Game of Thrones: Win or Die [Sign-up, OOC]

[Of the Quendi]

And I sent you a tg giving you 300 warships. I choose to ignore the 5000 part as that would no doubt have meant that you would have had more naval forces than the entire RL medieval World, not to mention more troops than all of Westeros, possibly even twice or thrice.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

And I sent you a tg giving you 300 warships. I choose to ignore the 5000 part as that would no doubt have meant that you would have had more naval forces than the entire RL medieval World, not to mention more troops than all of Westeros, possibly even twice or thrice.

300 it is.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Blackcloak is not right!

Nice one, Ulster

[Eaglleia]

So is my app being processed? I edited the military strength.

[Of the Quendi]

So is my app being processed? I edited the military strength.

It is, it is.

Summerhall, the Stormlands

Funny you should be so grabby with Summerhall, I thought to ask for it as a dowry for marrying Mika or Julia.

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In order for new players to keep tabs on what is happening I planned on setting up section of the OP detailing what has went Down. It will be sorted chronologically using the BDT/ADT (before and after the demise of the Targaryens) timeline, as well as per region so if people would post what their people has done at what times in this thread it will be appreciated.

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Also apart from the Eaglleia app and the unfinished Clegane one is there any applications I have missed?

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

So is my app being processed? I edited the military strength.

It is, it is.

Summerhall, the Stormlands

Funny you should be so grabby with Summerhall, I thought to ask for it as a dowry for marrying Mika or Julia.

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In order for new players to keep tabs on what is happening I planned on setting up section of the OP detailing what has went Down. It will be sorted chronologically using the BDT/ADT (before and after the demise of the Targaryens) timeline, as well as per region so if people would post what their people has done at what times in this thread it will be appreciated.

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Also apart from the Eaglleia app and the unfinished Clegane one is there any applications I have missed?

Not that I know of, really. After Laerio has converted to R'hllor I'll sum up what he did.
Would him converting to R'hllor give him popularity in cities where it's popular?

[Eaglleia]

So is my app being processed? I edited the military strength.

It is, it is.

Right, thanks, just wasn't sure if you'd seen that.

[Prince-Bishopric Of Liege]

Summerhall, the Stormlands

Funny you should be so grabby with Summerhall, I thought to ask for it as a dowry for marrying Mika or Julia.

oh, but you surely can. I was planning to give it to one of Orys' younger sons as House Baratheon of Summerhall, but a dowry is excellent for me too.

[San Monteriano]

Jesus, gone for a couple of days and we're on 50+ pages. Well done guys! I'll be fully operational by Friday after I come back from holiday. Hope it's going well

[Prince-Bishopric Of Liege]

Jesus, gone for a couple of days and we're on 50+ pages. Well done guys! I'll be fully operational by Friday after I come back from holiday. Hope it's going well

IC has been mostly quietly... I hope your holiday went well.

[Unitaristic Regions]

Jesus, gone for a couple of days and we're on 50+ pages. Well done guys! I'll be fully operational by Friday after I come back from holiday. Hope it's going well

IC has been mostly quietly... I hope your holiday went well.

Hmmm... it's more like the OOC is a raging storm .

hope you had a good holiday

[Ulster]

According to Game of Thrones wiki its half the size of King's Landing while a Wiki of Ice and Fire only mentions it as being the third largest city.

I wouldn't use the GoT wiki as a source at all, and the ASOIAF wiki unfortunately doesn't state how much bigger Lannisport is, only that it is a bigger.

I will have Gerold reach out to the lords of Westeros soon (provided he gets a chance) but didn't you have Artos already do so?

Yes, but that shouldn't stop him from doing what he was going to do, right?

Medieval France had 20 million people on a lot smaller territory yet they could probably not match the Reach soldier for soldier, much less call on half the unified forces of Westeros.

Medieval France also fought its wars differently than Westeros does. Sellswords and its chivalry. Even the French weren't as silly as we Westerosi seem to be.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Okay, so for the ck2 players and Glover-lovers amongst us:

The Braavosi Iron Bank gave me 10000 men, 500 gold coins and a weak claim on the Iron Throne, so I took it. I just have to wipe away a Lannister uprising against my predecessor (Stannis) and the rest of the realm will fall in line under Galbert: because Galbert is right!

