The Return (OOC/Sign-Up/OPEN)

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Wait, am I the only European in this thread? How can I even think of interacting with colonial peasants?

[Lancearc]

Wait, am I the only European in this thread? How can I even think of interacting with colonial peasants?

You're just mad because we melted a statue of the king and turned it into a cannon to kick your ass

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Wait, am I the only European in this thread? How can I even think of interacting with colonial peasants?

You're just mad because we melted a statue of the king and turned it into a cannon to kick your ass

hah, wrong European! I'm Dutch. We helped you gain independence by kicking England's arse back home.

[Mincaldenteans]

You're just mad because we melted a statue of the king and turned it into a cannon to kick your ass

hah, wrong European! I'm Dutch. We helped you gain independence by kicking England's arse back home.

So love us and don't call us peasants thankyouverymuch

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

hah, wrong European! I'm Dutch. We helped you gain independence by kicking England's arse back home.

So love us and don't call us peasants thankyouverymuch

You are peasants! But you are very lucrative peasants.

[Vaxon]

If we are peasants, then why does the US own the strongest anti-nuclear defense system on Earth?

STAR WARS DEFENSE SYSTEM;
BLOWS NUKES UP IN SPACE, SO WE CAN'T GET NUKED.


Although, the US did build a separate control station somewhere in Europe to protect our allies in Europe.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

If we are peasants, then why does the US own the strongest anti-nuclear defense system on Earth?

STAR WARS DEFENSE SYSTEM;
BLOWS NUKES UP IN SPACE, SO WE CAN'T GET NUKED.


Although, the US did build a separate control station somewhere in Europe to protect our allies in Europe.

If you just stayed a colony, like EVERYONE ELSE, we would have the money to build shit like that!

[Mincaldenteans]

If we are peasants, then why does the US own the strongest anti-nuclear defense system on Earth?

STAR WARS DEFENSE SYSTEM;
BLOWS NUKES UP IN SPACE, SO WE CAN'T GET NUKED.


Although, the US did build a separate control station somewhere in Europe to protect our allies in Europe.

If you just stayed a colony, like EVERYONE ELSE, we would have the money to build shit like that!

I for one have to agree, cause I'd like to be a commonwealth citizen, the benefits to it are amazing. le sigh.

[Vaxon]

If we are peasants, then why does the US own the strongest anti-nuclear defense system on Earth?

STAR WARS DEFENSE SYSTEM;
BLOWS NUKES UP IN SPACE, SO WE CAN'T GET NUKED.


Although, the US did build a separate control station somewhere in Europe to protect our allies in Europe.

If you just stayed a colony, like EVERYONE ELSE, we would have the money to build shit like that!

Had we stayed a colony, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, either Germany or Russia would have invaded the earth in Fascist Nazism or in Communism.
Either way is bad.

Deal with it.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

If you just stayed a colony, like EVERYONE ELSE, we would have the money to build shit like that!

Had we stayed a colony, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, either Germany or Russia would have invaded the earth in Fascist Nazism or in Communism.
Either way is bad.

Deal with it.

Contrary to popular belief, the United States Republic didn't win that war. Their production and population did. Which they would've had as British colony.

[Lancearc]

Had we stayed a colony, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, either Germany or Russia would have invaded the earth in Fascist Nazism or in Communism.
Either way is bad.

Deal with it.

Contrary to popular belief, the United States Republic didn't win that war. Their production and population did. Which they would've had as British colony.

I actually agree with this.

[Vaxon]

Had we stayed a colony, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, either Germany or Russia would have invaded the earth in Fascist Nazism or in Communism.
Either way is bad.

Deal with it.

Contrary to popular belief, the United States Republic didn't win that war. Their production and population did. Which they would've had as British colony.

Yes, but since Britain was in control, and the US Government is the one who founded the invention of the first atomic bomb, and is what came up with the idea of the Star Wars Defense System, way before anyone else did, if the US was apart of Britain still, Germany would have still lost.
There is still the Japanese problem of trying to invade the US,
and Russia invading and spreading Communism globally---
NOT TO MENTION IT WAS THE US'S IDEA TO HELP THE EUROPEAN NATIONS THAT WERE NON-COMMUNIST, WHO WERE NEAR DEPRESSION AFTER WW2.

Face it, No US = No Modern Day World as WE know it.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Contrary to popular belief, the United States Republic didn't win that war. Their production and population did. Which they would've had as British colony.

