The Return (OOC/Sign-Up/OPEN)

[Mincaldenteans]

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After reading all that, all I can say is I'm pretty peeved.

If Alt had given a more detailed outline to explain, it may have been added to it for dramatic flare on a lesser scale to kind of thicken the plot/setting/world view.

What I got out of that? 'No, can't be done, shut your face, this is how it is.'

NO.

Jess, as a reminder, do not strike people's ideas down at first light, at least hear it out - from how I'm reading this, it was hastily shot down so the outline stays the same. While I'm not opposed to any of these ideas, I'm opposed to not letting a player try. It discourages them, and Alt has been with us since day 1, he ought to have the chance to say what's on his mind. The idea is to help him. If James' idea got included for Greece, then Alt should be worked with to expand his idea. Its that simple.

We all know Indonesia couldn't possibly take on Australia, or cause a major international incident if it came tapping at the footsteps of the U.K., but Alt did have a point that it can cause hell upon smaller countries that cannot defend itself. Simply shutting him down is not the way to go. If you can't provide an alternative, let Alt provide it. Communication, I know, its suuuuccch a job on itself!

Alt, if you have a more detailed outline for Indonesia, please present it. If you wish the matter dropped, consider it dropped. You let us know.

We also have ONE U.S. citizen in our roster, I'd like Whit to get his hands on the U.S. for the simple idea of creative process - if he wants. If not, then we'll still run with whatever's been put and okay'ed by Lance. There's a whole world out there and while outlines are great (cause I see a few I like in that outline myself!), include our players in it.

As Co-Ops, that's what we do. Or what the hell good are we for?



The link below is Jess' outline. I personally like a few of them, but it can involve our players as well (if they choose):
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=246116&p=18429195#p18429195

[Chedastan]

Just to note in case people didn't know, Tevan's nationality is American, as seen in the roster.

[Jessjohnesik]

I never shot down AA's idea. Nor did I say anything against Indonesia's possible annexation of smaller countries such as, say Brunei, Papua, perhaps even Malaysia or Singapore.

I, am for any possible arrangements by the others, but what I did is realistic at least. Realistically, the US wouldn't cope with the fact that its once huge economy is now much smaller than China's is nowadays. With more than 300 million people(and this is taking place in the future so much more than the current population is expected, with the US' rising population and the highest birth rates in the developed world), people would be faaaaaar from happy due to all of their multitude of benefits would be take away and they would face poverty. This leads to civil war and violent riots.

Realistically, Indonesia's huge population and the fact that it is a third world country without a huge economic crisis meant that it would most likely split up and wouldn't have money for at least some sort of military intervention. Although it is possible, they probably agents stupid enough to get into it.

Here's an update by the way:

Outline of The Return World

UK- Currently under the control of the GEE, which brought economic stability and relative prosperity. All of the main characters are here. At war with France. The Grand English Empire is controlled by Emperor Sydomas, Prime Minister Megan Hunt and the parliament.

France- faces various economic problems and a small civil war in which the warring sides are nationalists, fascists and revolutionaries against immigrants and the government among others. Is hostile towards those it borders. Declared war on the GEE. Paris and Bordeaux are poverty-ridden slums of city-states, their condition worse than the pre-GEE London. France has lost all of its offshore territories except French Guiana, which is only de facto France, but in reality is a complete anarchy with its minuscule population.

Australia- Near anarchy, government manages to somewhat control the territory but cannot stop Japan from invading again and again. Due to the pre-crisis prosperous state of Australia and relative isolation, it doesn't face the overwhelming problems other countries face, but is in bad condition nevertheless.

Japan- Japan is divided into at least three states, one of them declaring war on Australia, China, Papua New Guinea, Indonesia and the Koreas among others. Faces overwhelming difficulties of an ageing population, yet manages to somewhat conserve some of its economic dominance. The totalitarian Japan constantly wars with the two other, more democratic, parts of the country and other countries, notably Australia.

Germany

Germany faces an ageing population and bad relations with France as well as a declining economy and regular violent rioting. It is on the verge of splitting up into smaller states and city states. However it's military has somehow remained more or less intact.

USA

The US faces some of the most severe economic difficulties and rather extreme poverty, also having to keep in line a bloody civil war. It is far from democratic and the government occasionally kills those who oppose it in order to sustain some sort of order. New York and Los Angeles are failing cities that have the crime rate of some pre-crisis African states.