[Cheten]

Honestly I can't account for King's Landing, but the Hightowers are said to be able to field a vast host, larger than any other in the Reach. Why KL's large population isn't put to good use could be for a variety of reasons, stemming from penny pinching to the entitled attitude many medieval era capitals seemed to have. As for Lannisport, I don't recall it being mentioned as particularly large in size, considering that it is on the wrong coast. I imagine Lannisport, Gull Town and White Harbor to be not that far in size difference.

So good, Harrenhal. Looking forward to Gerold's letter.

I have always heard Lannisport described as larger than Gulltown and White Harbor but smaller than Oldtown and King's Landing. That it would seem odd for a city with its location to be big I agree with, but one can say the same of Oldtown. According to Game of Thrones wiki its half the size of King's Landing while a Wiki of Ice and Fire only mentions it as being the third largest city.

As for House Hightowers strength I plan on RP'ing it as being formidable but not many times the size of a 10-15k force.

I will have Gerold reach out to the lords of Westeros soon (provided he gets a chance) but didn't you have Artos already do so?

I'd bet on that.

Westeros has amazingly small armies for a continent that probably supports 40 million people.

Medieval France had 20 million people on a lot smaller territory yet they could probably not match the Reach soldier for soldier, much less call on half the unified forces of Westeros.

Ah, I do love when people know their figurative language. lol. Thanks. I'll try to come up with the application as soon as I can.

Signing up for the Frey's will require the consent of SM as the Tully's. You are welcome to make an app but I won't be able to approve it before SM returns on Friday.

Do we list bastards as house members or other?

Entirely up to you. I list people I plan on giving a reasonably significant role and leave everyone else, high- or lowborn, out.

Do I have to add something special to my app? I ask because I want Tytos Clegane to be Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.

The Darklyn guy also claimed that post.

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Also the Volantis app is approved. At the lower end of its military numbers with 40k, most of which will be mercenaries.

Thanks I'll get working on my first opening post. I'm fine with the forty thousand troops but would it be ok if the majority were the troops Horonno has raised? Does anyone wanna summarize what's happened so far I got up to the youngest Greyjoy sitting on his throne with his sister chanting for him to be king which I think Is somewhere on page two.

[Ulster]

And I sent you a tg giving you 300 warships. I choose to ignore the 5000 part as that would no doubt have meant that you would have had more naval forces than the entire RL medieval World, not to mention more troops than all of Westeros, possibly even twice or thrice.

How did you arrive at 300? Seems rather low for the Free City considered the most power, when Volantis alone is estimated between 3-500 ships.

[Cheten]

And I sent you a tg giving you 300 warships. I choose to ignore the 5000 part as that would no doubt have meant that you would have had more naval forces than the entire RL medieval World, not to mention more troops than all of Westeros, possibly even twice or thrice.

How did you arrive at 300? Seems rather low for the Free City considered the most power, when Volantis alone is estimated between 3-500 ships.

Volantis estimates between 1-200 Ships of war... 300 is rather larger

[Ulster]

I'm citing from the books. ADWD page 743.

[Eaglleia]

And I sent you a tg giving you 300 warships. I choose to ignore the 5000 part as that would no doubt have meant that you would have had more naval forces than the entire RL medieval World, not to mention more troops than all of Westeros, possibly even twice or thrice.

How did you arrive at 300? Seems rather low for the Free City considered the most power, when Volantis alone is estimated between 3-500 ships.

I'd have though 500-800 reasonable for Braavos myself, actually.

[Prince-Bishopric Of Liege]

And I sent you a tg giving you 300 warships. I choose to ignore the 5000 part as that would no doubt have meant that you would have had more naval forces than the entire RL medieval World, not to mention more troops than all of Westeros, possibly even twice or thrice.

How did you arrive at 300? Seems rather low for the Free City considered the most power, when Volantis alone is estimated between 3-500 ships.