Yes, but since Britain was in control, and the US Government is the one who founded the invention of the first atomic bomb, and is what came up with the idea of the Star Wars Defense System, way before anyone else did, if the US was apart of Britain still, Germany would have still lost.
There is still the Japanese problem of trying to invade the US,
and Russia invading and spreading Communism globally---
NOT TO MENTION IT WAS THE US'S IDEA TO HELP THE EUROPEAN NATIONS THAT WERE NON-COMMUNIST, WHO WERE NEAR DEPRESSION AFTER WW2.

Face it, No US = No Modern Day World as WE know it.

Yes, no modern day as we know it, indeed. We wouldn't have the US. But the US wouldn't be gone if it were a British colony. There would still be scientists, statesmen, soldiers and generals born on the continent, they would have called themselves Brits instead of Americans. That's it. The Bomb, which did nothing besides accelerate the victory, would probably have been built anyway. If the states were still a colony, I think their economy would be even better, because they were part of such a huge collective.

I am not trying to argue that these things would happen if America didn't exist, I say they would have happened. anyway if you were a colony.

[Prusseusss]

ISLAM !!!

[Vaxon]

Yes, but since Britain was in control, and the US Government is the one who founded the invention of the first atomic bomb, and is what came up with the idea of the Star Wars Defense System, way before anyone else did, if the US was apart of Britain still, Germany would have still lost.
There is still the Japanese problem of trying to invade the US,
and Russia invading and spreading Communism globally---
NOT TO MENTION IT WAS THE US'S IDEA TO HELP THE EUROPEAN NATIONS THAT WERE NON-COMMUNIST, WHO WERE NEAR DEPRESSION AFTER WW2.

Face it, No US = No Modern Day World as WE know it.

Yes, no modern day as we know it, indeed. We wouldn't have the US. But the US wouldn't be gone if it were a British colony. There would still be scientists, statesmen, soldiers and generals born on the continent, they would have called themselves Brits instead of Americans. That's it. The Bomb, which did nothing besides accelerate the victory, would probably have been built anyway. If the states were still a colony, I think their economy would be even better, because they were part of such a huge collective.

I am not trying to argue that these things would happen if America didn't exist, I say they would have happened. anyway if you were a colony.

One problem.
It was the US President's decision to fund Einstein's research to make the bomb.
No Einstein going to the US, because he only went there since it existed, means no one invents any type of nuclear bombs for quite a while.
It was also the US President's decision to make the Star Wars Defense System and share it with Europe.
No US = Russia would have gone nuclear and taken over the world with little to no trouble, as they easily discovered nukes on their own without copying the US.

No US = Russia owns the world.
Face it, the US never getting independence would make you, Britain, etc. all colonies of Russia right now.
Then what?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

ISLAM !!!

Oh, if America had remained a colony, Syria and Iran would have, too. Hmm, that is interesting... RP, maybe?

[Vaxon]

ISLAM !!!

Oh, if America had remained a colony, Syria and Iran would have, too. Hmm, that is interesting... RP, maybe?

Sure, if you make Russia own the world to make it 100% realistic, and people have to fight for freedom and such.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Yes, no modern day as we know it, indeed. We wouldn't have the US. But the US wouldn't be gone if it were a British colony. There would still be scientists, statesmen, soldiers and generals born on the continent, they would have called themselves Brits instead of Americans. That's it. The Bomb, which did nothing besides accelerate the victory, would probably have been built anyway. If the states were still a colony, I think their economy would be even better, because they were part of such a huge collective.

I am not trying to argue that these things would happen if America didn't exist, I say they would have happened. anyway if you were a colony.

One problem.
It was the US President's decision to fund Einstein's research to make the bomb.
No Einstein going to the US, because he only went there since it existed, means no one invents any type of nuclear bombs for quite a while.
It was also the US President's decision to make the Star Wars Defense System and share it with Europe.
No US = Russia would have gone nuclear and taken over the world with little to no trouble, as they easily discovered nukes on their own without copying the US.

No US = Russia owns the world.
Face it, the US never getting independence would make you, Britain, etc. all colonies of Russia right now.
Then what?

Well, if that US president didn't fund the program, George V would have. Or Parliament. If the US didn't exist, Albert would've fled to Britain. And Britain would be happy to fund the project.

