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[Acroticus]

Hey Valerian, I got an Arryn waiting to enter King's Landing....

[First Valerian Empire]

and how many will be dining with the hand this morning??

[Evraim]

and how many will be dining with the hand this morning??

I'll have a post up some time this week. Perhaps do a time split?

[First Valerian Empire]

Of course..... the master of laws will occupy the early evening and the little boy will arrive early morning ...

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Of course..... the master of laws will occupy the early evening and the little boy will arrive early morning ...

So, the sacking begins.

[Ulster]

Braavos is attacking Sunspear?

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Braavos is attacking Sunspear?

If you'd read my posts, you'd have seen it coming .

As in:

'Hey, Lannisters, yeah, I'm kinda going to sack SUNSPEAR right now, cool?'

[First Valerian Empire]

yea, hes been saying it for the longest..

[United Socialist Republics of Lupina]

I think this level of "Sacking" goes beyond simple sacking if you're landing men to surround a city whilst simultaneously attacking the Water Gardens which is a few leagues away. I should also point out that the Braavosi only have an interest in Westeros due to their Lannister connection and as such have little interest in House Martell besides Quentyn himself seeing as Martell hasn't officially chosen a side...which is clearly now being pushed towards supporting Quentyn openly now.

Also, this attack has a more Ironborn flavour in it than Braavosi, but these so called "innocents" mentioned would likely be women of the nobility as far as medieval mentality is concerned, the baseborn are practically below mentioning and as such are generally free game. Plus I see little gain in sacking Sunspear when Tyrosh is currently warring with them.

I see a bold attack, but not much of a mentality behind it besides sacking Sunspear for shits and giggles.

Which reminds me, Morton still is in Bravos and nothing has happened there.

[Ulster]

Braavosi vs Dornish makes me think of Venice fighting the Turks.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

I think this level of "Sacking" goes beyond simple sacking if you're landing men to surround a city whilst simultaneously attacking the Water Gardens which is a few leagues away. I should also point out that the Braavosi only have an interest in Westeros due to their Lannister connection and as such have little interest in House Martell besides Quentyn himself seeing as Martell hasn't officially chosen a side...which is clearly now being pushed towards supporting Quentyn openly now.

Also, this attack has a more Ironborn flavour in it than Braavosi, but these so called "innocents" mentioned would likely be women of the nobility as far as medieval mentality is concerned, the baseborn are practically below mentioning and as such are generally free game. Plus I see little gain in sacking Sunspear when Tyrosh is currently warring with them.

I see a bold attack, but not much of a mentality behind it besides sacking Sunspear for shits and giggles.

Which reminds me, Morton still is in Bravos and nothing has happened there.

Wait wut. Martell hasn't chosen a side? How's that possible?

Anyways, the idea is that it can be sacked for shits and giggles. It's complete surprise, and the favor of the only realm that could help or threaten Laerio's plans is very important to him.

And uhm... She kinda arrested Morton. Yeah. I should've made a decision, though, sorry. I'll get to it in my next post.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Braavosi vs Dornish makes me think of Venice fighting the Turks.

Heh.

[United Socialist Republics of Lupina]

Wait wut. Martell hasn't chosen a side? How's that possible?

Anyways, the idea is that it can be sacked for shits and giggles. It's complete surprise, and the favor of the only realm that could help or threaten Laerio's plans is very important to him.

And uhm... She kinda arrested Morton. Yeah. I should've made a decision, though, sorry. I'll get to it in my next post.

I've made it perfectly clear in my posts that Prince Darren Martell has made no official claim of support for his son Quentyn and Quentyn has said as much to the Tyrells, all apart of a grand scheme balance and counter-balance every supporter and enemy that could possibly arise against Quentyn's claim to the throne.

[Of the Quendi]

Tis a good jest

Who says its a jest.

So, the sacking begins.

About that ... Hmm. Sunspear is south of the Stepstones which is being intensely patrolled by Triple Alliance sellsails etc. so it wouldn't come as a surprise (to them; they wouldn't be able to alert House Martell in time though). Also when are the attack being launched, before or after the Braavosi received Sarelleon's latest letter. If before, what is the rationale for launching such a strike while awaiting vital news on a crucial strategic matter, and if after (when the Triple Alliance fleet will have returned to the Stepstones (assuming they win or doesn't loose so bad that they can't fight another battle) you can't very well attack without allowing them to intervene, which they would against a force of only 8,000 men.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

Tis a good jest

Who says its a jest.

So, the sacking begins.

About that ... Hmm. Sunspear is south of the Stepstones which is being intensely patrolled by Triple Alliance sellsails etc. so it wouldn't come as a surprise (to them; they wouldn't be able to alert House Martell in time though). Also when are the attack being launched, before or after the Braavosi received Sarelleon's latest letter. If before, what is the rationale for launching such a strike while awaiting vital news on a crucial strategic matter, and if after (when the Triple Alliance fleet will have returned to the Stepstones (assuming they win or doesn't loose so bad that they can't fight another battle) you can't very well attack without allowing them to intervene, which they would against a force of only 8,000 men.

