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[Tabret]

Its 1941 now. And read the IC for that

The depression affected consumer goods industries mainly and S.A was not deeply affected by it.

Still you can't modernize a nation in 2 years and be stable enough to fight a war without total collapse and another thing is the depression though Saudi has oil doesn't mean it's gonna be the riches nation and be able to build a navy airforce tank force from scratch then go fight a costly war against a much stronger enemy

Much stronger enemy? As Epraria said, more bark than bite.

I never said S.A was modernised, I even said in one of my posts that the construction of a national road network will take years. I said that we've developed a decent industry.

Well guess what, we have built a military from sc4atch.

[Alleniana]

Still you can't modernize a nation in 2 years and be stable enough to fight a war without total collapse and another thing is the depression though Saudi has oil doesn't mean it's gonna be the riches nation and be able to build a navy airforce tank force from scratch then go fight a costly war against a much stronger enemy

Much stronger enemy? As Epraria said, more bark than bite.

I never said S.A was modernised, I even said in one of my posts that the construction of a national road network will take years. I said that we've developed a decent industry.

Well guess what, we have built a military from sc4atch.

Whatever the arguments, you have not let the Italian player respond properly to your attack, and all military actions taken in Libya are invalid.

[Epraria]

Much stronger enemy? As Epraria said, more bark than bite.

I never said S.A was modernised, I even said in one of my posts that the construction of a national road network will take years. I said that we've developed a decent industry.

Well guess what, we have built a military from sc4atch.

Whatever the arguments, you have not let the Italian player respond properly to your attack, and all military actions taken in Libya are invalid.

So every one fighting a player wait until they can respond.

[Alleniana]

Whatever the arguments, you have not let the Italian player respond properly to your attack, and all military actions taken in Libya are invalid.

So every one fighting a player wait until they can respond.

Yes. Unless that player doesn't respond for like a week, and isn;t on the OOC either. In that case, they will probably become an NPC.

[Epraria]

So every one fighting a player wait until they can respond.

Yes. Unless that player doesn't respond for like a week, and isn;t on the OOC either. In that case, they will probably become an NPC.

Ok for then the Dutch player is not here anymore and my invasion of Dutch Indonesia is cannon.

[Tabret]

Blahdy hell

Saudi Arabia, although I agree with some of your points, you cannot just steamroll all the Italian forces in Libya. You must give the Italian player a chance to respond.
Listen:
For those of you who say that SA is modernized, it is not. It is on the way, but you cannot just suddenly modernize in that amount of time, otherwise, someone would've already done so.
No offensive military is that is outside the borders of a country may be more than 1% of that country's military except under special circumstances (like you are Sparta and you're invading Athens who have already captured Sparta)
Final Rulings
All conflicts in Libya and South America must be redone, and they will keep being redone until they are satisfactorily ungodmoddy.

Also, the tank numbers are absurd. Even today, the USA only has about 8,000 tanks in total. Calculate as if for each 50,000 people, one tank may be built, although this is still quite high. Less industrialized countries (like Saudi Arabia or Mexico) will likely have around 1 tank for 100,000 people. Also, around 33% of all tanks will be in repair, refuel and things like that at any one time.

I also never said SA was modernized. I even said that a national road network program will take several years, maybe even a decade, to be completed.

No offensive military is that is outside the borders of a country may be more than 1% of that country's military except under special circumstances (like you are Sparta and you're invading Athens who have already captured Sparta)

What? That sounds silly, since the British surely have much, MUCH, more than 1% of their military outside their borders, and the Italians do as well.

Your argument concerning tanks is invalid. Tanks these days cost much more to produce, they use advanced loading systems, high-tech computer software to control the tanks, advanced communication systems and the like, all of which take time and more money to produce. WW2 era tanks use much less technological inputs than now, and thus can be produced in massive numbers. The Allies, throughout the war, had produced more than 250,000 tanks. And the 1 tank for 50,000 people is kind of silly too, I don't know where you got that idea.

Historically, every nation in the world had much more than 1% of it's military outside it's borders when conducting offensives.

