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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:06 pm

Time Line of History 2000BCE-2000CE
Barbarians from Central Asia arrive on Chariots in the Middle East and Europe, but are defeated by the Defenders. The Defenders reverse engineer these chariots into their own versions. Egypt loses it's status as a super-power to Babylon after a peasant's revolt overthrows the government and becomes the world's first democracy. Only Males over the age of 21 can vote though. No religions develop in this time

The Greeks hold control over the Aegean Sea and are unrivalled in Naval Warfare. Israel is a stable nation Holding Control over the Eastern Mediterranean Sea. Towards the End of the Millennium, the Roman Empire emerges. Alexander the Great leads the Macedonians against the barbarians to the North And West, as well as conquering Byzantium. India Controls all of Modern India. Carthage Takes Control of all of Northern Africa from the Egyptian Border to the Atlantic Coast.

Christianity never gathers a large following as Judaism never developed. Neither does Islam as they built off Christianity. The Romans attempt to form an empire but fail in France, Spain and Britain, leading to the now-civilized people there to Form Governments. The Roman Empire Never Falls. Vikings in Scandinavia Form the Scandinavian Confederation. China becomes a Unified nation. India is still unified. Russia starts to form; as Well as the Irish. Towards the end of the Millennium, the Romans invent Gunpowder.

As The Roman Empire never fell, Europe is Still in a Golden Age. The British, French and Spanish, as religion doesn't divide them, decide to form an alliance. The Mali Empire forms in Africa. The Aztecs and Incans form their empires. Germany emerges, but quickly is defeated in a civil war, when Polish people wish to form their own government. By 1800, technology was so far ahead of time, that they had reached what we have today. But the World was still in a Golden Age; one that had not ended for 1800 years. It was soon to end. War engulfed Central Europe first, with nationalist movements popping up in Bavaria and Austria. This was soon followed by the Scottish declaring independence from the British. The strange thing was that in this time no one had yet bothered colonising Africa, Oceania or the Americas. In 1945, When Crowding issues finally got too big, an idea was proposed; the EU. This council decided that colonisation was needed if crowding issues were to end. This was the spark; when several nations all claimed ownership in 1960, of the New York Area. A diplomatic crisis ensued, where one of the nations started making an alliance; one of the other nations did the same in response. Tensions heightened until neutral nations persuaded both to end their armed stand off. The decision was made to divide the land into East and West New York. Tensions were still brewing as each of the nations still were greedy for more. The Year is now 2000, and the bubble is about to burst; with a big bang.




Ask yourself, what if history had taken a different course at most major events in the past 4000 years. The answer is in this RP, where you control one of the following nations:
Babylon
Egypt
Roman Empire
France
Spain
Britain
Scotland
Ireland
Scandinavia
India
Egypt
Incan Empire
Aztec Empire
Bavaria
Austria
Poland
Russia
China
Byzantine Empire

The Year is 2000 and it is up to you where you go from here

Rules:
1. I am OP; no one argues with me.
2. Make decisions that are logical. I have made the alt-history myself so that no one can say that "I have an army of Transformers" or "I have Jedi"
3. Choose one of the Above nations
4. Don't just declare war on someone because they looked at you the wrong way. You need real reasons; I'll point it out if they aren't
5. Most importantly, have fun!
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Nation Name:
Government form (if I haven't said it, then I probably don't have an opinion on it)
Why it's that government form:
Population: (Will be higher than usual)
Unique Tech: (Don't say black-Ops 2 or anything stupid like that)


Accepted Nation List:
Me: France
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Postby Epraria » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:14 am

I am going to give this a go.
Nation Name: The Scandinavian confederation.
Government form : it's a confederation.
Why it's that government form: Because the Vikings where more democratic than in real life.
Population: 50 million.
Unique Tech: Advanced War and domestic androids. I am obiusly not saying only Scandinavians have androids but they've have become so good at it that they are the best in androids. Especially battle androids. They need them in order to make up for their small numbers.
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Postby Trapatrical » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:46 am

Nation Name: Chinese Empire
Government form: Constitutional Monarchy
Why it's that government form: The Emperor never left power
Population: 500 million or more
Unique Tech: Dragon Tek (energy efficiency and rocketry)
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:40 am

Trapatrical wrote:Nation Name: Chinese Empire
Government form: Constitutional Monarchy
Why it's that government form: The Emperor never left power
Population: 500 million or more
Unique Tech: Dragon Fleet (ships with non-nuclear ICBMs)

Accepted but no to the ICBMs. I mean something not OP as well. I mean like a tech path that revolutionises your nation alone.

