1700's, Rise of the World RP (OOC/Open)

[Alleniana]

Weak ally if they support the enemy of the ally.

No, strong ally, just to those who suit my interests. Sweden has the potential to become a major commercial threat. Meanwhile Russia does not possess that potential. Well it does but it couldn't really surpass me Commercially.

*cough* Spolier alert! Japan defeats Russia in the Russo-Japanese war.

And? That has nothing to do with the Great Northern War and is irrelevant as it may never happen.

You don't stand to gain ANYTHING. You are a south-western colonial power. I am north-eastern land power. My strength is on land with some in sea, yours mostly in sea with some on land. I have no colonies (that I know of) and unless you force me to cede mainland, you can't gain anything but a small payment, because I would endeavour to pay the most to the immediate threats to placate them.

So, good logic, and good luck.

Who said I'm committing troops? Fighting isn't the only way to win a war. I'm more funding and training Russia's Armies to fight you.

Wait...
You think Sweden will become more of a commercial threat than Russia?
I don't know how to argue against that, so okay...

Japan, want to beat up Russia early?

Oh, and this is all assuming that Russia is ACTUALLY going to fight.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

The chain of Tsars was a great one, with Nicholas being the weak link. It was really a shame.

After watching and reading Anna Karenina, I've taken a liking to the Russian Empire.

Even more than austria-hungary?

But they were doomed to fall, Russia was not...well, at least not till Lenin said "Fuck the Bourgeois!"

[Alleniana]

Well, this changes quite a bit. Well, have fun with that. I will hold my opinions on Lenin and such to myself.

I'm related to a bloody murderer! <sarcasm> Hooray! </sarcasm>

Gah, who isn't?

[Epraria]

Val I meant Blas de Lezo.

[Valentir]

No, strong ally, just to those who suit my interests. Sweden has the potential to become a major commercial threat. Meanwhile Russia does not possess that potential. Well it does but it couldn't really surpass me Commercially.





And? That has nothing to do with the Great Northern War and is irrelevant as it may never happen.



Who said I'm committing troops? Fighting isn't the only way to win a war. I'm more funding and training Russia's Armies to fight you.

Wait...
You think Sweden will become more of a commercial threat than Russia?
I don't know how to argue against that, so okay...

Japan, want to beat up Russia early?

Oh, and this is all assuming that Russia is ACTUALLY going to fight.

I'm not the blind, mean, old, and paranoid fool people think I am. I have a brain and I know who my real enemies and allies are.

[Liberated Counties]

The chain of Tsars was a great one, with Nicholas being the weak link. It was really a shame.

After watching and reading Anna Karenina, I've taken a liking to the Russian Empire.

Even more than austria-hungary?

I like Austria-Hungary too, but unless you know your monarchist stuff the Habsburg realm is a freakin' complicated union of states. It's a shame that Serbian barbarian had to shoot the guy who wanted to federalise Austria-Hungary.

[Alleniana]

Wait...
You think Sweden will become more of a commercial threat than Russia?
I don't know how to argue against that, so okay...

Japan, want to beat up Russia early?

Oh, and this is all assuming that Russia is ACTUALLY going to fight.

I'm not the blind, mean, old, and paranoid fool people think I am. I have a brain and I know who my real enemies and allies are.

You're the one who decides them, so of course you are. Only thing is whether your choice is logical...

[Valentir]

I'm not the blind, mean, old, and paranoid fool people think I am. I have a brain and I know who my real enemies and allies are.

You're the one who decides them, so of course you are. Only thing is whether your choice is logical...

Oh? And you think my logic of allying with Russia is bad? And tell me, why should I ally with you? Russia is a strong and growing power, a good ally in the East that suits Spanish Interests, is an excellent trading partner, and can be a worthy ally that I can call friend for a long time.

[Epraria]

You're the one who decides them, so of course you are. Only thing is whether your choice is logical...

Oh? And you think my logic of allying with Russia is bad? And tell me, why should I ally with you? Russia is a strong and growing power, a good ally in the East that suits Spanish Interests, is an excellent trading partner, and can be a worthy ally that I can call friend for a long time.

Actually spain and Russia used to argue about the American west coast.

[Valentir]

Oh? And you think my logic of allying with Russia is bad? And tell me, why should I ally with you? Russia is a strong and growing power, a good ally in the East that suits Spanish Interests, is an excellent trading partner, and can be a worthy ally that I can call friend for a long time.

Actually spain and Russia used to argue about the American west coast.

Russia has no territory in the New World and by the time they do get their either me, France, or GB will have settled it.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Oh? And you think my logic of allying with Russia is bad? And tell me, why should I ally with you? Russia is a strong and growing power, a good ally in the East that suits Spanish Interests, is an excellent trading partner, and can be a worthy ally that I can call friend for a long time.

Actually spain and Russia used to argue about the American west coast.

Also one thing that may be a thorn to the side of Spain by the name of "Alaska"

[Alleniana]

You're the one who decides them, so of course you are. Only thing is whether your choice is logical...

Oh? And you think my logic of allying with Russia is bad? And tell me, why should I ally with you? Russia is a strong and growing power, a good ally in the East that suits Spanish Interests, is an excellent trading partner, and can be a worthy ally that I can call friend for a long time.