[Alleniana]

Blahdy hell

Saudi Arabia, although I agree with some of your points, you cannot just steamroll all the Italian forces in Libya. You must give the Italian player a chance to respond.
Listen:
For those of you who say that SA is modernized, it is not. It is on the way, but you cannot just suddenly modernize in that amount of time, otherwise, someone would've already done so.
No offensive military is that is outside the borders of a country may be more than 1% of that country's military except under special circumstances (like you are Sparta and you're invading Athens who have already captured Sparta)
Final Rulings
All conflicts in Libya and South America must be redone, and they will keep being redone until they are satisfactorily ungodmoddy.

Also, the tank numbers are absurd. Even today, the USA only has about 8,000 tanks in total. Calculate as if for each 50,000 people, one tank may be built, although this is still quite high. Less industrialized countries (like Saudi Arabia or Mexico) will likely have around 1 tank for 100,000 people. Also, around 33% of all tanks will be in repair, refuel and things like that at any one time.

I also never said SA was modernized. I even said that a national road network program will take several years, maybe even a decade, to be completed.

No offensive military is that is outside the borders of a country may be more than 1% of that country's military except under special circumstances (like you are Sparta and you're invading Athens who have already captured Sparta)

What? That sounds silly, since the British surely have much, MUCH, more than 1% of their military outside their borders, and the Italians do as well.

Your argument concerning tanks is invalid. Tanks these days cost much more to produce, they use advanced loading systems, high-tech computer software to control the tanks, advanced communication systems and the like, all of which take time and more money to produce. WW2 era tanks use much less technological inputs than now, and thus can be produced in massive numbers. The Allies, throughout the war, had produced more than 250,000 tanks. And the 1 tank for 50,000 people is kind of silly too, I don't know where you got that idea.

Historically, every nation in the world had much more than 1% of it's military outside it's borders when conducting offensives.

Really? Where do they have over a million outside their borders? Not every country.
On tanks, it's true. Lower the limit to a tank every 10,000 people approx.

[Tabret]

I also never said SA was modernized. I even said that a national road network program will take several years, maybe even a decade, to be completed.



What? That sounds silly, since the British surely have much, MUCH, more than 1% of their military outside their borders, and the Italians do as well.

Your argument concerning tanks is invalid. Tanks these days cost much more to produce, they use advanced loading systems, high-tech computer software to control the tanks, advanced communication systems and the like, all of which take time and more money to produce. WW2 era tanks use much less technological inputs than now, and thus can be produced in massive numbers. The Allies, throughout the war, had produced more than 250,000 tanks. And the 1 tank for 50,000 people is kind of silly too, I don't know where you got that idea.

Historically, every nation in the world had much more than 1% of it's military outside it's borders when conducting offensives.

Really? Where do they have over a million outside their borders? Not every country.
On tanks, it's true. Lower the limit to a tank every 10,000 people approx.

Alright. I'll stop military production and restrict the same to producing spare parts and ammo.

We don't have a million outside our borders. We have 80,000, from a military of 200,000. The Italians have 1 million outside their borders, the British have more too. Historically, the Soviets had much more than 1% of their military outside their borders, when they were invading Nazi Germany.

[Tabret]

But if the Libyan war is going to continue, the Italy player, Sovjetia, must realize and accept the fact that his military was nothing but shite in WW2.

[Epraria]

Ah yes i am really trying to kill the US and britain tabret.Sarcasm.

[Tabret]

Ah yes i am really trying to kill the US and britain tabret.Sarcasm.

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[Unified states of North China]

I'm back!

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Who r u?

[Epraria]

hi back

Who r u?

He is norway.

[Alleniana]

Really? Where do they have over a million outside their borders? Not every country.
On tanks, it's true. Lower the limit to a tank every 10,000 people approx.

Alright. I'll stop military production and restrict the same to producing spare parts and ammo.

We don't have a million outside our borders. We have 80,000, from a military of 200,000. The Italians have 1 million outside their borders, the British have more too. Historically, the Soviets had much more than 1% of their military outside their borders, when they were invading Nazi Germany.

Really? Where do the Italians have more than 1 mil outside their borders? They haven't even made an offensive move, so how can they be outside of their borders? Same for britain. And true for USSR, but that's a massive land war, desperate, and based on a numberspam strategy.

But if the Libyan war is going to continue, the Italy player, Sovjetia, must realize and accept the fact that his military was nothing but shite in WW2.

Why is that? What weakenings did Italy go through to put their military at a lower level than the rest of the world?