I think it is a number meant to balance the RP. Braavos in the books isn't very likely to sail out and conquer the entirety of Westeros or Essos. With more ships, Braavos could easily outclass the entire naval forces in Westeros combined, making him an all-dominating power.
This discussion

Frey can only mobilize 4000 and personally I don't think Manderly can call on more than 5000 though Ulster's numbers seem to suggest so.

Oh, I put that number together for Manderly as sort of a compromise between the schools of thought on Westeros.org about Manderly's strength. Some say 5,000, as you do, and some claim as high as 10-15k. We came to the conclusion that since Manderly has the fifth largest city in Westeros, 12 petty lords, 100 landed knights and hundreds of other knights, levies would be significant. Plus being a city it would have access to freeriders and the odd sellsword. I would say the White Harbor area to be the most populous region of the North.

Anyway, so were we settled for Harrenhal for a proposed Great Council?

My main problem with large Manderly forces is that it would stand to reason that whatever Manderly can call can be doubled (or more) by Lannisport and tripled or quadrupled by Oldtown and the capital. Even with 5000 that would make both Oldtown and King's Landing able to call on vast armies, at 15 they could potentially outmatch the entirety of the Westerlands. [/quote]

also applies to relative naval strength, I guess

[Eaglleia]

Though, Braavos has little to no army power to speak of in the books.

[Prince-Bishopric Of Liege]

Though, Braavos has little to no army power to speak of in the books.

They rent sellswords.

[Ulster]

I think it is a number meant to balance the RP. Braavos in the books isn't very likely to sail out and conquer the entirety of Westeros or Essos. With more ships, Braavos could easily outclass the entire naval forces in Westeros combined, making him an all-dominating power.

Fair enough idea.
But with House Redwyne involved in the Free Cities, nerfing the naval power of said cities could be seen as a bias.
I mean House Tyrell is given a muster of 100k, on paper making it an all-dominating power, but no one here has seen fit to balance it out.

[Prince-Bishopric Of Liege]

I think it is a number meant to balance the RP. Braavos in the books isn't very likely to sail out and conquer the entirety of Westeros or Essos. With more ships, Braavos could easily outclass the entire naval forces in Westeros combined, making him an all-dominating power.

Fair enough idea.
But with House Redwyne involved in the Free Cities, nerfing the naval power of said cities could be seen as a bias.
I mean House Tyrell is given a muster of 100k, on paper making it an all-dominating power, but no one here has seen fit to balance it out.

80k to be fair I think. That would take House Lannister and one other Great House to match it. Besides, I highly doubt it the entire Redwyne fleet would leave for the Free Cities, leaving the Reach utterly undefended. The Royal Fleet and The Iron fleet both match whatever the Arbor can muster in size. Any debate on numbers is in the essence quite useless, provided that the relative balance of power is upheld. RP'ing isn't about winning.

[Ulster]

80k to be fair I think. That would take House Lannister and one other Great House to match it. Besides, I highly doubt it the entire Redwyne fleet would leave for the Free Cities, leaving the Reach utterly undefended. The Royal Fleet and The Iron fleet both match whatever the Arbor can muster in size. Any debate on numbers is in the essence quite useless, provided that the relative balance of power is upheld. RP'ing isn't about winning.

That all lends credence to my observation about Braavos, Liege. If the largest land power takes two houses to match it, why nerf Braavos when it does the same? The balance of power in Essos would roughly be the same as in Westeros, i.e. two or three Free Cities to match Braavos. Like you say, RP'ing isn't about winning, so balancing isn't necessary.

[Ceannairceach]

I think it is a number meant to balance the RP. Braavos in the books isn't very likely to sail out and conquer the entirety of Westeros or Essos. With more ships, Braavos could easily outclass the entire naval forces in Westeros combined, making him an all-dominating power.

Fair enough idea.
But with House Redwyne involved in the Free Cities, nerfing the naval power of said cities could be seen as a bias.
I mean House Tyrell is given a muster of 100k, on paper making it an all-dominating power, but no one here has seen fit to balance it out.

Assuming we play logistics fairly at all, such an army would cripple itself merely by moving, so it sort of balances out by us knowing that anyone who summons such a force will have to use it in a few months or risk them all dying of starvation.