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by Nationstatelandsville » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:30 am
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:31 am
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I'm feeling somewhat melancholic today - in a "happy for deep people" way, so don't worry about me - so don't expect me to be terribly productive here. Sorry.
by Nationstatelandsville » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:33 am
Erinkita wrote:Nationstatelandsville wrote:I'm feeling somewhat melancholic today - in a "happy for deep people" way, so don't worry about me - so don't expect me to be terribly productive here. Sorry.
I just realised that I have never worried about you. You give the impression of being so self-assured and capable that the thought that you might not be okay has never occurred to me.
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:38 am
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Erinkita wrote:I just realised that I have never worried about you. You give the impression of being so self-assured and capable that the thought that you might not be okay has never occurred to me.
It's less that I'm self-assured and more that I'm quite uneventful.
I'm an average person who occasionally makes angels cry blood for fun.
by Nationstatelandsville » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:40 am
Erinkita wrote:Nationstatelandsville wrote:It's less that I'm self-assured and more that I'm quite uneventful.
I'm an average person who occasionally makes angels cry blood for fun.
The ambiguous syntax gives me room to interpret that angels really enjoy crying blood, but won't do it unless someone forces them to. Like how I resent people who make me go to parties, but I always have fun once I'm there. You are a good friend to the angels.
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:42 am
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Erinkita wrote:The ambiguous syntax gives me room to interpret that angels really enjoy crying blood, but won't do it unless someone forces them to. Like how I resent people who make me go to parties, but I always have fun once I'm there. You are a good friend to the angels.
One tries.
It's happy!
by Nationstatelandsville » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:44 am
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:45 am
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:49 am
by Nationstatelandsville » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:50 am
Erinkita wrote:Because I'm dying to talk about this with someone and there's nobody online to not get what we're talking about, what's your take on Nale's death?
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:58 am
Erinkita wrote:Because I'm dying to talk about this with someone and there's nobody online to not get what we're talking about, what's your take on Nale's death?
Well, he had potential for development after what he did to Malack - that had a very Tarquin streak - so I doubt it will stick.
by Nationstatelandsville » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:01 am
Erinkita wrote:Nationstatelandsville wrote:I choose to believe that you are part of an underground North Irish rebellion against the Queen that is based in Belfast restaurants with cheery names.
If there was such a thing, it would be led by Diamanda Hagan and I would have signed up on day one to be her bootlicker. If there was such a thing.Well, he had potential for development after what he did to Malack - that had a very Tarquin streak - so I doubt it will stick.
But bragging about it to Tarquin and then demanding not to be treated as his son had a very Nale streak.
His plan was succeeding, so got overconfident and stopped thinking ahead. I don't see much of a break in the pattern. Just an inevitable tragic result.
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:10 am
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Erinkita wrote:If there was such a thing, it would be led by Diamanda Hagan and I would have signed up on day one to be her bootlicker. If there was such a thing.
But bragging about it to Tarquin and then demanding not to be treated as his son had a very Nale streak.
His plan was succeeding, so got overconfident and stopped thinking ahead. I don't see much of a break in the pattern. Just an inevitable tragic result.
True.
The way I see it, Malack wasn't a character - he was a device. Rich mentioned somewhere that Malack only came into existence because he had wanted to turn Durkon into a vampire since the third strip.
But, if that's all Malack existed for, it seems strange to me to spend so much time developing his and Tarquin's relationship, which is irrelevant to Durkon - unless he serves another purpose. Nale could've been killed in any number of his schemes and general arrogance, to tack it onto the end of such a personal thing, nearly as an afterthought, seems strange.
On the other hand, if we are, as I suspect, entering the metaphorical "fifth act", this is when people start dropping like flies.
by Nationstatelandsville » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:20 am
Erinkita wrote:Nationstatelandsville wrote:True.
The way I see it, Malack wasn't a character - he was a device. Rich mentioned somewhere that Malack only came into existence because he had wanted to turn Durkon into a vampire since the third strip.
But, if that's all Malack existed for, it seems strange to me to spend so much time developing his and Tarquin's relationship, which is irrelevant to Durkon - unless he serves another purpose. Nale could've been killed in any number of his schemes and general arrogance, to tack it onto the end of such a personal thing, nearly as an afterthought, seems strange.
On the other hand, if we are, as I suspect, entering the metaphorical "fifth act", this is when people start dropping like flies.
I figure this is part of Elan's character arc, although I can't quite get a handle of where it's going.
As I see it, Malack's other purpose was to serve as a catalyst for Nale's death. We've seen all his flaws exposed many times. Now along comes Tarquin to show us exactly why he's like that. And then kill him. I think the personal nature of this story is what makes it more than an afterthought. If Nale had been killed as part of some random scheme, it wouldn't have meant as much.
Also, we don't know what the end of this story is going to be or what Nale's death will ultimately lead to. The most confusing loose end for me is Sabine. I thought her arc was about choosing between her allegiance to the IFCC and her love for Nale. Maybe it's going to be a "didn't appreciate what you had until it's gone" kind of deal, but I still don't know where that leaves her, story-wise.