[Lunas Legion]

Alright. I'll stop military production and restrict the same to producing spare parts and ammo.

We don't have a million outside our borders. We have 80,000, from a military of 200,000. The Italians have 1 million outside their borders, the British have more too. Historically, the Soviets had much more than 1% of their military outside their borders, when they were invading Nazi Germany.

Really? Where do the Italians have more than 1 mil outside their borders? They haven't even made an offensive move, so how can they be outside of their borders? Same for britain. And true for USSR, but that's a massive land war, desperate, and based on a numberspam strategy.

But if the Libyan war is going to continue, the Italy player, Sovjetia, must realize and accept the fact that his military was nothing but shite in WW2.

Why is that? What weakenings did Italy go through to put their military at a lower level than the rest of the world?

Simply put, incompetent leadership. The men were brave, especally the artillery crews but their main weakness was that Italy simply didn't have the leaders to fight the likes of Monty.

And their tanks were also utterly rubbish- they either broke down or were destroyed because of their thin armour.

[Epraria]

I am glad that japan had some decent generals and not only banzai fanatocs.

[Alleniana]

Really? Where do the Italians have more than 1 mil outside their borders? They haven't even made an offensive move, so how can they be outside of their borders? Same for britain. And true for USSR, but that's a massive land war, desperate, and based on a numberspam strategy.

Why is that? What weakenings did Italy go through to put their military at a lower level than the rest of the world?

Simply put, incompetent leadership. The men were brave, especally the artillery crews but their main weakness was that Italy simply didn't have the leaders to fight the likes of Monty.

And their tanks were also utterly rubbish- they either broke down or were destroyed because of their thin armour.

Ok then. They had terrible leadership, and bad tanks. I don't see how that makes them a pushover to another nation which has many times less forces, no defensive advantage, no real claim to the land and no experience and equipment as the Italians; remember, they are still a major European power, even if one of the smaller ones.

[Lunas Legion]

Simply put, incompetent leadership. The men were brave, especally the artillery crews but their main weakness was that Italy simply didn't have the leaders to fight the likes of Monty.

And their tanks were also utterly rubbish- they either broke down or were destroyed because of their thin armour.

Ok then. They had terrible leadership, and bad tanks. I don't see how that makes them a pushover to another nation which has many times less forces, no defensive advantage, no real claim to the land and no experience and equipment as the Italians; remember, they are still a major European power, even if one of the smaller ones.

The Italians had experience? One corps did, from fighting in the Spanish Civil War. None of the others did. Italian equipment was average, and they had terrible logistics.

As for defence, in the desert, tanks and cavalry are everything as static defences are all but useless. The Saudis have the best desert cavalry. Give them some AT weapons and they'll shred the Italians supply lines.

[Alleniana]

Ok then. They had terrible leadership, and bad tanks. I don't see how that makes them a pushover to another nation which has many times less forces, no defensive advantage, no real claim to the land and no experience and equipment as the Italians; remember, they are still a major European power, even if one of the smaller ones.

The Italians had experience? One corps did, from fighting in the Spanish Civil War. None of the others did. Italian equipment was average, and they had terrible logistics.

As for defence, in the desert, tanks and cavalry are everything as static defences are all but useless. The Saudis have the best desert cavalry. Give them some AT weapons and they'll shred the Italians supply lines.

They had more experience in fighting in their own lands I mean. I think the Italians would know Italian Libya better than the Saudi Arabians. Average? "Average" European equipment conquered the world. Their logistics aren't great though, no, but it doesn't meant they'll lose the whole bloody war, and all their advantages will go to hell. Besides, who's to say the Italian player can't improve them? If the Saudi player can get great tanks and good infantry from conscription like that, Italy can surely improve logistics.

Desert? Nobody wants the desert unless it has oil, and the Libyan desert has next to none. The entire fight will be over the coastal urban areas, and some smaller inland cities. Nobody in their right mind is going to fight over dusty plains when there are cities like Benghazi. Since so much of the fight will be coastal, then the navy will count a lot. I'm pretty sure the Italian navy trumps the Saudi navy, especially since they're WAY closer.

[Lunas Legion]

The Italians had experience? One corps did, from fighting in the Spanish Civil War. None of the others did. Italian equipment was average, and they had terrible logistics.