Nordic Countries: Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Greenland

The Nordic Union is the last union or supranational organisation that hasn't collapsed and more or less had stayed intact. Although Finland is somewhat threatened by the semi-anarchic and militaristic Russia while Denmark and Sweden face an economic crisis and Greenland faces a pretty extreme shortage of supplies, Norway and Iceland are perhaps the only countries in the world that hadn't gone past the line, having reasonably good quality of living. However even these two countries cannot be considered well-off any more. However, all in all, the Nordic countries are those with the best fate as of yet, Greece and New Zealand dragging behind slightly.

Russia

Russia is a crime-filled semi-anarchy which is having severe problems with maintaining its territory. Although attempts to boost the population were indeed successful starting from 2012, Russia faces a severe economic crisis. Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakstan and some Central Asian states fully rely on Russia. Moscow, Europe's largest city, faces extreme overpopulation problems as well as crime and poverty. Although Russia has allocated a lot of money to St Petersburg and most importantly Moscow, problems only got worse after riots started to happen on a yearly basis. Kaliningrad has seceded from Russia.

Mexico, Central America and the Carribean

Complete anarchy except Cuba, who is soon to follow the same fate.

South America

Northern South America is in a state of anarchy, although Venezuela does have control over some areas.
Brazil has managed to control only heavily populated areas, mainly the coast, while suffering extreme and severe poverty and economic crisis.
Paraguay, Peru and Bolivia are in a state of oblivion.
Chile, the most stable country on the continent, has managed to form a loose alliance with Argentina, who is on the other hand only getting worse. Uruguay now exists only in Montevideo and on the coast of the country.

China

Once the second largest single economy, China is walking on the edge of anarchy, having split up into many more states. Tibet and the far West are forgotten by the government, while poverty and disease plague the Chinese people, many having birth defects due to the pollution.

India

India is a complete anarchy and facing oblivion due to the never-stopping population increase and depletion of resources. Large cities face extreme poverty especially, but have some sort of government.

Western and Central Europe: Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic and etc

Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Italy face a crippling economic crisis and near-anarchy. Switzerland has managed to stay afloat but faces widespread disorder and closed borders, as does(minus closed borders) Austria, Czech Republic and Hungary.
Meanwhile Belgium and the Netherlands have been off relatively well, forming a post-EU conglomerate between themselves and working together with Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Finland as the last remnants of the once powerful union, but facing an ongoing threat form France.

Greece

Unlike many other states, Greece has seen her economy a little on the rise since the Return. Golden Dawn, the extremist right-wing party, has abolished the parliament as 'A tool of the minority to control the majority'. The brutal Ethnikó symvoúlio, the National Council, rules with a proverbial Topaz fist, throwing all her enemies into ruin. They conscripted many into the army, and planned various public works to get the jobless back to an income. Within Greece, living conditions are not as bad as they could be. The Nevidian population has either been sent to labour camps, or has been exterminated. Some fled, some went into hiding. Under severe economic pressure, and the need to boost weapons production, Greece wants to look beyond its borders for more land.

Middle East

While some Middle Eastern countries such as Syria, Yemen, Iran and Iraq are in anarchy, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Israel, Qatar and Oman have managed to keep away from falling into an anarchy. Although the once fabulous Dubai isn't in the best state and there definitely aren't any new skyscrapers, these countries have kept their economies from failing, be it oppressive Saudi Arabia or relatively liberal Bahrain. These countries have actually banded together, discluding Israel, to make their economies work.

Balkan States, Romania, Moldova[/b]

Not including Greece, the Balkans hadn't had a very good fate. The worst going to landlocked countries especially. However Macedonia can be seen faring quite well, Turkey has almost abandoned some of its Eastern parts and focused on their European and near-European parts, while suffering a surprisingly medium economic crisis. Romania has somehow managed to band together to attempt to make the country work, Moldova has rejoined Romania.

[i]Baltic States and Poland

While Estonia may have fared better with its small population of only two million, it is nevertheless facing a serious economic crisis. Latvia and especially Lithuania are worse off, but have some sense of order.
Poland is near-anarchy, however the economy has been on the rise actually since recently, due to attempts made by the government.

New Zealand and Canada

Both states have managed to hold on to their territories and still have a government, but are experiencing a more than medium economic crisis like the rest of the world.

