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The Vekta-Helghast Empire
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Postby The Vekta-Helghast Empire » Fri May 17, 2013 9:45 pm

Apologies, I'll edit it a bit today.
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Postby The Vekta-Helghast Empire » Fri May 17, 2013 10:01 pm

Blegh, I just edited it. Made it so instead of upgrading the colonial status', we just upgraded the local services. And installed local governments, so they have minor self-governance.

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Postby Tabret » Sat May 18, 2013 12:25 am

Alleniana wrote:
Tabret wrote:
Well if we cant get their mainland, well take their colonies instead.

Which aren't defended by their army?
Not to mention, I don't think Spain has any major colonies, and Italy only has Libya which is very close to them. Correct me if I'm wrong.


No,they are defended, but there's a difference between attacking the mainland of a nation, where both the army and the population will resist against the invasion (Soviet Union example) and an attack on a colony of a nation, who's people care not whether their rulers win or lose.

Besides, what are Italian military stats in 1939?
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Postby Epraria » Sat May 18, 2013 12:33 am

Tabret wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Which aren't defended by their army?
Not to mention, I don't think Spain has any major colonies, and Italy only has Libya which is very close to them. Correct me if I'm wrong.


No,they are defended, but there's a difference between attacking the mainland of a nation, where both the army and the population will resist against the invasion (Soviet Union example) and an attack on a colony of a nation, who's people care not whether their rulers win or lose.

Besides, what are Italian military stats in 1939?

Quite large with more bark than bite at least in equipment and leadership.
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Postby Tabret » Sat May 18, 2013 12:38 am

Epraria wrote:
Tabret wrote:
No,they are defended, but there's a difference between attacking the mainland of a nation, where both the army and the population will resist against the invasion (Soviet Union example) and an attack on a colony of a nation, who's people care not whether their rulers win or lose.

Besides, what are Italian military stats in 1939?

Quite large with more bark than bite at least in equipment and leadership.


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWitalyA.htm

And I quote;

"The army had 72 divisions, mostly of unmechanized infantry. There were three armoured divisions but their tanks were of a poor quality. The infantry were poorly trained and were paid low wages."

That's unmechanized infantry and poor quality tanks and troops for you.

Historically, even though the Italians had 1 million men in Libya (!), they were easily defeated (Not entirely, but were kicked back and substantial gains in Libya made) by a British force of 36,000. This was due to the poor training the troops received as well as them not relying on mechanized infantry divisions. This, coupled with the fact that in the IC I ordered our 80,000-man force to undertake combined operations against the Italian force, gives me an overwhelming advantage.

And along with the encirclement strategy being adopted by British and Saudi troops near Benghazi, this will also serve to demoralize an already demoralized opponent, considering that their wages were very low at the time.

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Postby Epraria » Sat May 18, 2013 12:42 am

Tabret wrote:
Epraria wrote:Quite large with more bark than bite at least in equipment and leadership.


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWitalyA.htm

And I quote;

"The army had 72 divisions, mostly of unmechanized infantry. There were three armoured divisions but their tanks were of a poor quality. The infantry were poorly trained and were paid low wages."

That's unmechanized infantry and poor quality tanks and troops for you.

Historically, even though the Italians had 1 million men in Libya (!), they were easily defeated (Not entirely, but were kicked back and substantial gains in Libya made) by a British force of 36,000. This was due to the poor training the troops received as well as them not relying on mechanized infantry divisions. This, coupled with the fact that in the IC I ordered our 80,000-man force to undertake combined operations against the Italian force, gives me an overwhelming advantage.

And along with the encirclement strategy being adopted by British and Saudi troops near Benghazi, this will also serve to demoralize an already demoralized opponent, considering that their wages were very low at the time.

That is why I said they had more bark than bite.
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Postby Tabret » Sat May 18, 2013 12:43 am

Epraria wrote:
Tabret wrote:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWitalyA.htm

And I quote;

"The army had 72 divisions, mostly of unmechanized infantry. There were three armoured divisions but their tanks were of a poor quality. The infantry were poorly trained and were paid low wages."

That's unmechanized infantry and poor quality tanks and troops for you.

