Roleplay of the World 1252 (OOC, Open)

[Valentir]

So after this Crusade....Who wants to start......
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Yes please

[Mishmahig]

Nope.

What do you mean? Of course the Catholics of Iberia would want him burned.

Except they don't.

Look at Al-Andalus in real life. Catholics and Jews had few problems living under the Muslim nation----most of the Caliphates and other similar nations were extraordinarily tolerant to all faiths and creeds, and as such, commanded immense loyalty from their subjects. Heck, in one of the many wars during the Reconquista, the Catholic kingdom of Aragon allied with the Muslims to smash a predominately Christian army to serve their own ends.

What do you mean? Of course the Catholics of Iberia would want him burned.

Catholic Iberia hasn't existed for 500 years now.

Even so, lack of persecution would have led to no ill-will building up over time. Remove that potential source of conflict, and people choose stability over perceived religious unity-----especially when one considers the deep fear of invading armies that people had. Crusaders didn't just kill heretics, you know. They liked to kill anyone in their way, Catholic or not.

So after this Crusade....Who wants to start......
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I approve, but we have to wait until nobody suspects it.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

"Kievan Rus', although sparsely populated compared to Western Europe,"

*Cough* Of which over 60% is Siberian grade land*Cough*

We'll just wait for the Mongols like last time.

Also, I guess there's nothing stopping me from surpassing your population in good time....


"France in 1328 (which was geographically smaller than France is today) is believed to have supported between 13.4 million people and 18 to 20 million people, the latter not reached again until the early modern period."


But sure, have more than them 100 years earlier and with far less density.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

What do you mean? Of course the Catholics of Iberia would want him burned.

Except they don't.

Look at Al-Andalus in real life. Catholics and Jews had few problems living under the Muslim nation----most of the Caliphates and other similar nations were extraordinarily tolerant to all faiths and creeds, and as such, commanded immense loyalty from their subjects. Heck, in one of the many wars during the Reconquista, the Catholic kingdom of Aragon allied with the Muslims to smash a predominately Christian army to serve their own ends.

Catholic Iberia hasn't existed for 500 years now.

Even so, lack of persecution would have led to no ill-will building up over time. Remove that potential source of conflict, and people choose stability over perceived religious unity-----especially when one considers the deep fear of invading armies that people had. Crusaders didn't just kill heretics, you know. They liked to kill anyone in their way, Catholic or not.

So after this Crusade....Who wants to start......
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I approve, but we have to wait until nobody suspects it.

Jews had more rights under the Muslims than the Christians, and were valued for their expertise in finance and their use of usury.

Not to mention how Muslims have hygiene.

[G-Tech Corporation]

*Cough* Of which over 60% is Siberian grade land*Cough*

We'll just wait for the Mongols like last time.

Also, I guess there's nothing stopping me from surpassing your population in good time....

I'm fairly certain North Africa simply doesn't have the carrying capacity of the Ukraine, regardless of time. Ukraine is, literally, the breadbasket of Eastern Europe.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

*Cough* Of which over 60% is Siberian grade land*Cough*

We'll just wait for the Mongols like last time.

Also, I guess there's nothing stopping me from surpassing your population in good time....

Actually, the amount of land your population can support would cap you, as everyone. But if you play your cards right and win the Second Battle of Tours(Hint Hint), you might.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

We'll just wait for the Mongols like last time.

Also, I guess there's nothing stopping me from surpassing your population in good time....

I'm fairly certain North Africa simply doesn't have the carrying capacity of the Ukraine, regardless of time. Ukraine is, literally, the breadbasket of Eastern Europe.

? Egypt and Mauretania were the breadbaskets of the Roman Empire.

[Valentir]

I'm fairly certain North Africa simply doesn't have the carrying capacity of the Ukraine, regardless of time. Ukraine is, literally, the breadbasket of Eastern Europe.

? Egypt and Mauretania were the breadbaskets of the Roman Empire.

Except you don't control Egypt.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

We'll just wait for the Mongols like last time.

Also, I guess there's nothing stopping me from surpassing your population in good time....

Actually, the amount of land your population can support would cap you, as everyone. But if you play your cards right and win the Second Battle of Tours(Hint Hint), you might.

Tons of fertile land on the Atlantic coast I just took.

And I'm way ahead of you, buddy.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Except they don't.

Look at Al-Andalus in real life. Catholics and Jews had few problems living under the Muslim nation----most of the Caliphates and other similar nations were extraordinarily tolerant to all faiths and creeds, and as such, commanded immense loyalty from their subjects. Heck, in one of the many wars during the Reconquista, the Catholic kingdom of Aragon allied with the Muslims to smash a predominately Christian army to serve their own ends.