South East Asia

Complete anarchy and poverty, people face starvation and disease, especially Laos, Cambodia, Burma, Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia. Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia to a lesser extent.

Korea

Korea is near-anarchy.

Africa

Africa had the worst blow. While millions die of starvation and disease, the only forms of government left are Johannesburg & Pretoria Union, Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, Casablanca and Alexandria.

[Jessjohnesik]

Besides, I'd never shut AA up because he's my friend unless he says some serious crap(something he hadn't done and will never do cause he's sane). So I'd not quite get the accusations thrown at me.
James' idea was taken because it was much more realistic, if AA had given a rational explanation for what he wanted to say, I'd have approved of it.

[Mincaldenteans]

I never shot down AA's idea. Nor did I say anything against Indonesia's possible annexation of smaller countries such as, say Brunei, Papua, perhaps even Malaysia or Singapore.

I, am for any possible arrangements by the others, but what I did is realistic at least. Realistically, the US wouldn't cope with the fact that its once huge economy is now much smaller than China's is nowadays. With more than 300 million people(and this is taking place in the future so much more than the current population is expected, with the US' rising population and the highest birth rates in the developed world), people would be faaaaaar from happy due to all of their multitude of benefits would be take away and they would face poverty. This leads to civil war and violent riots.

Realistically, Indonesia's huge population and the fact that it is a third world country without a huge economic crisis meant that it would most likely split up and wouldn't have money for at least some sort of military intervention. Although it is possible, they probably agents stupid enough to get into it.

You're right, you didn't say it wasn't possible. All you said was "No." No what? No this? No that? No, but maybe? Do you see where this might be discouraging. Am I poking you because we Co-Op this on behalf of Lance? Damn straight. We need to keep the kidlets interested, not the other way.

So a hug to you, but a poke to your ribs also!

Yes, this is why I want Alt to explain further, if he does or doesn't, work with him but don't just say "no." Its a very 'end of discussion', hell we haven't gotten off the mainland, we have time to iron things out.

Just to note in case people didn't know, Tevan's nationality is American, as seen in the roster.

This whole time I really thought/view him as a GEE citizen. and also

So we have TWO citizens. Woot. You saw the outline (hopefully), you and Whit can put about your ideas, the land is big and therefore up to planning - we're not there yet so we're in no rush

[Jessjohnesik]

I never shot down AA's idea. Nor did I say anything against Indonesia's possible annexation of smaller countries such as, say Brunei, Papua, perhaps even Malaysia or Singapore.

I, am for any possible arrangements by the others, but what I did is realistic at least. Realistically, the US wouldn't cope with the fact that its once huge economy is now much smaller than China's is nowadays. With more than 300 million people(and this is taking place in the future so much more than the current population is expected, with the US' rising population and the highest birth rates in the developed world), people would be faaaaaar from happy due to all of their multitude of benefits would be take away and they would face poverty. This leads to civil war and violent riots.

Realistically, Indonesia's huge population and the fact that it is a third world country without a huge economic crisis meant that it would most likely split up and wouldn't have money for at least some sort of military intervention. Although it is possible, they probably agents stupid enough to get into it.

You're right, you didn't say it wasn't possible. All you said was "No." No what? No this? No that? No, but maybe? Do you see where this might be discouraging. Am I poking you because we Co-Op this on behalf of Lance? Damn straight. We need to keep the kidlets interested, not the other way.

So a hug to you, but a poke to your ribs also!

Yes, this is why I want Alt to explain further, if he does or doesn't, work with him but don't just say "no." Its a very 'end of discussion', hell we haven't gotten off the mainland, we have time to iron things out.

Just to note in case people didn't know, Tevan's nationality is American, as seen in the roster.

This whole time I really thought/view him as a GEE citizen. and also

So we have TWO citizens. Woot. You saw the outline (hopefully), you and Whit can put about your ideas, the land is big and therefore up to planning - we're not there yet so we're in no rush

As long as it is realistic and loosely fits in the boundaries that I and most importantly Lance's OP have set, I'm most likely fine with it.

Also, it appears I have a way to fix Lance's complete scientific inaccuracy( ) regarding the spreading of Nevidians.

[Chedastan]

Okay, how I will see the US in this. There wouldn't be a civil war, just some incidents with a couple of disgruntled citizens and foreigners. And perhaps a short brush war in Mexico, probably.