Epraria wrote:I am going to give this a go.
Nation Name: The Scandinavian confederation.
Government form : it's a confederation.
Why it's that government form: Because the Vikings where more democratic than in real life.
Population: 40 million.
Unique Tech: Are you talking about war tech?

Accepted, but add more pop, something like 200 million will do.
Yes and no, I mean tech that is unique to your nation that can benefit it Militarily and Domestically


Oh and btw thanks for signing up; I thought it was dead for sure.
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Postby Epraria » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:06 am

Reddogkeno101 wrote:
Trapatrical wrote:Nation Name: Chinese Empire
Government form: Constitutional Monarchy
Why it's that government form: The Emperor never left power
Population: 500 million or more
Unique Tech: Dragon Fleet (ships with non-nuclear ICBMs)

Accepted but no to the ICBMs. I mean something not OP as well. I mean like a tech path that revolutionises your nation alone.

Epraria wrote:I am going to give this a go.
Nation Name: The Scandinavian confederation.
Government form : it's a confederation.
Why it's that government form: Because the Vikings where more democratic than in real life.
Population: 40 million.
Unique Tech: Are you talking about war tech?

Accepted, but add more pop, something like 200 million will do.
Yes and no, I mean tech that is unique to your nation that can benefit it Militarily and Domestically


Oh and btw thanks for signing up; I thought it was dead for sure.

Ok edited.
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Postby Pantrixnia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:32 pm

I'd like to give this a go as India, but I need to read up on ancient India to see how it will inform this one given most of history didn't happen :P

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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:39 pm

Pantrixnia wrote:I'd like to give this a go as India, but I need to read up on ancient India to see how it will inform this one given most of history didn't happen :P

Okay.
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Postby Pantrixnia » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:31 pm

Nation Name: Indian Federation
Government form: Federation
Why it's that government form: Long history of great cultural, ethnic and religious diversity and a significant political preference towards acceptance over suppression.
Population: 2.0bn
Unique Tech: Advanced Nanotechnology (I don't want to deny other people nanotech, I'm just saying these Indians are really good at it. There aren't any clouds of disassemblers which will melt your armies or anything like that though...yet :twisted: )

A basic history: (feel free to change any of this Red, I'm not sure if "No religions develop in this time" means none anywhere or just not the Abrahamic ones)

Largely unchanged from our history until after the reign of Ashoka. Although the empire Ashoka creates does not outlast him for long, his influences extend throughout Indian history, particularly in the field of political honesty and equality. Between Ashoka and the nearby Babylonian democracy the traditional caste system falls into disfavor. India eventually reunites as a democratic Federation, absorbing much of the territory Ashoka's empire conquered given their now deep historical and cultural ties. Throughout this time the people of India have leveraged their central location between the East and Europe/Africa to become a major economic power, maintaining one of the largest merchant marine fleets in the world.

Ashoka's Empire
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Postby Tyben » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:35 pm

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Nation Name: The Roman Empire
Government form: Aristocratic Absolute Monarchy
Why it's that government form: The line of Augustus was never broken because he had a son, therefore the future of Rome was stable. The people have loved their emperors since Augustus.
Population: 500,000,000
Unique Tech: Genetic engineering and cybernetics
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Postby Neros » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:35 pm

Nation Name: Greek Empire
Government form: Greek Oligarchy
Why it's that government form: The struggle between Athenian Democracy and Spartan Oligarchy is the major backdrop of the entire history of Greece, with the ideals of oligarchy overcoming democracy through warfare and power struggles, but democracy left a profound impact on future governments and has managed to marginalize the power structure of the Empire into the peoples' hands.
Population: 393,567,192 (Populations seem sort've....out of whack)
Unique Tech: Grand Navée* (Best Navy w/Tech in existence - hydrofoils, railguns, the works). Anything to do with the sea, Greece is leading the way.
Land: I'll put a map of what I think should go to Greece, with respect with Egypt, Babylon, and Israel. I'm thinking Greece, Cyprus, the Balkans, Turkey, Crimea, and Armenia with some frontiers with Israel, Babylon, Russia, Rome, and Austria.

