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The Blazing Aura
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Postby The Blazing Aura » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:47 pm

Blassland wrote:
a) I wasn't being serious with the first paragraph, what I said about the military numbers is true, but I wouldn't actually break the non-aggression pact unless you did something drastically wrong. b) Border forts are called border forts for a reason, besides I could still defend the cities if need be. c) those cities each have their own militia, that's a force of 20,000 stationed in their region before you even start to add reinforcements, and because I'm on the defensive I have the upper hand. d) You're not the only person who's getting areas industrialized, I already have areas of industry else how would I be able to have such a large armed professional and conscription force, you can't get over a million muskets through trade alone. e) this is all hypothetical, the paragraph you're basing this on is one in which I'm not being entirely serious, hell I'm known for not being entirely serious. f) I have the ability to occupy as much land as I could, once again you're trying to make up my limits for me, something you can't reasonably do. g) if you're pulling more men into the fight who's going to be running the factories you need to run to get stronger? h) I'll also be stronger, once again you're not the only person advancing in this RP. i) you're assuming that if I did invade I'd do so down south, as you've pointed out you're more important areas (including your capital and main industrialized area) is in Northern Iran and the Southern Caucuses, yet another place near my border that I could take, if I did that's leave you broken and beaten without a leader, you on the other hand have to march through a lot of desert to get near my capital city and in that time I could call back a lot of forces to defend it. You're at a lot more of a disadvantage than me in this one,

But I will once again stress that that first paragraph wasn't me being entirely serious, I do want to open up communications with Kershya, and what I said about military numbers is true if you read you're app your max at wartime is 48,000 my max at peacetime is 50,000. I don't want to be seen as threatening you but I am asking you to stand down from your claims of occupied land that you're sole reason for claiming is little more than not understanding that if someone applied for that land it is their's never mind if you sent an army towards it or not.
Oh and FYI I'm not fooling around in Africa, no more than you are, I'm not only expanding my land into more temperate and richer climates I'm also gaining land which once taken and fortified will mean that the Red Sea and thereby my main anchor point is nigh on impenetrable, whilst both places you can anchor your fleet are still open to attack.

oh and need I remind you that massing forces near my border is a breach of our non-aggression pact.

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A)I am relieved, although I didn't take your word as gospel I did deem it worthy of acknowledgement
B) A large portion of your military is busy in Africa
C) Point acknowledged
D) Industrialization is the main focus of my nation currently (with large European support), your nation seems to be more focused on expansion in Africa at the moment
E) Again I am relieved
F) No nation at the moment has the ability to successfully occupy all of my lands, the same goes for you
G) Around half of my population is male, my army is nowhere near 3.4 million strong so there are plenty of non-fighting men to go around
H) I am not ignoring all advancement of other nations, my post was concerning our two nations in particular. I am growing drastically more modern, but not as large
I) Between the Zagros Mountains and the Caucasus all my soldiers have to do is dig in and fight a guerilla war with full industrial support from the HSE and it`s allies, geographically speaking I am as well defended by natural borders as you are. An offensive war against state-supported guerillas in mountains that run from the Persian Gulf to the Black sea is unwinnable, not that I would have the ability to make much offensive action

You can see that I am re-organizing the military drastically. The Persian Gulf is practically owned by me, I am just as powerful as you are in the Black Sea.
Note: I am responding to your points, aggression is not wanted at all


A) yeah, probably my fault really. You can generally tell if I'm joking if the paragraph/sentence after starts off along the lines of "Seriously though..."
B) True, but overall I still have a large enough army to maintain a decent defence AND I can always pull out of Africa is my front line breaks
D) Once again True, however to keep the expansion going supplies must be made, more ammunition, muskets, uniform must be made, new cannons made horses and camels trained, it's a massive machine going on, and one that requires a serious industrial presence to work. Plus din't forget that I'm still trading with a large amount of nations including you.
F) Point, but we both have the ability to do serious damage to one another
G) Working on the same principle I could call forth a max of 3.75 million men, however you must also remember that only about half of the men in your land are able to fight unless you're willing to send the infirm, the elderly and the young to fight side by side with more able men.
H) I'm staying fairly modern as needed for a large trading Empire.
I) Like I said we could both do huge damage to each other and end up only weakening each other allowing someone else to come in and sweep us both up.
I can see you're re-organizing your military, and honestly it worries me, the men in The Caucasus are a bit too close to the border for my personal liking. Whilst we are on equal terms for the Black Sea the Persian Gulf is a lot more equal, you own the northern side whilst I control the southern and western coastline of it, meaning it's pretty much fifty-fifty really.
NOTE: I too do not want aggression, I got a bit mad earlier and I'm sorry for that, I feel like it escalated a bit quicker than I thought, hopefully we can continue to work peacefully both IC and OOC.
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The Soodean Imperium
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:48 pm

@Glasgia/Qirim: Unfortunately, the Dobruja coastline is also currently owned by Transdanubia (see the OP's map). So, when you thought you were taking over an NPC kingdom, you were actually committing an act of aggression against the sovereign nation of Transdanubia... which, come to think of it, is exactly what happened to me...
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Postby Photana » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:49 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Britcan wrote:You're House Martell eh?.