Again, certain events don't just stop happening if history is changed. They find their own way, maybe in different forms, but they always find a way.

And, if I remember it correctly, if Woodrow Wilson didn't came into the Versailles conference, Germany would have been sliced and returned to its state as a divided nation. Bavaria, Westphalia, Prussia, they would all have been created again. And Nazi Germany would never have existed, or it would have existed in a far weaker form. If the US hand't opened the trade to Japan by force, it wouldn't have gone imperialistic. If the United States never existed, the Britains would have used their colony to destroy Germany much sooner in the First World War, and the Romanovs could've held on to power. Or the democrats would have gained a victory.

See? History is complicated, and some things find their way. Others never happen, and some things just appear.

[Vaxon]

One problem.
It was the US President's decision to fund Einstein's research to make the bomb.
No Einstein going to the US, because he only went there since it existed, means no one invents any type of nuclear bombs for quite a while.
It was also the US President's decision to make the Star Wars Defense System and share it with Europe.
No US = Russia would have gone nuclear and taken over the world with little to no trouble, as they easily discovered nukes on their own without copying the US.

No US = Russia owns the world.
Face it, the US never getting independence would make you, Britain, etc. all colonies of Russia right now.
Then what?

Well, if that US president didn't fund the program, George V would have. Or Parliament. If the US didn't exist, Albert would've fled to Britain. And Britain would be happy to fund the project.

Again, certain events don't just stop happening if history is changed. They find their own way, maybe in different forms, but they always find a way.

And, if I remember it correctly, if Woodrow Wilson didn't came into the Versailles conference, Germany would have been sliced and returned to its state as a divided nation. Bavaria, Westphalia, Prussia, they would all have been created again. And Nazi Germany would never have existed, or it would have existed in a far weaker form. If the US hand't opened the trade to Japan by force, it wouldn't have gone imperialistic. If the United States never existed, the Britains would have used their colony to destroy Germany much sooner in the First World War, and the Romanovs could've held on to power. Or the democrats would have gained a victory.

See? History is complicated, and some things find their way. Others never happen, and some things just appear.

Ah, but you misunderstand. Britain was fighting Nazi Germany at the time that the atomic bomb was invented.
And since the US and Britain were the last two nations on Earth anywhere near strong enough to fight Britain, if the US were still colonized, it would just be Britain. No one to help. Germany in that case would have crushed Britain, as their endless bombings at some point would destroy Britain.
Then what are the colonies to do?
Celebrate their super-temporary freedom from Britain?

Face it. There are as many bad outcomes as there are "good" outcomes to this.
The bad outcomes, however, over rule many of the "good" ones, and therefor, nullify them.
We can do this all day, but the fact is the earth needed the US's creation to happen when it did.
Nowadays, some people say the US is done with it's job and should just stay out of the world's business, and others say that the US's job as one of the world's only superpowers left is far from over.
It depends on your point of view.
And, no, Germany at the time Einstein went to the US, blocked all seaports and boats taking people to Britain, as they were at "war" with each other.
Therefor, Einstein had no choice but to go to the US, as most other nations were to afraid of Germany to accept him in.

Face it, No US = World ruled by Nazi Germany, or World ruled by Communist Russia.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Well, if that US president didn't fund the program, George V would have. Or Parliament. If the US didn't exist, Albert would've fled to Britain. And Britain would be happy to fund the project.

Again, certain events don't just stop happening if history is changed. They find their own way, maybe in different forms, but they always find a way.

And, if I remember it correctly, if Woodrow Wilson didn't came into the Versailles conference, Germany would have been sliced and returned to its state as a divided nation. Bavaria, Westphalia, Prussia, they would all have been created again. And Nazi Germany would never have existed, or it would have existed in a far weaker form. If the US hand't opened the trade to Japan by force, it wouldn't have gone imperialistic. If the United States never existed, the Britains would have used their colony to destroy Germany much sooner in the First World War, and the Romanovs could've held on to power. Or the democrats would have gained a victory.

See? History is complicated, and some things find their way. Others never happen, and some things just appear.

Ah, but you misunderstand. Britain was fighting Nazi Germany at the time that the atomic bomb was invented.
And since the US and Britain were the last two nations on Earth anywhere near strong enough to fight Britain, if the US were still colonized, it would just be Britain. No one to help. Germany in that case would have crushed Britain, as their endless bombings at some point would destroy Britain.
Then what are the colonies to do?
Celebrate their super-temporary freedom from Britain?