* = see what i did thar
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:53 pm

Pantrixnia wrote:Nation Name: Indian Federation
Government form: Federation
Why it's that government form: Long history of great cultural, ethnic and religious diversity and a significant political preference towards acceptance over suppression.
Population: 700M (High technology levels tend to lower birth rates, given the premise of this RP that these nations are advanced as well as fairly even in comparison I've gone from a number which indicates this lower birth rate, as well as a lack of extensive bloodshed or emigration for a result which represents a figure that is lower than reality, but higher than desirable.)
Unique Tech: Advanced Nanotechnology (I don't want to deny other people nanotech, I'm just saying these Indians are really good at it. There aren't any clouds of disassemblers which will melt your armies or anything like that though...yet :twisted: )

A basic history: (feel free to change any of this Red, I'm not sure if "No religions develop in this time" means none anywhere or just not the Abrahamic ones)

Largely unchanged from our history until after the reign of Ashoka. Although the empire Ashoka creates does not outlast him for long, his influences extend throughout Indian history, particularly in the field of political honesty and equality. Between Ashoka and the nearby Babylonian democracy the traditional caste system falls into disfavor. India eventually reunites as a democratic Federation, absorbing much of the territory Ashoka's empire conquered given their now deep historical and cultural ties. Throughout this time the people of India have leveraged their central location between the East and Europe/Africa to become a major economic power, maintaining one of the largest merchant marine fleets in the world.

Ashoka's Empire


Accepted, and there is no religion at all. Technically, Buddhism could still exist as a philosophy.


Tyben wrote:Sign Ups:
Nation Name: The Roman Empire
Government form: Aristocratic Absolute Monarchy
Why it's that government form: The line of Augustus was never broken because he had a son, therefore the future of Rome was stable. The people have loved their emperors since Augustus.
Population: 500,000,000
Unique Tech: Genetic engineering and cybernetics


No to that population, otherwise accepted. Maybe 100 million max, cause it is just Italy.

Neros wrote:Nation Name: Greek Empire
Government form: Greek Oligarchy
Why it's that government form: The struggle between Athenian Democracy and Spartan Oligarchy is the major backdrop of the entire history of Greece, with the ideals of oligarchy overcoming democracy through warfare and power struggles, but democracy left a profound impact on future governments and has managed to marginalize the power structure of the Empire into the peoples' hands.
Population: 393,567,192 (Populations seem sort've....out of whack)
Unique Tech: Grand Navée* (Best Navy w/Tech in existence - hydrofoils, railguns, the works). Anything to do with the sea, Greece is leading the way.
Land: I'll put a map of what I think should go to Greece, with respect with Egypt, Babylon, and Israel. I'm thinking Greece, Cyprus, the Balkans, Turkey, Crimea, and Armenia with some frontiers with Israel, Babylon, Russia, Rome, and Austria.

* = see what i did thar


Government form, History and Tech is good, but Population, I'd say add up like Everything South West of European Istanbul. Here's a list of nations, Croatia, Serbia, Romania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Kosovo, Albania, Greece. Cause Greece moved North West and a little bit east. Crimea is WAY too far. Armenia, I wouldn't say so, cause then we still have the Byzantines/Ottomans
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Postby Neros » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:38 am

Reddogkeno101 wrote:

Tyben wrote:Sign Ups:
Nation Name: The Roman Empire
Government form: Aristocratic Absolute Monarchy
Why it's that government form: The line of Augustus was never broken because he had a son, therefore the future of Rome was stable. The people have loved their emperors since Augustus.
Population: 500,000,000
Unique Tech: Genetic engineering and cybernetics


No to that population, otherwise accepted. Maybe 100 million max, cause it is just Italy.