Historically, even though the Italians had 1 million men in Libya (!), they were easily defeated (Not entirely, but were kicked back and substantial gains in Libya made) by a British force of 36,000. This was due to the poor training the troops received as well as them not relying on mechanized infantry divisions. This, coupled with the fact that in the IC I ordered our 80,000-man force to undertake combined operations against the Italian force, gives me an overwhelming advantage.

And along with the encirclement strategy being adopted by British and Saudi troops near Benghazi, this will also serve to demoralize an already demoralized opponent, considering that their wages were very low at the time.

That is why I said they had more bark than bite.


Just made that post to provide official figures.

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Postby Epraria » Sat May 18, 2013 12:45 am

Tabret wrote:
Epraria wrote:That is why I said they had more bark than bite.


Just made that post to provide official figures.

Oh well can you find any numbers on the IJA.
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HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



I will not pay my taxes this year :p

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Lunas Legion
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Postby Lunas Legion » Sat May 18, 2013 2:10 am

Alleniana wrote:
Tabret wrote:
Well if we cant get their mainland, well take their colonies instead.

Which aren't defended by their army?
Not to mention, I don't think Spain has any major colonies, and Italy only has Libya which is very close to them. Correct me if I'm wrong.



Italy also has Italian East Africa- which would be easily taken by the Saudis. And Greece managed to fight Italy off IRL, so we should be able to here.
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Postby Alleniana » Sat May 18, 2013 2:17 am

Tabret wrote:
Epraria wrote:Quite large with more bark than bite at least in equipment and leadership.


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWitalyA.htm

And I quote;

"The army had 72 divisions, mostly of unmechanized infantry. There were three armoured divisions but their tanks were of a poor quality. The infantry were poorly trained and were paid low wages."

That's unmechanized infantry and poor quality tanks and troops for you.

Historically, even though the Italians had 1 million men in Libya (!), they were easily defeated (Not entirely, but were kicked back and substantial gains in Libya made) by a British force of 36,000. This was due to the poor training the troops received as well as them not relying on mechanized infantry divisions. This, coupled with the fact that in the IC I ordered our 80,000-man force to undertake combined operations against the Italian force, gives me an overwhelming advantage.

And along with the encirclement strategy being adopted by British and Saudi troops near Benghazi, this will also serve to demoralize an already demoralized opponent, considering that their wages were very low at the time.

They will still outnumber you at least 3:1.

Spain, please tell me EXACTLY who you have invaded. Keep in mind the time scale, and also the fact that you are not strong after a civil war.
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Postby Epraria » Sat May 18, 2013 2:25 am

Alleniana I own Hainan and I am not at war with china so no.
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HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



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Postby Epraria » Sat May 18, 2013 2:28 am

Alleniana wrote:
Epraria wrote:Alleniana I own Hainan and I am not at war with china so no.

Ok

And I should tell china and north china that I own bejing so they should get out of there.
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HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



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Postby Alleniana » Sat May 18, 2013 2:42 am

Epraria wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Ok

And I should tell china and north china that I own bejing so they should get out of there.

Yes. Unless the USSR wants to go to war with Japan, I advise they revise the post.

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Postby Epraria » Sat May 18, 2013 2:46 am

Alleniana wrote:
Epraria wrote:And I should tell china and north china that I own bejing so they should get out of there.

Yes. Unless the USSR wants to go to war with Japan, I advise they revise the post.

A war where my ground armies might get defeated but my navy would crush the red navies pacific fleet luckely he is not around bejing anymore.
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HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



I will not pay my taxes this year :p

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Postby Weltbeherrschung » Sat May 18, 2013 2:59 am

If you're Italy, you can change the direction in the middle of the fight or run away like headless chickens. It's an Italian super power.

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Postby Alleniana » Sat May 18, 2013 3:00 am

Weltbeherrschung wrote:If you're Italy, you can change the direction in the middle of the fight or run away like headless chickens. It's an Italian super power.

Or you could pull a Roman Empire, and conquer the known world.