Face it. There are as many bad outcomes as there are "good" outcomes to this.
The bad outcomes, however, over rule many of the "good" ones, and therefor, nullify them.
We can do this all day, but the fact is the earth needed the US's creation to happen when it did.
Nowadays, some people say the US is done with it's job and should just stay out of the world's business, and others say that the US's job as one of the world's only superpowers left is far from over.
It depends on your point of view.
And, no, Germany at the time Einstein went to the US, blocked all seaports and boats taking people to Britain, as they were at "war" with each other.
Therefor, Einstein had no choice but to go to the US, as most other nations were to afraid of Germany to accept him in.

Face it, No US = World ruled by Nazi Germany, or World ruled by Communist Russia.

You seem to be overconfident by the place of your particular state in World History. I do not and will not claim world history would be the same without the US. I'm just saying you would be wrong by assuming Germany or the USSR would have ruled the world. You overestimate your own nation's history, something Jet and Lance don't do, for which I am most grateful.

Again, you assume that the land that is now occupied by America would be gone. But the population and production would still exist, only under a different government. America would still be there, but it wouldn't be called the US. It would have declared war on Germany in 1939, like the British had, and maybe, France wouldn't have been taken by storm. The RAF would've been much bigger, at least. The Luftwaffe would've been destroyed. With the second front in Russia opening up, D-day could've been started in 1941 or 42, not in 44. The US (Let's call it the US instead of British America, for ease's sake.) would have gone to war two years earlier, like the mother country commanded, and Russia wouldn't have lost so many men. Germany could have been destroyed in 1943, instead of 45.

The atomic bomb, which I am sure would've been created anyway, wasn't needed for an allied victory. It just made sure the US didn't have to invade mainland Japan. Japan was lost long before the first atomic test. And, if the USSR couldve created the bomb without Einstein, why couldn't Britain have? If they had the wealth of their colony backing them, the war would have been over sooner, not later. The USSR wouldn't have taken over the world, that's paranoia. Crazy talk. Talk of a patriot.

Now, I am not saying the US hasn't done great things, and that we would be better off without you. Far from it. I'm just saying, the wealth and population made the US powerful, not its independence, its constitution, nor Abraham Lincoln. If the US were in any other hands, be it French, British or Confederate, they would have been powerful as well.

[Vaxon]

Ah, but you misunderstand. Britain was fighting Nazi Germany at the time that the atomic bomb was invented.
And since the US and Britain were the last two nations on Earth anywhere near strong enough to fight Britain, if the US were still colonized, it would just be Britain. No one to help. Germany in that case would have crushed Britain, as their endless bombings at some point would destroy Britain.
Then what are the colonies to do?
Celebrate their super-temporary freedom from Britain?

Face it. There are as many bad outcomes as there are "good" outcomes to this.
The bad outcomes, however, over rule many of the "good" ones, and therefor, nullify them.
We can do this all day, but the fact is the earth needed the US's creation to happen when it did.
Nowadays, some people say the US is done with it's job and should just stay out of the world's business, and others say that the US's job as one of the world's only superpowers left is far from over.
It depends on your point of view.
And, no, Germany at the time Einstein went to the US, blocked all seaports and boats taking people to Britain, as they were at "war" with each other.
Therefor, Einstein had no choice but to go to the US, as most other nations were to afraid of Germany to accept him in.

Face it, No US = World ruled by Nazi Germany, or World ruled by Communist Russia.

You seem to be overconfident by the place of your particular state in World History. I do not and will not claim world history would be the same without the US. I'm just saying you would be wrong by assuming Germany or the USSR would have ruled the world. You overestimate your own nation's history, something Jet and Lance don't do, for which I am most grateful.

Again, you assume that the land that is now occupied by America would be gone. But the population and production would still exist, only under a different government. America would still be there, but it wouldn't be called the US. It would have declared war on Germany in 1939, like the British had, and maybe, France wouldn't have been taken by storm. The RAF would've been much bigger, at least. The Luftwaffe would've been destroyed. With the second front in Russia opening up, D-day could've been started in 1941 or 42, not in 44. The US (Let's call it the US instead of British America, for ease's sake.) would have gone to war two years earlier, like the mother country commanded, and Russia wouldn't have lost so many men. Germany could have been destroyed in 1943, instead of 45.