As for defence, in the desert, tanks and cavalry are everything as static defences are all but useless. The Saudis have the best desert cavalry. Give them some AT weapons and they'll shred the Italians supply lines.

They had more experience in fighting in their own lands I mean. I think the Italians would know Italian Libya better than the Saudi Arabians. Average? "Average" European equipment conquered the world. Their logistics aren't great though, no, but it doesn't meant they'll lose the whole bloody war, and all their advantages will go to hell. Besides, who's to say the Italian player can't improve them? If the Saudi player can get great tanks and good infantry from conscription like that, Italy can surely improve logistics.

Desert? Nobody wants the desert unless it has oil, and the Libyan desert has next to none. The entire fight will be over the coastal urban areas, and some smaller inland cities. Nobody in their right mind is going to fight over dusty plains when there are cities like Benghazi. Since so much of the fight will be coastal, then the navy will count a lot. I'm pretty sure the Italian navy trumps the Saudi navy, especially since they're WAY closer.

The Saudis don't really have a navy, they rely on the UK for that.

And the fight will be for the three port cities- Torbruk (if the Italians own it,it may have been British), Benghazi and Tripoli.

The Saudis probabaly won't be able to beat the Italians in Libya.

Now if they invaded Italian East Africa...

[Tabret]

The Italians had experience? One corps did, from fighting in the Spanish Civil War. None of the others did. Italian equipment was average, and they had terrible logistics.

As for defence, in the desert, tanks and cavalry are everything as static defences are all but useless. The Saudis have the best desert cavalry. Give them some AT weapons and they'll shred the Italians supply lines.

They had more experience in fighting in their own lands I mean. I think the Italians would know Italian Libya better than the Saudi Arabians. Average? "Average" European equipment conquered the world. Their logistics aren't great though, no, but it doesn't meant they'll lose the whole bloody war, and all their advantages will go to hell. Besides, who's to say the Italian player can't improve them? If the Saudi player can get great tanks and good infantry from conscription like that, Italy can surely improve logistics.

Desert? Nobody wants the desert unless it has oil, and the Libyan desert has next to none. The entire fight will be over the coastal urban areas, and some smaller inland cities. Nobody in their right mind is going to fight over dusty plains when there are cities like Benghazi. Since so much of the fight will be coastal, then the navy will count a lot. I'm pretty sure the Italian navy trumps the Saudi navy, especially since they're WAY closer.

Look at the link I posted earlier. I cited a source for my claims that Italian forces are poorly trained.

Oh and concerning the navy thing, Im sure the Italian navy is going to be a walk in the park for the Royal Navy. Not to mention that although we pack a proper conventional navy, we have hundreds of kamikaze boats.

[Unified states of North China]

They had more experience in fighting in their own lands I mean. I think the Italians would know Italian Libya better than the Saudi Arabians. Average? "Average" European equipment conquered the world. Their logistics aren't great though, no, but it doesn't meant they'll lose the whole bloody war, and all their advantages will go to hell. Besides, who's to say the Italian player can't improve them? If the Saudi player can get great tanks and good infantry from conscription like that, Italy can surely improve logistics.

Desert? Nobody wants the desert unless it has oil, and the Libyan desert has next to none. The entire fight will be over the coastal urban areas, and some smaller inland cities. Nobody in their right mind is going to fight over dusty plains when there are cities like Benghazi. Since so much of the fight will be coastal, then the navy will count a lot. I'm pretty sure the Italian navy trumps the Saudi navy, especially since they're WAY closer.

Look at the link I posted earlier. I cited a source for my claims that Italian forces are poorly trained.

Oh and concerning the navy thing, Im sure the Italian navy is going to be a walk in the park for the Royal Navy. Not to mention that although we pack a proper conventional navy, we have hundreds of kamikaze boats.

You all might think ze me ze crazy, but I am comparing the Saudi Arabian Forces with this!. So you were saying that your forces had like a ton of good and decent planes. In this article, and battle (this is the only example of the Saudi Arabian armed forces during the period I could find), you barely had tanks. The Italians, well, they were probably better armed than you. I know this, because of this! Keep in mind that the Italians were aircraft phobic, but you ain't got the ability to destroy the ships.
So, your best help is international.
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Italy is NPC

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Allen, can you punch the Spanish in the face for invading the Americas?