I suppose that would make me the KING IN THE NORTH!!!


Braavos. We have no power now, but later on all your moniez belong to us.

Also, it looks like the first great European war is beginning to heat up...

Time to sell stuff, and profit.

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Postby Kherkov » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:52 pm

Ublia wrote:Did the Swiss just plop an army in a flash from Switzerland to Vienna? As well Vienna isn't even under siege! The Prussians and my Austrians are fighting north along the Alps...


It seems so. 24 hours is 2 months, the Swiss should do one post about marching there and then they can fight tomorrow.
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Postby Ublia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:53 pm

Kherkov wrote:
Ublia wrote:Did the Swiss just plop an army in a flash from Switzerland to Vienna? As well Vienna isn't even under siege! The Prussians and my Austrians are fighting north along the Alps...


It seems so. 24 hours is 2 months, the Swiss should do one post about marching there and then they can fight tomorrow.


Well I'll put a roadblock down...time to do or die. Long live Transdanubia! And Kherkov send some Spartans to help me hold them back at the Alps....
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:54 pm

Photana wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Braavos. We have no power now, but later on all your moniez belong to us.

Also, it looks like the first great European war is beginning to heat up...

Time to sell stuff, and profit.

*Comes out from corner.*
Hey, could I interest you in some gold?


Hmmm... We'll think about it. You're the Aztecs aren't you?
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Halleon
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Postby Halleon » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:55 pm

A Letter from the Swiss Confederacy
Addressed to: Emperor Charlemagne II of the Greater French Empire

My neighbor,
We know that you have pledged your defense of Transdanubia. We are not at war with you, so please do not attack us, even though we are enemies of Transdanubia. If you attack, platoons, cannons and cavalry of the New Swiss Army will attack your men. But ONLY if you attack.
From, a hopefully neutral leader,
President Harold Furestch
From his office in Bern, Switzerland
President of the Swiss Confederacy


I'm not even going to take this serious and you don't want me to take this seriously, that's a threat that you would regret almost instantly. Yeah Prussia and the Oct Republic might try to help you out but lets face the truth I think my army would steam roll you and you just sent a army away that could have helped you. Also I'm not sure if that message I sent to Transdanubia would be commonly known unless it was leaked or made public knowledge by France or Transdanubia.
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The Blazing Aura
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Postby The Blazing Aura » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:56 pm

I've just realized that I'm going to be dragged into the war with Transdanubania on Sparta's side.

Anyone else for a peaceful solution?
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Postby Halleon » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:58 pm

The Blazing Aura wrote:I've just realized that I'm going to be dragged into the war with Transdanubania on Sparta's side.

Anyone else for a peaceful solution?


I think it all depends if Prussia backs down without trying to force Transdanubania to cede territory.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:00 pm

Halleon wrote:
The Blazing Aura wrote:I've just realized that I'm going to be dragged into the war with Transdanubania on Sparta's side.

Anyone else for a peaceful solution?


I think it all depends if Prussia backs down without trying to force Transdanubania to cede territory.


Sighs. Does the Hansa have to become a peace conference venue? Because we're the only completely neutral nation in Europe.
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Postby Blassland » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:00 pm

Ublia wrote:
Kherkov wrote:
It seems so. 24 hours is 2 months, the Swiss should do one post about marching there and then they can fight tomorrow.


Well I'll put a roadblock down...time to do or die. Long live Transdanubia! And Kherkov send some Spartans to help me hold them back at the Alps....

has Sparta entered the war? I may be wrong, but last I saw they were neutral. I expect them to be apprehensive to Prussian control of the north Balkans though
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Postby Kherkov » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:02 pm

Sparta hasn't entered yet. I want to do the conference first.
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The Blazing Aura
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Postby The Blazing Aura » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:02 pm

Halleon wrote:
The Blazing Aura wrote:I've just realized that I'm going to be dragged into the war with Transdanubania on Sparta's side.

Anyone else for a peaceful solution?


I think it all depends if Prussia backs down without trying to force Transdanubania to cede territory.


Yeah, and that doesn't look like it's going to happen. :(

@Lunas, it now involves the two players in the middle east as well. It's turning into an international event.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:03 pm

The Blazing Aura wrote:
Halleon wrote:
I think it all depends if Prussia backs down without trying to force Transdanubania to cede territory.


Yeah, and that doesn't look like it's going to happen. :(

@Lunas, it now involves the two players in the middle east as well. It's turning into an international event.