[Jessjohnesik]

Okay, how I will see the US in this. There wouldn't be a civil war, just some incidents with a couple of disgruntled citizens and foreigners. And perhaps a short brush war in Mexico, probably.

I'd start a revolution if I was faced with what a citizen of the US would face then.

[Chedastan]

Okay, how I will see the US in this. There wouldn't be a civil war, just some incidents with a couple of disgruntled citizens and foreigners. And perhaps a short brush war in Mexico, probably.

I'd start a revolution if I was faced with what a citizen of the US would face then.

And did they do that in the 1920s and 30s when faced with the actual Great Depression, no.

[Mincaldenteans]

I'd start a revolution if I was faced with what a citizen of the US would face then.

And did they do that in the 1920s and 30s when faced with the actual Great Depression, no.

Factor in a whole population springing up and doubling the capacity on top of a failed economy... fractures would happen.

Civil War? Maybe no, but likely to be 'churning'. Lets see what Whit has in mind if he wants in on it also.

[Chedastan]

And did they do that in the 1920s and 30s when faced with the actual Great Depression, no.

Factor in a whole population springing up and doubling the capacity on top of a failed economy... fractures would happen.

Civil War? Maybe no, but likely to be 'churning'. Lets see what Whit has in mind if he wants in on it also.

Well that's why I said, "Incidents with disgruntled citizens and foreigners."

[Jessjohnesik]

And did they do that in the 1920s and 30s when faced with the actual Great Depression, no.

Factor in a whole population springing up and doubling the capacity on top of a failed economy... fractures would happen.

Civil War? Maybe no, but likely to be 'churning'. Lets see what Whit has in mind if he wants in on it also.

It's possible considering it doesn't have any progress. Just like China and Russia.

[Altito Asmoro]

No, it is okay if I am not make the history of Indonesia. I am not forcing it, although given the current condition of terrorism activities, Indonesia can spread it.

I will just post the history when I can.

[Jessjohnesik]

I'm going to get my eyesight checked again.

Lets hope it isn't that bad. However I'll end up with glasses most likely anyway, just at a later date.

[Jessjohnesik]

Oh wow.

I can't feel my fingers and my Nestea froze while I was outside.
It appears the Russian winter returns.

[Altito Asmoro]

I'm going to get my eyesight checked again.

Lets hope it isn't that bad. However I'll end up with glasses most likely anyway, just at a later date.

Wait, you are going for a date?

[Jessjohnesik]

I'm going to get my eyesight checked again.

Lets hope it isn't that bad. However I'll end up with glasses most likely anyway, just at a later date.

Wait, you are going for a date?

You should know better than to theorise that AA

'Date' has another meaning than the one you're suggesting.

[Altito Asmoro]

Wait, you are going for a date?

You should know better than to theorise that AA

'Date' has another meaning than the one you're suggesting.

Well, what date then?

[Whittington]

Minc-the suspense is killing me!!!

[Phoenix2012]

Wait, you are going for a date?

You should know better than to theorise that AA

'Date' has another meaning than the one you're suggesting.

"Date", as in the Fruit from the Middle East, y'know, the kind that grows on date palms....Obviously...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_(fruit)#Dates

[Mincaldenteans]

Working on post!

Still waiting for Phoenix and Jess to respond also.

[Phoenix2012]

Working on post!

Still waiting for Phoenix and Jess to respond also.

ahh...I'm on it...

[Jessjohnesik]

Working on post!

Still waiting for Phoenix and Jess to respond also.

Hold on.

[Lancearc]

I may get around to having something detailing the state of the world's nations up in the OP soon, unless someone wants to code for me

I have to say the scenarios are well done, if any of you have any more suggestions about the RP's world then feel free to toss them out there - you've been around long enough I feel like you have as good a grasp on the universe as myself by now, I'm sure you've all some ideas that would work. I can't really be as thorough in creating the RP's world as I'd like to, not with the time I'm posting on.

[Mincaldenteans]

I don't mind coding things for ya

So anyone with their world concepts come throw it my way and I'll pretty it up for you so Lance can copy/paste.

Personally, I'd like to create a Nevidian faction that is actually aggressive/hostile, though it is incomplete and will likely be way in the future before its release: I'd just need OP approval