The atomic bomb, which I am sure would've been created anyway, wasn't needed for an allied victory. It just made sure the US didn't have to invade mainland Japan. Japan was lost long before the first atomic test. And, if the USSR couldve created the bomb without Einstein, why couldn't Britain have? If they had the wealth of their colony backing them, the war would have been over sooner, not later. The USSR wouldn't have taken over the world, that's paranoia. Crazy talk. Talk of a patriot.

Now, I am not saying the US hasn't done great things, and that we would be better off without you. Far from it. I'm just saying, the wealth and population made the US powerful, not its independence, its constitution, nor Abraham Lincoln. If the US were in any other hands, be it French, British or Confederate, they would have been powerful as well.

I am sorry, but I have to end this here.
Firstly, the Russians built bombs similar to atomic bombs, and rumors say an "American" family, which had ancestors in Russia, sold the original plans for the atomic bomb to Russia. The only reason the US had these plans was because of Einstein.
So, I say again unto thee, you are wrong. You can counter argue everything I say, and there will always be a minor flaw that would cause too many paradoxes to count. Russia failed many, many times at making atomic bombs before the "scandal" that the Russian-American family was involved with.
Sure, Britain would have invented the atomic bomb over time- But it'd be around 2001, or something before they succeeded, as it was predicted that had the Russians not received the plans for the bomb, it would have taken them that long as well. Henceforth, Britain being of equal power when it had it's colonies to Russia, or slightly stronger than Russia, would have still taken about that long. That would have slowed progression, and caused the "cell phone" to not be invented until 2030.
Therefor, Yes, you are right, it is entirely possible. It's just that we'd still be using real life telegrams and letters to communicate, not computers nor cell phones, nor anything advanced.
I see how it's right in the sense it would work.
But you are wrong in the sense where you think everything would magically work out and end up exactly the same as modern day with tech and all.
In fact, the first war plane big enough to carry atomic bombs was invented by the US, and those airplane designs are used, but on a slightly smaller scale, on our modern day private jets and "airbuses". And so, in that case being said, air travel would not be available until at least 2000, rather than 1980 or whenever.
Basically, your theory would make everything 20 years behind, more or less.
It works, but it slows everything down.
In some ways, I am wrong, and right. In others, you are wrong, and right.
Sure, the world would be the same eventually, but not the way it is now.
In fact, since cell phones would have been delayed, we wouldn't be talking right now. NS would not exist.
Everything we have nowadays, would be unavailable until 2090 at least.

Hence, if you want to make an RP out of this, where all modern technology is available and everything is realistic as can be,
you need to state the year is 2090.

[Mincaldenteans]

You seem to be overconfident by the place of your particular state in World History. I do not and will not claim world history would be the same without the US. I'm just saying you would be wrong by assuming Germany or the USSR would have ruled the world. You overestimate your own nation's history, something Jet and Lance don't do, for which I am most grateful.

Again, you assume that the land that is now occupied by America would be gone. But the population and production would still exist, only under a different government. America would still be there, but it wouldn't be called the US. It would have declared war on Germany in 1939, like the British had, and maybe, France wouldn't have been taken by storm. The RAF would've been much bigger, at least. The Luftwaffe would've been destroyed. With the second front in Russia opening up, D-day could've been started in 1941 or 42, not in 44. The US (Let's call it the US instead of British America, for ease's sake.) would have gone to war two years earlier, like the mother country commanded, and Russia wouldn't have lost so many men. Germany could have been destroyed in 1943, instead of 45.

The atomic bomb, which I am sure would've been created anyway, wasn't needed for an allied victory. It just made sure the US didn't have to invade mainland Japan. Japan was lost long before the first atomic test. And, if the USSR couldve created the bomb without Einstein, why couldn't Britain have? If they had the wealth of their colony backing them, the war would have been over sooner, not later. The USSR wouldn't have taken over the world, that's paranoia. Crazy talk. Talk of a patriot.

Now, I am not saying the US hasn't done great things, and that we would be better off without you. Far from it. I'm just saying, the wealth and population made the US powerful, not its independence, its constitution, nor Abraham Lincoln. If the US were in any other hands, be it French, British or Confederate, they would have been powerful as well.