What do you mean by "metaphorical fifth act"? I don't think I've heard that expression before.
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:24 am
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Erinkita wrote:I figure this is part of Elan's character arc, although I can't quite get a handle of where it's going.
As I see it, Malack's other purpose was to serve as a catalyst for Nale's death. We've seen all his flaws exposed many times. Now along comes Tarquin to show us exactly why he's like that. And then kill him. I think the personal nature of this story is what makes it more than an afterthought. If Nale had been killed as part of some random scheme, it wouldn't have meant as much.
Also, we don't know what the end of this story is going to be or what Nale's death will ultimately lead to. The most confusing loose end for me is Sabine. I thought her arc was about choosing between her allegiance to the IFCC and her love for Nale. Maybe it's going to be a "didn't appreciate what you had until it's gone" kind of deal, but I still don't know where that leaves her, story-wise.
What do you mean by "metaphorical fifth act"? I don't think I've heard that expression before.
In the Shakespearean structure, you spend the first act establishing characters and their basic relationships that will drive them throughout the rest of the story. This is analogous to the early, joke-a-day comics at the first Gate.
The second is when the plot actually starts, that being the arrival of the paladins. And the fourth is when the fifth - the grand finale - is set up. The end of the fourth, then, typically concerns a pivotal plot development that opens up the floodgates.
by Nationstatelandsville » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:27 am
Erinkita wrote:Nationstatelandsville wrote:In the Shakespearean structure, you spend the first act establishing characters and their basic relationships that will drive them throughout the rest of the story. This is analogous to the early, joke-a-day comics at the first Gate.
The second is when the plot actually starts, that being the arrival of the paladins. And the fourth is when the fifth - the grand finale - is set up. The end of the fourth, then, typically concerns a pivotal plot development that opens up the floodgates.
Thank you. I didn't know about this type of story structure, but I think I've been unknowingly using it. Having it defined makes my story intentions a lot clearer.
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:34 am
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Erinkita wrote:Thank you. I didn't know about this type of story structure, but I think I've been unknowingly using it. Having it defined makes my story intentions a lot clearer.
It's the usual story structure - it's just a bit more easily definable. (Shakespeare himself did not always stick to it, either, but that's irrelevant.)
But a lot of people tend to die in these plots, usually very, very, very quickly. Not that Rich is necessarily using it,, it just seems appropriate. (In large part because Shakespeare is always appropriate.)
by Nationstatelandsville » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:39 am
Erinkita wrote:Nationstatelandsville wrote:It's the usual story structure - it's just a bit more easily definable. (Shakespeare himself did not always stick to it, either, but that's irrelevant.)
But a lot of people tend to die in these plots, usually very, very, very quickly. Not that Rich is necessarily using it,, it just seems appropriate. (In large part because Shakespeare is always appropriate.)
We've certainly seen a lot of people dying quickly recently. It seems like part of the purpose of the desert storyline is the wrap up the loose plot threads that aren't relevant to the finale. The Linear Guild, Tsukiko, Gobbotopia and the Resistance, even Zz'dtri being dragged off-panel aaaaaaages ago. It's a pretty impressive feat to tidy up so much and still tell a compelling story. Not to mention introducing a major villain this late and not only having it not seem pointless and forced, but a truly awesome character.
by Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:40 am
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:44 am
Nationstatelandsville wrote:Erinkita wrote:We've certainly seen a lot of people dying quickly recently. It seems like part of the purpose of the desert storyline is the wrap up the loose plot threads that aren't relevant to the finale. The Linear Guild, Tsukiko, Gobbotopia and the Resistance, even Zz'dtri being dragged off-panel aaaaaaages ago. It's a pretty impressive feat to tidy up so much and still tell a compelling story. Not to mention introducing a major villain this late and not only having it not seem pointless and forced, but a truly awesome character.
I imagine that the next book will be spent at the next gate with a massive battle going on, while the Order likely falls into the glowy-door of purple Riftness.
Naturally, bodies will pile up quickly, but I doubt we'll see all too much of the battle.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I have no idea what's being discussed.
by Erinkita » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:03 am
Lazarian wrote:Erinkita wrote:Because I'm dying to talk about this with someone and there's nobody online to not get what we're talking about, what's your take on Nale's death?
I was expecting it, actually.
To be fair, after Thog died/vanished/whatever, the Linear Guild was going down quickly as an antagonist. And, really, were they ever true antagonists? They're basically a version of the Quirky Miniboss Squad (to quote TV Tropes). More for comedy than an actual "threat", per se. Now, as the plot seems to be getting more serious, it's time to wipe those characters off the map and start killing people. Hence Tsukiko's death, and the Resistance as well.
But it was well done.
by Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:08 am
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:11 am
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Nationstatelandsville » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:15 am
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:So I'm now working on catching up on Darths and Droids.
Nat, you were right- they did the prequels better.
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