Ugh. That's about perception of time, but my perception of time in RP's isn't always that sharp, so I'll go with yours.

The idea is that the fleet is near Sunspear. You'll have to fight the fleet first. The biggest part of the army is still in Tyrosh, and unless your ships grow feet you can't very well defeat them .

But I suppose it was after. But uhm... Cheten seems to be gone.

[Of the Quendi]

I've made it perfectly clear in my posts that Prince Darren Martell has made no official claim of support for his son Quentyn and Quentyn has said as much to the Tyrells, all apart of a grand scheme balance and counter-balance every supporter and enemy that could possibly arise against Quentyn's claim to the throne.

Though I think you raise some valid points the "Martell doesn't officially support a Martell King" position is a very complex one that would probably befuddle even people intimately acquainted with Westerosi politics and could perfectly reasonably be entirely missed by foreigners with little to no knowledge of Westerosi affairs.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

I've made it perfectly clear in my posts that Prince Darren Martell has made no official claim of support for his son Quentyn and Quentyn has said as much to the Tyrells, all apart of a grand scheme balance and counter-balance every supporter and enemy that could possibly arise against Quentyn's claim to the throne.

Though I think you raise some valid points the "Martell doesn't officially support a Martell King" position is a very complex one that would probably befuddle even people intimately acquainted with Westerosi politics and could perfectly reasonably be entirely missed by foreigners with little to no knowledge of Westerosi affairs.

Well, I agree. But, it's time to go to sleep, so, have a good night everyone!

[Of the Quendi]

Ugh. That's about perception of time, but my perception of time in RP's isn't always that sharp, so I'll go with yours.

The idea is that the fleet is near Sunspear. You'll have to fight the fleet first. The biggest part of the army is still in Tyrosh, and unless your ships grow feet you can't very well defeat them .

But I suppose it was after. But uhm... Cheten seems to be gone.

Time is rather crucial on this matter. Sarelleon deliberately withholds replying to your letter over a period of time he deems sufficient to fight a battle for Lys and return to the Stepstones exactly to prevent the Braavosi from making it through the Stepstones while Sarelleon is away.

Assuming that you set out from Tyrosh after receiving the letter from Sarelleon, when the Triple Alliance was back in full strength at the Stepstones then the Triple Alliance would either try to block you from entering the Stepstones by fighting a pitched battle to stop you (that action would occur if you sailed directly for Lys) or divide their forces to both tail you while sending a fleet through the Stepstones to relieve Tyrosh and Myr (which would occur if the Braavosi took an indirect route towards Lys, which since you are sailing for Sunspear they would assume you are)

With regards to Cheten's absence I think we must acknowledge that he has went inactive. I will consider the Battle of Lys a Triple Alliance victory and have some casualties proportional to the battle and then move on with things in Essos.

[United Socialist Republics of Lupina]

I've made it perfectly clear in my posts that Prince Darren Martell has made no official claim of support for his son Quentyn and Quentyn has said as much to the Tyrells, all apart of a grand scheme balance and counter-balance every supporter and enemy that could possibly arise against Quentyn's claim to the throne.

Though I think you raise some valid points the "Martell doesn't officially support a Martell King" position is a very complex one that would probably befuddle even people intimately acquainted with Westerosi politics and could perfectly reasonably be entirely missed by foreigners with little to no knowledge of Westerosi affairs.

This is true, it also doesn't help that key players have gone inactive and thus spoiling my careful, complex planning without even doing anything.

As for the "Darren/Quentyn position" I can break it down quite easily.

Dorne is the most sparsely populated of all the Seven Kingdoms, as such, it holds the least levies and is a land more suited for defense/hit-and-run strategies than attacking. As such, Prince Darren doesn't wish to bring the wrath of the Lannisters (or Tyrell opportunism/backstabbing) onto Dorne at the outset of any war, therefore he doesn't openly support his sons claim to the Iron Throne, thus Dorne remains neutral at present.

Darren will not openly support Quentyn and call his banners until enough of the great houses support a Martell on the throne. This is to ensure that Tyrell doesn't perform any opportunistic backstabbing to conquer Dorne. This in co-ordination with the rest of Darren's shrewd scheming is meant to not only win the crown for Quentyn but also counter the armies of Highgarden and the navy of Redwyne should Tyrell decide to remove Quentyn or invade Dorne.

[Acroticus]

I still need a lannister response to Jacob Arryn arriving in rags at King's Landing....

[First Valerian Empire]

I still need a lannister response to Jacob Arryn arriving in rags at King's Landing....

At this very moment the laptop that I cherished so much is sitting uselessly on my desk, where it will remain until I gather the courage to discard it. The device that I know use to post is located at the office I work out of now. I am currently monitoring NS on my android phone, which is no good for posting. I will be posting in around 10 to 12 hours now.