I am sorry, but I have to end this here.
Firstly, the Russians built bombs similar to atomic bombs, and rumors say an "American" family, which had ancestors in Russia, sold the original plans for the atomic bomb to Russia. The only reason the US had these plans was because of Einstein.
So, I say again unto thee, you are wrong. You can counter argue everything I say, and there will always be a minor flaw that would cause too many paradoxes to count. Russia failed many, many times at making atomic bombs before the "scandal" that the Russian-American family was involved with.
Sure, Britain would have invented the atomic bomb over time- But it'd be around 2001, or something before they succeeded, as it was predicted that had the Russians not received the plans for the bomb, it would have taken them that long as well. Henceforth, Britain being of equal power when it had it's colonies to Russia, or slightly stronger than Russia, would have still taken about that long. That would have slowed progression, and caused the "cell phone" to not be invented until 2030.
Therefor, Yes, you are right, it is entirely possible. It's just that we'd still be using real life telegrams and letters to communicate, not computers nor cell phones, nor anything advanced.
I see how it's right in the sense it would work.
But you are wrong in the sense where you think everything would magically work out and end up exactly the same as modern day with tech and all.
In fact, the first war plane big enough to carry atomic bombs was invented by the US, and those airplane designs are used, but on a slightly smaller scale, on our modern day private jets and "airbuses". And so, in that case being said, air travel would not be available until at least 2000, rather than 1980 or whenever.
Basically, your theory would make everything 20 years behind, more or less.
It works, but it slows everything down.
In some ways, I am wrong, and right. In others, you are wrong, and right.
Sure, the world would be the same eventually, but not the way it is now.
In fact, since cell phones would have been delayed, we wouldn't be talking right now. NS would not exist.
Everything we have nowadays, would be unavailable until 2090 at least.

Hence, if you want to make an RP out of this, where all modern technology is available and everything is realistic as can be,
you need to state the year is 2090.

This had derailed from the RP. Conversation over. I advice the two of you to take this elsewhere - start a thread for others to participate, TG one another, or use a chat platform for this philosophical debate in government/history/and what-ifs.

[Vaxon]

I am sorry, but I have to end this here.
Firstly, the Russians built bombs similar to atomic bombs, and rumors say an "American" family, which had ancestors in Russia, sold the original plans for the atomic bomb to Russia. The only reason the US had these plans was because of Einstein.
So, I say again unto thee, you are wrong. You can counter argue everything I say, and there will always be a minor flaw that would cause too many paradoxes to count. Russia failed many, many times at making atomic bombs before the "scandal" that the Russian-American family was involved with.
Sure, Britain would have invented the atomic bomb over time- But it'd be around 2001, or something before they succeeded, as it was predicted that had the Russians not received the plans for the bomb, it would have taken them that long as well. Henceforth, Britain being of equal power when it had it's colonies to Russia, or slightly stronger than Russia, would have still taken about that long. That would have slowed progression, and caused the "cell phone" to not be invented until 2030.
Therefor, Yes, you are right, it is entirely possible. It's just that we'd still be using real life telegrams and letters to communicate, not computers nor cell phones, nor anything advanced.
I see how it's right in the sense it would work.
But you are wrong in the sense where you think everything would magically work out and end up exactly the same as modern day with tech and all.
In fact, the first war plane big enough to carry atomic bombs was invented by the US, and those airplane designs are used, but on a slightly smaller scale, on our modern day private jets and "airbuses". And so, in that case being said, air travel would not be available until at least 2000, rather than 1980 or whenever.
Basically, your theory would make everything 20 years behind, more or less.
It works, but it slows everything down.
In some ways, I am wrong, and right. In others, you are wrong, and right.
Sure, the world would be the same eventually, but not the way it is now.
In fact, since cell phones would have been delayed, we wouldn't be talking right now. NS would not exist.
Everything we have nowadays, would be unavailable until 2090 at least.

Hence, if you want to make an RP out of this, where all modern technology is available and everything is realistic as can be,
you need to state the year is 2090.

This had derailed from the RP. Conversation over. I advice the two of you to take this elsewhere - start a thread for others to participate, TG one another, or use a chat platform for this philosophical debate in government/history/and what-ifs.

I actually said I was done after that post.
But, since you brought it up, I will actually.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I blaim the horrific character trait of not being able to let go. Sorry for destroying the entire OOC thread.

[Vaxon]

I blaim the horrific character trait of not being able to let go. Sorry for destroying the entire OOC thread.

I made a thread for our little debate.

Here it is.