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by Mauretania Tingitana » Wed May 29, 2013 7:22 pm

by The imperial canadian dutchy » Wed May 29, 2013 7:23 pm

by The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Wed May 29, 2013 7:26 pm

by The imperial canadian dutchy » Wed May 29, 2013 7:27 pm

by The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Wed May 29, 2013 7:27 pm



by Mauretania Tingitana » Wed May 29, 2013 7:29 pm
by Inoroth » Wed May 29, 2013 7:31 pm
Mauretania Tingitana wrote:In real life during that time, most kingdoms just ignored the Pope really.

by Mauretania Tingitana » Wed May 29, 2013 7:31 pm
Inoroth wrote:Mauretania Tingitana wrote:In real life during that time, most kingdoms just ignored the Pope really.
While the Pope may not have the power in 1250 that he had in earlier centuries, he is still a force to be reckoned with. Even if the only thing I buy is his silence, this crusade will be worth it... plus, there's still the advantage of impressing the little HRE states by being seen as a strong resolute and effective leader.
by Inoroth » Wed May 29, 2013 7:33 pm
Mauretania Tingitana wrote:Inoroth wrote:
While the Pope may not have the power in 1250 that he had in earlier centuries, he is still a force to be reckoned with. Even if the only thing I buy is his silence, this crusade will be worth it... plus, there's still the advantage of impressing the little HRE states by being seen as a strong resolute and effective leader.
We shall see. Lorraine is right on your border, you know.


by The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Wed May 29, 2013 7:34 pm

by Mauretania Tingitana » Wed May 29, 2013 7:34 pm

by Alleniana » Wed May 29, 2013 7:41 pm

by Alleniana » Wed May 29, 2013 7:42 pm
Reatra wrote:I was going to say that, but, there is a big city in Lorraine named Metz that has been a big city since the Romans conquered it in 52 b.c. (None of that is made up.) It is actually still one of like the top 20 biggest cities in France now. (It's a province of France now.) That being said I'll make it 850000 people, unless someone can PROVE me wrong with real evidence, that'll be my logic.

by The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Wed May 29, 2013 7:42 pm
Alleniana wrote:Reatra wrote:I was going to say that, but, there is a big city in Lorraine named Metz that has been a big city since the Romans conquered it in 52 b.c. (None of that is made up.) It is actually still one of like the top 20 biggest cities in France now. (It's a province of France now.) That being said I'll make it 850000 people, unless someone can PROVE me wrong with real evidence, that'll be my logic.
Lorraine is about 1/20 the size of France, and France has nary 10 mil people. I don't see why Lorraine would have a higher pop density than France.The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Lol he forgot my last stronghold of Italy
No, it surrendered.


by Alleniana » Wed May 29, 2013 7:45 pm

by The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Wed May 29, 2013 7:46 pm


by The imperial canadian dutchy » Wed May 29, 2013 7:46 pm

by Mauretania Tingitana » Wed May 29, 2013 7:51 pm
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:You asked them to surrender...but never sieged

by The imperial canadian dutchy » Wed May 29, 2013 7:52 pm

by Mauretania Tingitana » Wed May 29, 2013 7:53 pm
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