Russia is a strong power, but so am I. It isn't growing a great deal; except for the Kazakh lands, pretty useless and a couple other little snowy lumps, there is nowhere for it to expand, and many enemies to expand into its vast lands. But let's be honest, this applies to virtually every major nation. I'm not quite sure what your interests are and how you know it won't violate them, but I can't possibly violate them unless they are particularly odd and convoluted as all I intend to do is control Finnoscandinavia and the lands around the Baltic. They're terrible at trade; they have a lot of fur and a decent amount of metal, plus some grain, but the grain is all consumed, furs can be gotten lots of other places and both the fur and grain are very hard to exploit. And I'm not sure how a person can fulfill the "worthy ally" and "friend for a long time" seeing as they are directly stemmed from the other arguments.

Actually spain and Russia used to argue about the American west coast.

Russia has no territory in the New World and by the time they do get their either me, France, or GB will have settled it.

Not yet, but they are historically on the verge of spilling into Alaska.

[Valentir]

Actually spain and Russia used to argue about the American west coast.

Also one thing that may be a thorn to the side of Spain by the name of "Alaska"

Read above. Russia has no lands in the Americas and I'm not interested in Alaska anyways. If they want it they can have it. I'm not the one who has my eye on it.

Oh? And you think my logic of allying with Russia is bad? And tell me, why should I ally with you? Russia is a strong and growing power, a good ally in the East that suits Spanish Interests, is an excellent trading partner, and can be a worthy ally that I can call friend for a long time.

Russia is a strong power, but so am I. It isn't growing a great deal; except for the Kazakh lands, pretty useless and a couple other little snowy lumps, there is nowhere for it to expand, and many enemies to expand into its vast lands. But let's be honest, this applies to virtually every major nation. I'm not quite sure what your interests are and how you know it won't violate them, but I can't possibly violate them unless they are particularly odd and convoluted as all I intend to do is control Finnoscandinavia and the lands around the Baltic. They're terrible at trade; they have a lot of fur and a decent amount of metal, plus some grain, but the grain is all consumed, furs can be gotten lots of other places and both the fur and grain are very hard to exploit. And I'm not sure how a person can fulfill the "worthy ally" and "friend for a long time" seeing as they are directly stemmed from the other arguments.

Russia has no territory in the New World and by the time they do get their either me, France, or GB will have settled it.

Not yet, but they are historically on the verge of spilling into Alaska.

So you are basically calling Russia a heap of snow? Well whatever. Suit yourself.

[Valentir]

Bottom line Allen is that my interests and current plan, which are not convoluted or absurd, involve Russia. There is not way you could fit into them. You don't serve my interests and I don't really trust you to be honest so yeah. Russia is my best option in the East. Oh and with a little work, Russia could become a lot more than an agrarian backwater. And I can put that work in Thank You.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Bottom line Allen is that my interests and current plan, which are not convoluted or absurd, involve Russia. There is not way you could fit into them. You don't serve my interests and I don't really trust you to be honest so yeah. Russia is my best option in the East. Oh and with a little work, Russia could become a lot more than an agrarian backwater. And I can put that work in Thank You.

You made your post a little bit more friendly.

[Valentir]

Bottom line Allen is that my interests and current plan, which are not convoluted or absurd, involve Russia. There is not way you could fit into them. You don't serve my interests and I don't really trust you to be honest so yeah. Russia is my best option in the East. Oh and with a little work, Russia could become a lot more than an agrarian backwater. And I can put that work in Thank You.

You made your post a little bit more friendly.

Yes. Sometimes my tone can get a little bit mean. However my point is is that until Sweden can prove it can stand up to Russia and beat it in a war Russia will be my eastern ally. However I just realized that I need Russia to actually accept first so this argument has been in vain until then

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

You made your post a little bit more friendly.

Yes. Sometimes my tone can get a little bit mean. However my point is is that until Sweden can prove it can stand up to Russia and beat it in a war Russia will be my eastern ally. However I just realized that I need Russia to actually accept first so this argument has been in vain until then

I'd rather have a guy who is direct to the point at saying something IE: "YOU ARE AN IDIOT!" Than some guy who goes circles trying to say something.

[Valentir]

Yes. Sometimes my tone can get a little bit mean. However my point is is that until Sweden can prove it can stand up to Russia and beat it in a war Russia will be my eastern ally. However I just realized that I need Russia to actually accept first so this argument has been in vain until then

I'd rather have a guy who is direct to the point at saying something IE: "YOU ARE AN IDIOT!" Than some guy who goes circles trying to say something.

What? Let me guess I'm the guy who goes in circles trying to say something?

[Epraria]

I'd rather have a guy who is direct to the point at saying something IE: "YOU ARE AN IDIOT!" Than some guy who goes circles trying to say something.

What? Let me guess I'm the guy who goes in circles trying to say something?

I guess.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

So what happened since I was gone?

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

So what happened since I was gone?

Nothing...I suggest a "battles" thread.

[Epraria]

So what happened since I was gone?

Great northern wars approaches, Dutch supports sweden and Spain supports Russia. Will you me the Dutch?

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

So what happened since I was gone?

Great northern wars approaches, Dutch supports sweden and Spain supports Russia. Will you me the Dutch?

Wait what?
What happened everything was calm last night?

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Great northern wars approaches, Dutch supports sweden and Spain supports Russia. Will you me the Dutch?

Wait what?
What happened everything was calm last night?

Denmark refused to lower the taxes.

[Epraria]

Great northern wars approaches, Dutch supports sweden and Spain supports Russia. Will you me the Dutch?

Wait what?
What happened everything was calm last night?

Well Sweden and denmark hates each other. So are we going to cooperate?