It's looking like a rerun of WW1 but a bit earlier...
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Postby Halleon » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:03 pm

I'm thinking Sparta and most of the members of the soon to be Pact will be joining this war and then you Prussia with their allies. It's gonna be a big war which could be fun so its not completely a bad thing besides some nations might be crippled or conquered during and after the war.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:05 pm

Halleon wrote:I'm thinking Sparta and most of the members of the soon to be Pact will be joining this war and then you Prussia with their allies. It's gonna be a big war which could be fun so its not completely a bad thing besides some nations might be crippled or conquered during and after the war.


Today's funny fact- the Hansa hasn't been in a war since 1650, and it doesn't intend to get involved in any.

Because other wise we can't sell stuff to people.
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Postby Halleon » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:06 pm

The Hansa Republic doesn't do a great job at staying neutral what happens when your called upon to honor those mutual defense arrangements?
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"Power is a curious thing...Three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man. Between them stands a common sellsword. Each great man bids the sellsword kill the other two. Who lives, who dies? Power resides where men believe it resides; it's a trick, a shadow on the wall, and a very small man can cast a very large shadow."
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Postby Blassland » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:10 pm

The Blazing Aura wrote:
Halleon wrote:
I think it all depends if Prussia backs down without trying to force Transdanubania to cede territory.


Yeah, and that doesn't look like it's going to happen. :(

@Lunas, it now involves the two players in the middle east as well. It's turning into an international event.

I am only obligated to fight Transdanubania, you are only obligated to fight Prussia
Here is the loophole that guarantees peace between our nations (IMO) :
You are obligated by alliance with Sparta (assuming he does fight Prussia) to fight against Prussia
I am obligated by alliance with Prussia to fight Transdanubania, the war has broken out already and I am not bound by alliance to fight nations that have given their support to the true enemy of Prussia
Let us have peace
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:11 pm

You must admit, it's a little bothersome having a human-player kingdom plopped down right on top of the NPC land you just invaded. Then again, that's what RPs are about - every action has its consequences, intended or not. For every winner there's a loser.

Speaking of which, did anyone see the Qirim Khaganate's last post? They did the same thing, invaded the Dobruja Khaganate, which (if I'm not mistaken) is also Transdanubia's port on the Black Sea. Does that mean they're also involved in this war?
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:12 pm

Halleon wrote:The Hansa Republic doesn't do a great job at staying neutral what happens when your called upon to honor those mutual defense arrangements?


Why, we make a excuse or we don't.

And they can't even attack us back, because the Hansa would be defended by the surrounding nations as the Hansa serves as Europes neutral ground.
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Kherkov
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Postby Kherkov » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:13 pm

The Soodean Imperium wrote:You must admit, it's a little bothersome having a human-player kingdom plopped down right on top of the NPC land you just invaded. Then again, that's what RPs are about - every action has its consequences, intended or not. For every winner there's a loser.

Speaking of which, did anyone see the Qirim Khaganate's last post? They did the same thing, invaded the Dobruja Khaganate, which (if I'm not mistaken) is also Transdanubia's port on the Black Sea. Does that mean they're also involved in this war?


If it is, they are, unless they choose to retcon the attack.
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Postby The Blazing Aura » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:16 pm

Blassland wrote:
The Blazing Aura wrote:
Yeah, and that doesn't look like it's going to happen. :(

@Lunas, it now involves the two players in the middle east as well. It's turning into an international event.

I am only obligated to fight Transdanubania, you are only obligated to fight Prussia
Here is the loophole that guarantees peace between our nations (IMO) :
You are obligated by alliance with Sparta (assuming he does fight Prussia) to fight against Prussia
I am obligated by alliance with Prussia to fight Transdanubania, the war has broken out already and I am not bound by alliance to fight nations that have given their support to the true enemy of Prussia
Let us have peace


Let us have peace then.
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Postby Photana » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:18 pm

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Hey, could I interest you in some gold?


Hmmm... We'll think about it. You're the Aztecs aren't you?

Yes. We'd rather like to get our hands on some modern weapons and armor and horses. And we have rooms of gold, forests of tropical wood, groves of coffee and cacao, and zoos of exotic animals to pay for them. Who doesn't want toucan?
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To round out the picture you appear to be, political preference aside, a considerate idealistic egalitarian with many strong convictions.

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Postby Kherkov » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:22 pm

Ublia, why do the letters anger you? I'm sending an offer of support and potential entrance to a pact.
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Postby Kaamnaayein » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:27 pm

Image

^ That is the extent of Vijayanagara Empire's borders given our four months of conquering.




@Blassland, what Dhananjay Kaur is speaking of is your colonization of the Maldives (which was also ICly meant to land on Sumatra), your raising of a larger standing army, as well as your potential involvement in the European conflict.

e: The edits are because I filled out my own border map wrong. :palm:
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