Neros wrote:Nation Name: Greek Empire
Government form: Greek Oligarchy
Why it's that government form: The struggle between Athenian Democracy and Spartan Oligarchy is the major backdrop of the entire history of Greece, with the ideals of oligarchy overcoming democracy through warfare and power struggles, but democracy left a profound impact on future governments and has managed to marginalize the power structure of the Empire into the peoples' hands.
Population: 393,567,192 (Populations seem sort've....out of whack)
Unique Tech: Grand Navée* (Best Navy w/Tech in existence - hydrofoils, railguns, the works). Anything to do with the sea, Greece is leading the way.
Land: I'll put a map of what I think should go to Greece, with respect with Egypt, Babylon, and Israel. I'm thinking Greece, Cyprus, the Balkans, Turkey, Crimea, and Armenia with some frontiers with Israel, Babylon, Russia, Rome, and Austria.

* = see what i did thar


Government form, History and Tech is good, but Population, I'd say add up like Everything South West of European Istanbul. Here's a list of nations, Croatia, Serbia, Romania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Kosovo, Albania, Greece. Cause Greece moved North West and a little bit east. Crimea is WAY too far. Armenia, I wouldn't say so, cause then we still have the Byzantines/Ottomans


Oh, alright. Sounds good. Do you have a map of the world already drawn up? If we never get a Byzantine, I'd love to have parts of Anatolia due to the Megali Idea.

On the population note, Scandinavia has 200,000,000 people when it's population has always generally been low (as a whole, it's about 25 million people right now) so I was thinking that populations needed to be raised on that percentage, which is about 800%. I'll amend it nonetheless.

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Postby Pantrixnia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:31 am

Neros wrote:
Reddogkeno101 wrote:



No to that population, otherwise accepted. Maybe 100 million max, cause it is just Italy.



Government form, History and Tech is good, but Population, I'd say add up like Everything South West of European Istanbul. Here's a list of nations, Croatia, Serbia, Romania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Kosovo, Albania, Greece. Cause Greece moved North West and a little bit east. Crimea is WAY too far. Armenia, I wouldn't say so, cause then we still have the Byzantines/Ottomans


Oh, alright. Sounds good. Do you have a map of the world already drawn up? If we never get a Byzantine, I'd love to have parts of Anatolia due to the Megali Idea.

On the population note, Scandinavia has 200,000,000 people when it's population has always generally been low (as a whole, it's about 25 million people right now) so I was thinking that populations needed to be raised on that percentage, which is about 800%. I'll amend it nonetheless.


Well the Byzantines are a playable nation in the OP, though it may be better not to have them anyway. Byzantium was only made important by the Romans, and since they never broke out of Italy in this timeline the area would most likely have been split by the Greeks/Babylonians.

As for population,I'm a little confused also. But we don't know much about the general tech level either, so possibly there are arcologies or aquatic colonies or some other solution. On another tech related issue I'm wondering how much of a presence in space these people have since they're at least two centuries ahead of us.

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Postby Epraria » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:28 am

Should i have drones or androids?
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:09 am

Okay, to address everyone's concerns,

Firstly, what Pantrixnia said. You can Have It up to Ankara and we'll make that the Border between Greece and Babylon.

Secondly, population thing, if no one had colonised America, then populations would be about doubled in Europe alone. Also considering this has tech 200 years ahead of us, then the birth rate would have slowed down. Therefore, get real pops and times by 1.75.

Thirdly, on to the tech. Well, I am not going to go and rip off some other futuristic thing, so no to anyone who even says black ops 2. My idea is that it would be a technology that has grown off one technology already in existence today, and from there they found something unique, that could be used for non-military and military things. For example as someone has said, drones/ androids. Now I'd say Androids cause that is more unique and could be used for all sorts of things. Also, not everyone can go and say 'I am doing some kind of robotics thing'.

Fourthly, Androids.

Fifthly, sorry, but time zones are a pest, because I live in Australia; most other people don't.
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Postby Epraria » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:25 am

Epraria wrote:I am going to give this a go.
Nation Name: The Scandinavian confederation.
Government form : it's a confederation.
Why it's that government form: Because the Vikings where more democratic than in real life.
Population: 50 million.
Unique Tech: Advanced War and domestic androids. I am obiusly not saying only Scandinavians have androids but they've have become so good at it that they are the best in androids. Especially battle androids. They need them in order to make up for their small numbers.