Even so, lack of persecution would have led to no ill-will building up over time. Remove that potential source of conflict, and people choose stability over perceived religious unity-----especially when one considers the deep fear of invading armies that people had. Crusaders didn't just kill heretics, you know. They liked to kill anyone in their way, Catholic or not.



I approve, but we have to wait until nobody suspects it.

Jews had more rights under the Muslims than the Christians, and were valued for their expertise in finance and their use of usury.

Not to mention how Muslims have hygiene.

*COUGH* My Bulgarian Bath houses *COUGH*
Screw you Russians My Slavs Smell good!

[Mauretania Tingitana]

? Egypt and Mauretania were the breadbaskets of the Roman Empire.

Except you don't control Egypt.

Except he's my ally and biggest trading partner and I own Mauretania.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

We'll just wait for the Mongols like last time.

Also, I guess there's nothing stopping me from surpassing your population in good time....

I'm fairly certain North Africa simply doesn't have the carrying capacity of the Ukraine, regardless of time. Ukraine is, literally, the breadbasket of Eastern Europe.

Ukraine is Literally the breadbasket of Europe

[Valentir]

Except you don't control Egypt.

Except he's my ally and biggest trading partner and I own Mauretania.

Your only trading partner.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

Jews had more rights under the Muslims than the Christians, and were valued for their expertise in finance and their use of usury.

Not to mention how Muslims have hygiene.

*COUGH* My Bulgarian Bath houses *COUGH*
Screw you Russians My Slavs Smell good!

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I'm not sure if you're aware of this yet, but you're not the Third Rome.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Actually, the amount of land your population can support would cap you, as everyone. But if you play your cards right and win the Second Battle of Tours(Hint Hint), you might.

Tons of fertile land on the Atlantic coast I just took.

And I'm way ahead of you, buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadbasket

For all to see who to invade next.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

Except he's my ally and biggest trading partner and I own Mauretania.

Your only trading partner.

Goo thing he's a direct outlet to the Silk Road and by extension India and China, which is essentially cut off from Europe, theoretically allowing me gunpowder earlier than you saps.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

Tons of fertile land on the Atlantic coast I just took.

And I'm way ahead of you, buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadbasket

For all to see who to invade next.

Lol Morocco is the first on the list.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Your only trading partner.

Goo thing he's a direct outlet to the Silk Road and by extension India and China, which is essentially cut off from Europe, theoretically allowing me gunpowder earlier than you saps.

Allen and ICD have had it since 1224

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Goo thing he's a direct outlet to the Silk Road and by extension India and China, which is essentially cut off from Europe, theoretically allowing me gunpowder earlier than you saps.

Allen and ICD have had it since 1224

We Italians are very resourceful.

[Mauretania Tingitana]

Goo thing he's a direct outlet to the Silk Road and by extension India and China, which is essentially cut off from Europe, theoretically allowing me gunpowder earlier than you saps.

Allen and ICD have had it since 1224

ICD is no more, and Pisa is cut off from the land. Muslims form a literal wall in the Near East.

Now the Mongols do, too.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Allen and ICD have had it since 1224

ICD is no more, and Pisa is cut off from the land. Muslims form a literal wall in the Near East.

Now the Mongols do, too.

They also block you off from Oriental Trade. Just saying

Phase III Map

Changes
*Chernigov finally given to Kiev
*Ethiopian colonies added

[Pavlostani]

ICD is no more, and Pisa is cut off from the land. Muslims form a literal wall in the Near East.

Now the Mongols do, too.

They also block you off from Oriental Trade. Just saying

Phase III Map

Changes
*Chernigov finally given to Kiev
*Ethiopian colonies added

Remember that deal we made in New York? One involving Krasnodar...?

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Allen and ICD have had it since 1224

ICD is no more, and Pisa is cut off from the land. Muslims form a literal wall in the Near East.

Now the Mongols do, too.

My Old ruler is the Steward and Marshal of Bulgaria

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

They also block you off from Oriental Trade. Just saying

Phase III Map

Changes
*Chernigov finally given to Kiev
*Ethiopian colonies added

Remember that deal we made in New York? One involving Krasnodar...?

Yes. I will include it in Phase IV Map

[Mauretania Tingitana]

ICD is no more, and Pisa is cut off from the land. Muslims form a literal wall in the Near East.

Now the Mongols do, too.

They also block you off from Oriental Trade. Just saying

Phase III Map

Changes
*Chernigov finally given to Kiev
*Ethiopian colonies added

I think a diagonally line between Africa and Arabia would help to separate the Ayyubids and Ethiopians, but great nonetheless.


Good thing I have Aztec traders. :3

Could you also list me as the "Maghrebi Caliphate"?