land as apposed to the laws that predate kingdoms and countries, since he helped Robert in his war against the true King of Westeros. But blood runs deeper than water, so I think parallels can be brought up between Bart's attempt at seizing the capital and Stannis's.

Stannis pretty clearly cares about the law of the land, since that's all he's been talking about for the last four books. Law, claims, duty, etc.
If you want to cite the matter of Robert's Rebellion, Aerys had abrogated his duties as king by slaying nobles without trial and generally being a mad man. Then Aerys wanted to slay Robert despite Robert having violated no law. Remember that Jon Arryn started the rebellion to save the lives of Ned and Robert. Despite all the just reasons for opposing Aerys, Stannis to this day considers it one of the hardest choices he ever made, due to the matter of oaths and law.
So you can't legitimately say he "doesn't care all too much" and persuade anyone.

Bart's attempt, unlike Stannis', has no solid root in law since the matter of the succession is not clear. It's a blatant power grab that anyone can see.

You know, my real account has a link to this: http://easydamus.com/chaoticneutral.html. Apparently I'm Jaqen. Hurrah!

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Probably not good to advertise for another RP in an ongoing RP.

Probably right. I'll delete it.

[San Monteriano]

Can anyone give me an update for the IC so far?

[First Valerian Empire]

Wholly crap.. I started a shitstorm of activity with my last IC post... I hope this means I'm doing a good job? and that you'll invite me to your other IC parties?

I actually wanted Bart to be a Stannis/Tywin Blend with a pinch of Stark love.

As for

I asked the Lannister guy about a marriage and he didn't affirm or deny it.

So, I have reason to believe he will deny it.

Which means that I still have a son open for marriage, specifically to the Martells ...

dis...

I'll respond to this through my next post with Tywin.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Can anyone give me an update for the IC so far?

I besieged Tyrosh. Bart was a dick to my brother Aerio. Robert is fleeing to Braavos, Bart demanded the Stark's fealty.

And more...

[Evraim]

Lord Monterys is a ruthless rules lawyer despite the fact that he does not write the rules.

I'm so sorry for your oncoming defeats, then.

He's not going to be leading anyone. Lady Alessandra, on the other hand...

[Ulster]

Wholly crap.. I started a shitstorm of activity with my last IC post... I hope this means I'm doing a good job? and that you'll invite me to your other IC parties?

Are you kidding? You're my favorite Lannister player. Before I saw this RP I was thinking of starting one and had intended to invite you for Lannister, SM for Tully, Quendi for Arryn, and a few others.

So I'm liking this all (OOC) quite a lot. I'm working on the IC response to the Lion's demand for fealty.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Wholly crap.. I started a shitstorm of activity with my last IC post... I hope this means I'm doing a good job? and that you'll invite me to your other IC parties?

Are you kidding? You're my favorite Lannister player. Before I saw this RP I was thinking of starting one and had intended to invite you for Lannister, SM for Tully, Quendi for Arryn, and a few others.

So I'm liking this all (OOC) quite a lot. I'm working on the IC response to the Lion's demand for fealty.

I just invited the entire gang .

('cept Evraim. It's post Feast for Crows, so that means spoilers.)

[Shadyrya]

Wholly crap.. I started a shitstorm of activity with my last IC post... I hope this means I'm doing a good job? and that you'll invite me to your other IC parties?

Are you kidding? You're my favorite Lannister player. Before I saw this RP I was thinking of starting one and had intended to invite you for Lannister, SM for Tully, Quendi for Arryn, and a few others.

So I'm liking this all (OOC) quite a lot. I'm working on the IC response to the Lion's demand for fealty.

You didn't want to invite me?

*wails in horror*

[Ulster]

You didn't want to invite me?

I invited you in my mind.