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Postby Pantrixnia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:48 am

Pantrixnia wrote:Nation Name: Indian Federation
Government form: Federation
Why it's that government form: Long history of great cultural, ethnic and religious diversity and a significant political preference towards acceptance over suppression.
Population: 2.0bn
Unique Tech: Advanced Nanotechnology (I don't want to deny other people nanotech, I'm just saying these Indians are really good at it. There aren't any clouds of disassemblers which will melt your armies or anything like that though...yet :twisted: )

A basic history: (feel free to change any of this Red, I'm not sure if "No religions develop in this time" means none anywhere or just not the Abrahamic ones)

Largely unchanged from our history until after the reign of Ashoka. Although the empire Ashoka creates does not outlast him for long, his influences extend throughout Indian history, particularly in the field of political honesty and equality. Between Ashoka and the nearby Babylonian democracy the traditional caste system falls into disfavor. India eventually reunites as a democratic Federation, absorbing much of the territory Ashoka's empire conquered given their now deep historical and cultural ties. Throughout this time the people of India have leveraged their central location between the East and Europe/Africa to become a major economic power, maintaining one of the largest merchant marine fleets in the world.

Ashoka's Empire


Edited for new pop...So many Indians :o

Also, do we have some sort of equivalents for the Suez and Panama Canals?

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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:37 am

Pantrixnia wrote:
Pantrixnia wrote:Nation Name: Indian Federation
Government form: Federation
Why it's that government form: Long history of great cultural, ethnic and religious diversity and a significant political preference towards acceptance over suppression.
Population: 2.0bn
Unique Tech: Advanced Nanotechnology (I don't want to deny other people nanotech, I'm just saying these Indians are really good at it. There aren't any clouds of disassemblers which will melt your armies or anything like that though...yet :twisted: )

A basic history: (feel free to change any of this Red, I'm not sure if "No religions develop in this time" means none anywhere or just not the Abrahamic ones)

Largely unchanged from our history until after the reign of Ashoka. Although the empire Ashoka creates does not outlast him for long, his influences extend throughout Indian history, particularly in the field of political honesty and equality. Between Ashoka and the nearby Babylonian democracy the traditional caste system falls into disfavor. India eventually reunites as a democratic Federation, absorbing much of the territory Ashoka's empire conquered given their now deep historical and cultural ties. Throughout this time the people of India have leveraged their central location between the East and Europe/Africa to become a major economic power, maintaining one of the largest merchant marine fleets in the world.

Ashoka's Empire


Edited for new pop...So many Indians :o

Also, do we have some sort of equivalents for the Suez and Panama Canals?


well it's 200 years ahead in terms of tech, so they most likely wouldn't need them. They probably built something similar to them. But if you mean strategic trade routes, not sure.

Also to address the other thing, no I haven't made a map, just a mental note of where everyone is and/or written it down.
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Postby Epraria » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:43 am

Scandinavia is of course the nordic nations, Greenland, iceland and Finland but would it also include Murmansk oblast, Karelia and any north American colonies?
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Postby Pantrixnia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:19 am

Reddogkeno101 wrote:well it's 200 years ahead in terms of tech, so they most likely wouldn't need them. They probably built something similar to them. But if you mean strategic trade routes, not sure.

Also to address the other thing, no I haven't made a map, just a mental note of where everyone is and/or written it down.


Transport by sea is still the most economical way to move things about (in ancient Rome it was more economical to transport grain from Egypt than to move it overland from farms on the Italian peninsula).

One of the initial reasons for Africa being colonised was the need for safe ports and resupply points along the trade routes to Asia. Since that hasn't happened here there must have been a reason: while the prolonged peace would have made the 'Silk Road' overland trade route fairly reliable, and transferring goods from the Red Sea to Egypt and then Europe would suffice for a time, I can't really see a reason why something like the Suez canal wouldn't have been built.

I don't want to seem argumentative, but I do want people to be on the same page so there's less chance we'll need to retcon things if it turns out they've been basing their actions on mutually exclusive assumptions.

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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:30 pm

Pantrixnia wrote:
Reddogkeno101 wrote:well it's 200 years ahead in terms of tech, so they most likely wouldn't need them. They probably built something similar to them. But if you mean strategic trade routes, not sure.

Also to address the other thing, no I haven't made a map, just a mental note of where everyone is and/or written it down.


Transport by sea is still the most economical way to move things about (in ancient Rome it was more economical to transport grain from Egypt than to move it overland from farms on the Italian peninsula).