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Postby Tabret » Sat May 18, 2013 3:10 am

Alleniana wrote:
Tabret wrote:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWitalyA.htm

And I quote;

"The army had 72 divisions, mostly of unmechanized infantry. There were three armoured divisions but their tanks were of a poor quality. The infantry were poorly trained and were paid low wages."

That's unmechanized infantry and poor quality tanks and troops for you.

Historically, even though the Italians had 1 million men in Libya (!), they were easily defeated (Not entirely, but were kicked back and substantial gains in Libya made) by a British force of 36,000. This was due to the poor training the troops received as well as them not relying on mechanized infantry divisions. This, coupled with the fact that in the IC I ordered our 80,000-man force to undertake combined operations against the Italian force, gives me an overwhelming advantage.

And along with the encirclement strategy being adopted by British and Saudi troops near Benghazi, this will also serve to demoralize an already demoralized opponent, considering that their wages were very low at the time.

They will still outnumber you at least 3:1.


Numbers matter not in modern warfare. It didn't matter when the British, with a force of 36,000, drove the 1-million man Italian army out of Egypt and even managed to take Italian territories in Libya, so I guess it would be far more easier for a force of 80,000 to do the same.

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Postby Alleniana » Sat May 18, 2013 4:02 am

Tabret wrote:
Alleniana wrote:They will still outnumber you at least 3:1.


Numbers matter not in modern warfare. It didn't matter when the British, with a force of 36,000, drove the 1-million man Italian army out of Egypt and even managed to take Italian territories in Libya, so I guess it would be far more easier for a force of 80,000 to do the same.

They were Australians and New Zealanders.
Erwin Rommel after North Africa wrote:Give me two Australian divisions and I will conquer the world

Freddie de Guingand after D-Day wrote:My God, I wish we had 9th Australian Division with us this morning.

John Terraine on the Anzacs wrote:the Australian divisions and the New Zealanders had become what they were to remain for the rest of the war - the spearhead of the British Army

Charles Hore, on being asked to surrender in South Africa wrote:I cannot surrender. I am in command of Australians who would cut my throat if I did.

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Postby Lunas Legion » Sat May 18, 2013 4:45 am

Alleniana wrote:
Weltbeherrschung wrote:If you're Italy, you can change the direction in the middle of the fight or run away like headless chickens. It's an Italian super power.

Or you could pull a Roman Empire, and conquer the known world.



He couldn't. The Romans were mostly facing foes who were divided, unorganised to their standards and were lucky.

The Italians have incompetent commanders, a enemy who has got at least the same organization and not much of a technological advantage. And the Italians, what are they even trying to do?
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Postby Mort the Lemur » Sat May 18, 2013 5:49 am

That Japanese were too suicidal, right? Was that the reason why Corrigedor lasted for far too long considering the amount of men poured into there?
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Postby The Vekta-Helghast Empire » Sat May 18, 2013 5:52 am

"Give me German officers, American equipment and Canadian soldiers and I will conquer for you the world?" - Best quote ever.

I've heard different versions of this, however that's the only one I could find in a short period of time.

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Postby Mort the Lemur » Sat May 18, 2013 5:53 am

The Vekta-Helghast Empire wrote:"Give me German officers, American equipment and Canadian soldiers and I will conquer for you the world?" - Best quote ever.

I've heard different versions of this, however that's the only one I could find in a short period of time.

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Postby Epraria » Sat May 18, 2013 5:56 am

Mort the Lemur wrote:That Japanese were too suicidal, right? Was that the reason why Corrigedor lasted for far too long considering the amount of men poured into there?

I am not trying the banzai approach here I'm am trying a more mechanized approach while trying to keep relations good with the US and USSR.
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Postby Mort the Lemur » Sat May 18, 2013 5:59 am

Epraria wrote:
Mort the Lemur wrote:That Japanese were too suicidal, right? Was that the reason why Corrigedor lasted for far too long considering the amount of men poured into there?

I am not trying the banzai approach here I'm am trying a more mechanized approach while trying to keep relations good with the US and USSR.

Good luck doing that in Indochina, the Philippines (well except for central luzon), East Indies...in other words good luck crossing mountains, jungles and forests.
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