[Of the Quendi]

This is true, it also doesn't help that key players have gone inactive and thus spoiling my careful, complex planning without even doing anything.

As for the "Darren/Quentyn position" I can break it down quite easily.

Dorne is the most sparsely populated of all the Seven Kingdoms, as such, it holds the least levies and is a land more suited for defense/hit-and-run strategies than attacking. As such, Prince Darren doesn't wish to bring the wrath of the Lannisters (or Tyrell opportunism/backstabbing) onto Dorne at the outset of any war, therefore he doesn't openly support his sons claim to the Iron Throne, thus Dorne remains neutral at present.

Darren will not openly support Quentyn and call his banners until enough of the great houses support a Martell on the throne. This is to ensure that Tyrell doesn't perform any opportunistic backstabbing to conquer Dorne. This in co-ordination with the rest of Darren's shrewd scheming is meant to not only win the crown for Quentyn but also counter the armies of Highgarden and the navy of Redwyne should Tyrell decide to remove Quentyn or invade Dorne.

What key players have gone inactive? Only Greyjoy, Stark and Arryn have been replaced and I don't recall any of them being particularly vital to Westerosi politics or Dornish ambition.

I am not saying I don't understand the Martell position what I am saying is that from the perspective of people largely ignorant of Westerosi affairs (the Grynsell regime is new and inexperienced as well as foreign to the Seven Kingdoms) the distinction between Prince Quentyn Martell the Dornish Claimant and House Martell of Dorne is one easily missed. Even for my characters (who gets it) it is seen perceived as an attempt to bide time and if House Tyrell was anti-Quentyn they could possibly have launched a preemptive strike against Dorne in anticipation that the Kingdom would eventually pledge for Quentyn or at least do anything to further his cause.

Anyway, though I too am a bit confused about the rationale for a Braavosi attack on Sunspear its up to Unitaristic Realms. Besides eight thousand Braavosi mercenaries against whatever forces Dorne has behind the three massive walls and possible Triple Alliance naval reinforcements doesn't necessarily sound like an easy Braavosi win.

[United Socialist Republics of Lupina]

What key players have gone inactive? Only Greyjoy, Stark and Arryn have been replaced and I don't recall any of them being particularly vital to Westerosi politics or Dornish ambition.

I am not saying I don't understand the Martell position what I am saying is that from the perspective of people largely ignorant of Westerosi affairs (the Grynsell regime is new and inexperienced as well as foreign to the Seven Kingdoms) the distinction between Prince Quentyn Martell the Dornish Claimant and House Martell of Dorne is one easily missed. Even for my characters (who gets it) it is seen perceived as an attempt to bide time and if House Tyrell was anti-Quentyn they could possibly have launched a preemptive strike against Dorne in anticipation that the Kingdom would eventually pledge for Quentyn or at least do anything to further his cause.

Anyway, though I too am a bit confused about the rationale for a Braavosi attack on Sunspear its up to Unitaristic Realms. Besides eight thousand Braavosi mercenaries against whatever forces Dorne has behind the three massive walls and possible Triple Alliance naval reinforcements doesn't necessarily sound like an easy Braavosi win.

Well, in regards to Greyjoy, they would've been key in either opposing Stark or Redwyne/Tyrell or both, so I would consider them key but also distrustful. Anyways, I don't have a problem with a Braavosi attack on Sunspear; nor will it be a quick and painless or indeed an inevitable victory, I just find it to be not in Braavosi interests at present to risk such a voyage/attack at this particular time.

Also, regardless of the garrison of Sunspear, I have doubts the Dornish populous are passive and thus it will be more a massacre than the Sealord's oddly noble intentions seem to push towards.

[Of the Quendi]

Well, in regards to Greyjoy, they would've been key in either opposing Stark or Redwyne/Tyrell or both, so I would consider them key but also distrustful. Anyways, I don't have a problem with a Braavosi attack on Sunspear; nor will it be a quick and painless or indeed an inevitable victory, I just find it to be not in Braavosi interests at present to risk such a voyage/attack at this particular time.

Also, regardless of the garrison of Sunspear, I have doubts the Dornish populous are passive and thus it will be more a massacre than the Sealord's oddly noble intentions seem to push towards.

House Martell seem to spend an awful lot of time being concerned with House Tyrell when they could try to win the Iron Throne from their actual enemies. Regarding the Greyjoys the fact that we don't have them in this RP is something of a problem as their absence strengthens the Redwyne fleet substantially. I however try to ignore that in my RP'ing of that house, why the totality of the Redwyne fleet has not been sent to the Stepstones.

[Sealord Laerio Grynsell]

I will consider the Battle of Lys a Triple Alliance victory and have some casualties proportional to the battle and then move on with things in Essos.

Sure, but please make sure it has no effects on the other parts of the RP. (Like Essos acknowledged the victory and is rising up against Laerio suddenly).

And I otherwise would agree that it would make more sense to attack the Triple Alliance first. I'll delete my post for now, make it WIP. (I saved it as a draft then deleted )