One of the initial reasons for Africa being colonised was the need for safe ports and resupply points along the trade routes to Asia. Since that hasn't happened here there must have been a reason: while the prolonged peace would have made the 'Silk Road' overland trade route fairly reliable, and transferring goods from the Red Sea to Egypt and then Europe would suffice for a time, I can't really see a reason why something like the Suez canal wouldn't have been built.

I don't want to seem argumentative, but I do want people to be on the same page so there's less chance we'll need to retcon things if it turns out they've been basing their actions on mutually exclusive assumptions.


I understand what you mean, but they probably still built them in about 1700/ 1600. I believe that flight would have been the option they used by that date.


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*facepalms* it's in the name, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland. No to the American colonies, because no Europeans, Africans or Asians have yet to go there.
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Postby Epraria » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:53 pm

Reddogkeno101 wrote:
Pantrixnia wrote:
Transport by sea is still the most economical way to move things about (in ancient Rome it was more economical to transport grain from Egypt than to move it overland from farms on the Italian peninsula).

One of the initial reasons for Africa being colonised was the need for safe ports and resupply points along the trade routes to Asia. Since that hasn't happened here there must have been a reason: while the prolonged peace would have made the 'Silk Road' overland trade route fairly reliable, and transferring goods from the Red Sea to Egypt and then Europe would suffice for a time, I can't really see a reason why something like the Suez canal wouldn't have been built.

I don't want to seem argumentative, but I do want people to be on the same page so there's less chance we'll need to retcon things if it turns out they've been basing their actions on mutually exclusive assumptions.


I understand what you mean, but they probably still built them in about 1700/ 1600. I believe that flight would have been the option they used by that date.


Epraria wrote:Scandinavia is of course the nordic nations, Greenland, iceland and Finland but would it also include Murmansk oblast, Karelia and any north American colonies?

*facepalms* it's in the name, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland. No to the American colonies, because no Europeans, Africans or Asians have yet to go there.

Have you forgotten that the vikings colonized Iceland and Greenland? So in all technicality Iceland and Greenland should also belong to me.
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Postby Pantrixnia » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:11 pm

Epraria wrote:
Reddogkeno101 wrote:
I understand what you mean, but they probably still built them in about 1700/ 1600. I believe that flight would have been the option they used by that date.



*facepalms* it's in the name, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland. No to the American colonies, because no Europeans, Africans or Asians have yet to go there.

Have you forgotten that the vikings colonized Iceland and Greenland? So in all technicality Iceland and Greenland should also belong to me.


Iceland seems reasonable to me since it's relatively close to Europe and was even more hospitable in the past. But if we say that the ships sent further west from Greenland to NA were lost for whatever reason, I can imagine Greenland being deemed too far away, too unpleasant, and potentially too hazardous to bother establishing a presence in the past. That said, given that there is supposed to have been a bit of a land grab in the last half century, an outpost may have since been established.

@Red, So what is used In terms of cargo transport besides road and rail? Massive dirigibles? Sub-orbital cargo ships? Since one of India's advantages is it's large transport fleet its sort of important to me ;)

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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:50 pm

Pantrixnia wrote:
Epraria wrote:Have you forgotten that the vikings colonized Iceland and Greenland? So in all technicality Iceland and Greenland should also belong to me.


Iceland seems reasonable to me since it's relatively close to Europe and was even more hospitable in the past. But if we say that the ships sent further west from Greenland to NA were lost for whatever reason, I can imagine Greenland being deemed too far away, too unpleasant, and potentially too hazardous to bother establishing a presence in the past. That said, given that there is supposed to have been a bit of a land grab in the last half century, an outpost may have since been established.

@Red, So what is used In terms of cargo transport besides road and rail? Massive dirigibles? Sub-orbital cargo ships? Since one of India's advantages is it's large transport fleet its sort of important to me ;)



Sorry I haven't posted for a while as have been really sick. To answer your questions, I'd say Iceland and Greenland sure, but no to America at all. Cargo Transport is probably still cargo ships, but internationally they are starting to develop flight for cargo transport.
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Postby Pantrixnia » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:15 am

Sorry, didn't notice this had updated. Anyway, sounds good to me.

Hope you're feeling better.

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